August 24th, 2020 at 6:41 PM ^
Especially since it's usually the same OP posting it,and coming from Brett McMurphy via tweets.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:01 PM ^
If you would rather not know the CFB-relevant headlines, that's your call.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:25 PM ^
Yeah I do apologize crg, it's not the posts or you, it's the predictable responses of denial that always follow.
EDIT: See the Alabama thread that just absolutely went off the rails via goldfish brains.
August 24th, 2020 at 6:46 PM ^
Millionth reminder that cases are positive tests, not people infected with Covid. And that this is to be entirely expected. That's literally the entire point of the processes schools put into place. Anyone that didn't think this would happen wasn't thinking.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:03 PM ^
Vital question for you:
Are you stating specific info regarding infections vs positive tests in NC State's particular situation, or just your generalized opinion?
August 24th, 2020 at 7:39 PM ^
It's the generalized fact, not a fact specific to NC. It applies everywhere. Cases = positive tests, which are not the same thing as someone sick or what doctors would call infected. Especially relevant for a virus where up to 60% of positive tests are asymptomatic.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
Which doctors are you getting your medical advice from? Sparing some nuances that you seem to be working hard to exaggerate (for tests with specificity that approaches 100%, no less), "case," "positive test" and "infected person" are effectively interchangeable.
Correct me if you believe I'm misinterpreting your claim, but it appears you are trying to say that the number of infected people is smaller in magnitude than the case total. If that's what you were claiming, then you are peddling a falsehood.
On the contrary, if you ask a thousand experts, including the leaders of the CDC and NIH, you'll hear that the case totals significantly **under**estimate our population of infected americans, because we are still executing too few tests. When you start asking those thousand experts, it's up to you whether you want me to count. Either way, the answer won't change.
/your resident MGo medical doctor and MGo biochemist
August 24th, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^
This is precisely right. Thank you! The people parsing the definition of "cases" are akin to Trump saying "cases" are rising only because there's more testing. It's so intellectually (and medically) dishonest that it's offensive. No major health organization quantifies the way these willfully ignorant fools are doing so. They're just trying to play down numbers that clearly undermine their biases.
August 24th, 2020 at 10:19 PM ^
Yeah, the "Actually..." crowd who believes "it's only because we do so much testing" is aggressively wrong.
That's reductive. Here's a checklist of places to look to help us track the truth:
(1) Daily COVID-19 deaths. If surging cases were solely about "tremendous testing," this would hold steady at worst even when "cases caused by testing" rise.
(2) Daily COVID-19 hospitalizations. If surging cases were solely about "tremendous testing," this would not rise either.
(3) Daily hospitalizations. Last month: Our hospitals in Arizona, Florida, and Texas were sufficiently overwhelmed that -- for many counties -- zero ICU beds remained. Again: Extra testing didn't make this happen. The existence of added sick people did. Also note that this problem was unique to sun belt states, where cases were spiking most strongly, despite the fact that other states were executing comparable numbers of tests.
(4) Whether certain regions are suddenly exhausting their supply of ventilators and ECMO apparatuses. Again: this can not be a result of intensive testing.
(5) Of all the SARS-CoV-2 tests performed per day, the *percentage* that return positive. If, "Actually...", the pandemic had been getting better since "We won" in May and the case numbers were due solely to "tremendous testing," the test positivity rate would have held steady or even decreased through the summer. The reason we saw the opposite is because the opposite was true.
(6) You might also look at the ways in which the graphical representations for testing/day and cases/day vary. To be sure cases/day graph has been an undulating roller coaster since February. The tests/day curve looks like a consistent linear slope, by comparison. (After comparing those curves for the entire nation, a most illuminating example of this would be to compare those curves for New York, which has consistently increased its testing, despite its case totals consistently falling then plateauing and staying low.)
Of course, you knew that -- even without data. We all do. Tests don't cause the disease; they discover it. The opposite is irrational. And tests can't find a disease spike unless it's actually happening. So when cases spike, it's because things are out of control again and it's real. No one should brush it off; it's not a hoax. And remember: this is still ... the first wave.
Helpful references (both raw values and graphs):
For national and state numbers:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
For specialty metrics like R-naught, test positivity rates, and ICU availability by state:
https://covidactnow.org/?s=938188
For national testing numbers (click for "Full Range" to best illustrate how 3 graphs [for cases, deaths, and hospitalizations] resemble one another with two peaks from February to the end of July, whereas testing is one outlier, a continuous upslope over that time):
https://covidtracking.com/data?fbclid=IwAR1t-X1MLoF9naoQ460Y28SUxBL2WwQnr8S-B9EDAoxoGljNC7u-lAG3VjQ#chart-annotations
August 25th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^
What I was trying to say is that a "case" means simply that the person tests positive--not that they are sick. Those are two different things.
August 25th, 2020 at 9:29 AM ^
Doesn't matter if the person feels "sick" or not, they can still transmit it to others. Which, ya know, leads to increased outbreaks.
August 25th, 2020 at 2:49 PM ^
Distinctions in data and facts are important nonetheless. Who said asymptomatic ppl can't transit? No one. Meanwhile, the people transmitting are at almost zero risk themselves. That's important and no one anywhere is saying it. If people say their concern and reason for for closing athletics is the athletes, scientifically speaking, they are talking out of their ass.
Lastly, we have plenty of data out there that suggests that spread is not greatly increasing with school openings everywhere in the world, including countries that never closed schools even at the height of their case spikes. Staff at schools and colleges are at no greater risk for
Covid than essential workers at all the other places that are open, in fact their risk is lower than some of them. Students transmitting infections is NOT a reason to close schools or athletics, not for a virus where 995 of every 100 people that get it recover.
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/finnish_swedish_study_26jul.html
August 24th, 2020 at 6:53 PM ^
Whatever. Getting sick of posters hoping other programs shut down because the Big Ten bailed. Morally, you should these programs manage the crisis and give their students and players a chance.
The Big Ten is like a mom that refuses to send her kid to drivers ed because he might get into an accident.
August 24th, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
lol "morally"
Not sure what "morals" have to do with any of our opinions on this, and thus far no posters are hoping other programs shut down merely because the Big Ten did so.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:00 PM ^
I just found a little more substantial info on 3 additional Covid19 clusters being announced Monday afternoon at NC St, including one cluster within the athletic department.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article245190785.html
However, this particular article doesn't appear to contain information regarding NC St pausing athletic activities or any detailed info on # of cases, etc.
August 24th, 2020 at 7:58 PM ^
Yea, then rush the guys back into “game shape” and more injuries will happen...
August 24th, 2020 at 8:12 PM ^
University of Alabama just reported 531 new COVID-19 cases since classes began -- 3 days ago. And those are only the ones they've counted so far.
August 24th, 2020 at 8:18 PM ^
They have a tracing app though.
August 25th, 2020 at 12:32 PM ^
ACC/SEC's approach is like Sweden's strategy. I think they are after Herd-like immunity. Expect this pattern to continue into the fall and impacting some games as well. As long as players are not dropping dead, on goes the show.