Speight vs Peters: Final Spring Practice
I know this conversation will probably drag on for a while and it's still purely speculation at this point, so if you're already over it don't read any furter.
With that said, although I do still think Speight is probably #1 on the depth chart right now due to age, experience, and a number of quality games last year (with some bad ones too), based on what I've seen so far in the spring, and in particularl the last spring practice video, Peters looks way better than Speight.
Speight often threw to one WR without looking at other options. Speight often through into traffic or good coverage, rarely completed his passes, and did not use any head, eye, or ball fakes to decieve his intentions to the defense.
Peters on the other hand looked sharp, completed most of his passes, and found open recievers quickly. Caveots apply. I don't know who was playing defense on those recievers or even who most of the recievers were at the time other than the TEs that were easy to spot. And, it wasn't live so the QBs knew they weren't going to get hit. But, based on what I'm seeing this spring, Peters may be our guy next year unless there is a big swing in how these guys are performing in practice. I don't see Harbaugh as the kind of coach to just give it to Speight based on last year if he's being out-performed by Peters in practice.
For those who haven't seen the video, here's the link from Scout:
http://www.scout.com/college/michigan/story/1774977-watch-u-m-s-final-s…
Hot takes lean towards a few mintues of video.
and objectively which of his quarterbacks will do better in real games this fall. I trust him to do that. What's more important is how good he can make any of them compared to the quarterbacks on the teams we're competing against. People like to talk about his success with Ruddock (who was a fifth year guy and already a quality P5 starter), but they ignore his inability to make Morris and O'Korn into even marginally good backups, despite two years of working with them.
"and objectively which of his quarterbacks will do better in real games this fall. I trust him to do that. What's more important is how good he can make any of them compared to the quarterbacks on the teams we're competing against. People like to talk about his success with Ruddock (who was a fifth year guy and already a quality P5 starter), but they ignore his inability to make Morris and O'Korn into even marginally good backups, despite two years of working with them."
If Rudock were, indeed, a proven quality P5 starter, chances are slim Kerentz would have discared him. At minimum, he would have kept him around at QB no. 2. How do you do this? Not tell him which way you're going. Rudock had a 12-13 record as IA's qb before he lost the job to Freshman Beathard. That should tell you the size of the job he would have had trying to make Shane Morris or O'korn, who set his records at the same school Andre Ware set his. Why don't you just come clean and change your name to EL forever. You make very little sense with your posts.
LMAO LOL LMAO
Best comment of the month.
He was getting horrible protection from our Oline all night, but hung tough and helped get us back in a position to win the game.
A simple "wrong" would have done just fine.
I think we should just let it play out and not get too emotionally attached to any one particular personnel decision.
Take your reasonable ass elsewhere man, we're gonna hash this out in the comments
Good for you if it works for you, but Harbaugh is going to let it play out regardless of what you or "we" think, emotionally attached or not.
This is just a fan blog man, not a coaches' meeting.
I predict Peters to start, from what I've seenpersonally, which of course isn't much. No Speight hate by any means, guy did some things last year (and also...some things in the OSU game). Anyway, none of us truly know...there's a battle going, that's for sure.
Didn't you also predict O'Korn to start?
Speight looks like the same exact guy he was last year. He'll shred the teams he's supposed to shred, and he will struggle against good teams as well as defensive units that are able to pressure him often.
I think most of our fan base knows that the 2017 team is definitely not winning a title, so why not get Peters ready for 2018 and beyond? I mean if Speight is clearly better, there is no argument. If the competition is tight, I hope Harbaugh goes with Peters bc of his clear advantage in potential and important measurables.
Count me out of your "we can't win a title in 2017" club.
We have talent, we're improving. I think we are going to be better overall than last year, especially by the end of the year. A title is emminently possible.
Harbaugh will start the guy that he feels gives the team the best chance of that.
Go Blue!
We lost a ton of talent, but recruited very well - next man up. Also our OL may actually improve this year with the new coach, and that was an issue against good teams. Lastly, we have MSU and OSU at home. I'm optimistic about 2017.
April 30th, 2017 at 11:39 PM ^
I'm guessing Harbaugh had a hell of a time choosing his passing game coordinators when he had so many experts in the stands, most of whom would probably have worked for a meager 500K a year, thereby allowing him to choose a decent DC instead of an obvious struggling journeyman stuck at BC.
I'm thinking of Wisconsin, Iowa, OSU, FSU as the truly good teams we played. I viewed the playcalling as lack of confidence in Speight. They went very vanilla in those games which was why they were so tight and they lost 3 out of 4. I don't think it had much to do with Speight's lack of experience. It's the fact that he struggles to read defenses, has a weak arm, and tends to throw into coverage. I think Peters deserves a shot based on his spring performance. He will need to beat out Speight convincingly but not by "light years" whatever that is. He just needs to be better enough that the lack of game experience won't outweigh his quality of play.
He has a good attitude and is level headed. He could teach NFL quarterbacks how to stay cool and manuever in the pocket.
But someone needs to let Wilton know he's not at the pub with a pint of ale throwing darts! That biomechanically akward throwing motion doesn't leave much room for error.
Maybe Brandon Peters has the higher upside. Time will tell. JH and Pep will know what to do.
Pulling for Peters (hmmm...that doesn't sound right), because I felt after the OSU game it was on him. The thing is, I don't know how injured or limited he was, and it obviously wasn't just Speight who was culpable, but he gets the goat horns at QB. To me, Speight looked awkward out there, and it felt like when he missed, he really missed. I feel like Speight is just closer to his ceiling. The team, however, as someone else pointed out, seems to be behind Speight, so Peters would need to really be impressive to win them over.
Still pissed about the OSU interceptions, and still like watching Peters throw those passes that seem to have just the right touch during his recruitment, but I don't see Harbaugh tossing Speight aside after all the confidence building he's invested in the guy. (I'm leaving the Spring Game out of the conversation because it's hard to know how meaningful the game is with rosters shifting all game long, but Speight looked bad.) I'd be shocked as hell if Peters (or O'Korn) is named as the starter for the UF game. If Speight was injured during a game, I'd also be surprised if Peters got the nod over O'Korn.
I wonder who could throw a better ball after getting WASTED and drinking FOUR WHOLE Redd's Apple Ales?
That's how I'd determine the starting job. Give it to a real man.
This is a stupid argument to have this early. We're making broad judgements based on limited tape from one spring practice. Sure, Peters looks better than Speight. So does O'Korn. We know zero right now, and chances are we won't know who starts until Sep 2.
With all due respect, I think Speight starts. He's more experienced, tough, and cool. He did have some issues last year (atributed mostly to inury). I am concerned about the lack of sharpness early but all that has done is open the controversy door.
I thhink we will definitley see Peters play in case Speight is injured again this season. And if he continues to have issues as he is this spring, then maybe Peters gets the nod.
The player who gives you the best chance to win will play, as Speight did last season despite the shoulder injury.