Bracketology update: what gives

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Lunardi has us trending down now on his latest bracket, down to a 12 seed, despite not playing. Did sparty winning so ugly hurt us? Meanwhile, nova is trending UP after losing to USF. ..huh? MSU remains last 4 in (but now 4th last vs dead last) http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

wlubd

March 11th, 2011 at 9:39 AM ^

Yesterday wasn't a great day for us. The CUSA and Pac-10 are a mess, Colorado in all likelihood punched a ticket, Sparty and PSU won.

We aren't in yet. A loss today and a few more results like yesterday and we could be in real bad shape.

Moral of the story: BEAT THE FRIGGIN' ILLINI!!!

jtmc33

March 11th, 2011 at 10:11 AM ^

I agree.  Four 9-9 teams from 4th to 7th seed, with the 6th and 7th seeds getting an easy win to get to "10-9" in conference, meaning worst case they are 10-10 against a tough Big 10.

Loser of today's game is 9-10 in Big 10, essentially making them the 7th best team in the conference.

Statistically, UM's 4-2 record against the other 9-9 teams is not going to make up for the fact that a loss today makes them 9-10 in the Big 10 and the 7th best team.  I would assume the #7 team is destined for the NIT

Sparty beat Iowa and is now a lock (IMO); Penn St has work to do.  If we lose to Illini and Penn State beats Wisco we are 100% out.

 

JimLahey

March 11th, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^

We can't lose today. If we lose, to say we'd be on the bubble is an understatement. Success is our only motherf"ckin option, failures not.

michgoblue

March 11th, 2011 at 9:44 AM ^

Coming off of the MSU game, we were hot and our stock was on the rise.  At this time of year, when you have a long layoff, you are temporarily out of the conversation, and with so many teams out there to discuss, being out of the converasation can unfairly amount to being passed by teams that are "in" the conversation. 

If we beat the Illini, none of this matters, and we would almost 100% be in.  If we lose, however, things get very dicey.

Note to Michigan:  Please beat the Illini, ok?  I need something good in my sports rooting life these days. 

MKEblue

March 11th, 2011 at 9:56 AM ^

I understand that the inactivity puts us out of the conversation temporarily with the media (Lunardi) and stalls our momentum there, but does that really change how the committee will evaluate our resume? I really hope they're able to look outside of media trends and just evaluate the wins and losses.

That being said... I would sleep sooo much better with a win today.

Go Blue!

aiglick

March 11th, 2011 at 10:28 AM ^

I can't garuntee a Michigan victory mainly because Illinois is a talented team that is very inconsistent. You never know if they are going to play OSU close at their place or lose a game to UIC. The team will make us proud by trying hard and going after the win. There is nothing to be ashamed about if and when they try their best. I'm looking forward to what should be a great game.

TrppWlbrnID

March 11th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^

ironically, i think if UM had a winnable first round game instead of a bye that it would mean more to the bracketologist.  now, instead of another win and then a tough game against an evenly matched opponent, we just have a tough game.

the Bray

March 11th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^

Some of the jockeying can be attributed to just S-Curve procedures as well.  Your performance, or non-performance, may not mean you move down - but depending on other conference teams in your region or the host site - or opponenet, you may be moved up or down a line on the S-Curve to alleviate those matters. 

M2NASA

March 11th, 2011 at 9:57 AM ^

Nova should find themselves playing in a play-in game.  They've been terrible down the stretch - losses to Rutgers and USF included.

If M wins today, I'd think should be a solid 10-seed.

zlionsfan

March 11th, 2011 at 10:01 AM ^

so I don't think it's as bad as ESPN thinks ... Michigan is still in front of MSU and way ahead of Penn State, but it wouldn't hurt to have Purdue and Wisconsin win just in case.

A win locks a bid for certain, and a loss might not be bad depending on today's games. Once you get to the quarters of most tournaments, bubble teams start dropping off. That said, there's no need to find out how close to the bubble you can get and still be in. Drop the Illini so we can start talking about a possible 10 seed.

the Bray

March 11th, 2011 at 10:06 AM ^

Not to be too greedy, but I'd like to be in and be an 11 seed.  Unless, as a 10 seed the 2 seed is SDSU. 

Let's go crazy and assume a win in round 1, I'd rather play the 3 seed in round two than the 2 seed.  The 1's and 2's are really good this year and I think there's a noticeable dropoff to the 3's.  Except for SDSU.  I kind of want to play them no matter what the seeds are!

sULLY

March 11th, 2011 at 10:44 AM ^

Believe it or not, we should be rooting for PSU today.  According to Bubble Watch, they would need two more wins to get back into tourney conversation.  If they beat Wisconsin, their RPI will be sub-50 (it is currently exactly 50).  That is two more top-50 RPI wins on our resume.  Even if the win against Wisconsin moved them neck and neck with us, we have a season sweep against them.  Either way win today, but I'm rooting for PSU.

AAB

March 11th, 2011 at 10:46 AM ^

they'll have wins over Illinois, MSU, Minnesota twice and Wisconsin twice.  

I know their non-conference schedule is terrible, and I know they had some awful non-conference losses, but I don't want a team with those wins anywhere near the bubble.  

Bosch

March 11th, 2011 at 11:03 AM ^

precarious place to be, especially for a program with a poor national perception and without any signature victories on the year.  Does Michigan deserve to be in over some of the other teams predicted to make it?  There's certainly an argument for this, but not an overwhelming one. 

The bottom line is that Michigan must win today.  They are the higher seed.  Illinois is beatable.  Prove that they deserve to be in.  Otherwise, we are just arguing about why our barely deserving team is better than some other barely deserving team. 

cadmus2166

March 11th, 2011 at 10:59 AM ^

And a convincing win over the Illini to erase all doubt.  I think Jordan Morgan is the x-factor in this game, given the size of the Illini.  If he is able to stay out of foul trouble and contribute 10+ points, I think we'll be hard to beat.

Yinka Double Dare

March 11th, 2011 at 11:23 AM ^

He still has us in the "bye" group, the only change was Colorado leaping them.  Since the "last four in" play for 12 seeds (or potentially 11 seed if they have to do that to make the brackets work) we could be a 12 and still avoid those play-in games.  I really don't care if our guys get an 11 or 12 -- avoiding the play-in is what I care about, and a win today should pretty much wrap that up.  Lose, and we'll be hoping for one of those play-in games more than likely.

bronxblue

March 11th, 2011 at 11:53 AM ^

I've said this all along - Lunardi's bubble talk is frankly not that scientific, and tends to be based way more on moment-to-moment wins/losses/"bad wins"/"good losses" than the others seem to be.  UM is going to be squarely on the bubble until they beat Illinois, and who knows what happens even if they do.  Getting worked up over "Joey Brackets"' picks (I hate you Linda Cohn) today doesn't seem worth the effort.

seniorbearcat

March 11th, 2011 at 12:23 PM ^

I think the NCAA "Dance Card" is the best out there (they got 33/34 last year and 32/34 in 09)...here it is as of today. Win today we are in, lose we are out...pretty simple. 

 

46. USC

47. FSU

48. MSU

49. UM

50. CSU

BUBBLE BURSTS HERE

51. VCU

52. Oak

53. Va Tech

54.  BC

55. PSU