This Board Would Have Fired Dabo After Year 4

Submitted by Bluenin on January 1st, 2020 at 11:20 PM

We definitely need to follow the Nebraska model and blow up everything and restart every 3 to 4 years!  Works great!  And coaching searches always result in everyone’s dream hire!!

TheCube

January 1st, 2020 at 11:50 PM ^

How is it on point? Dabo won the ACC in year 4. So no, Michigan would not have fired him contrary to dumbass OP here. 
 

Harbaugh is going on year 6. Bill Snyder even won the B12 by year 4 in his second stint at KSU. 90% of coaches who don’t get it done by year 4 probably won’t. Snyder in his first stint at KSU is the only exception I can think of. 

Bluenin

January 1st, 2020 at 11:27 PM ^

Wow MATT RHULE is really coaching amazingly tonight!!  Lol!!!  Let’s get on that Gary Patterson train too, I remember that from a couple years ago!!  Oh yeah The Longhorns hired a can’t miss coach too, guess they missed?

L'Carpetron Do…

January 1st, 2020 at 11:39 PM ^

I'm getting frustrating and impatient with Harbaugh but I think the only thing Michigan can do is keep him and hope he pulls out of this bizarre pattern he has Michigan in these days. 

Earlier this season Matt Campbell and Mike Leach were mentioned on this board as coaching candidates Michigan should pursue. Look how they turned out. And of course there's always Urban. If M hired him I'd be legitimately worried he'd purposely throw the game against Ohio State every year; he would be a mole at the top of the Circus. 

FrozeMangoes

January 1st, 2020 at 11:42 PM ^

I know, right.... LSU will never get over losing Les Miles.  Georgia is still regretting letting go of Richt.  Who is Lincoln Riley? He will never be half the coach Stoops was, they'll be begging Bob to come back when they can't win the Big 12 anymore. OSU will take a huge step down. 

Acting like a coaching search has to end in a bad hire is illogical.  There are good hires and bad hires but using that defense to defend a coach, instead of using his own record, says a lot. 

 

b618

January 2nd, 2020 at 4:13 AM ^

Your problem is not knowing about probability.

For example, many people will tell you "don't buy lottery tickets -- they are a tax on stupid people".  There are other people who reply, "But Bob Smith won $100 million!!!!!!!!"

You are assuming highly unlikely things (like getting a Lincoln Riley) will happen instead of the highly likely things (like what happened to Florida State, Texas, Miami, Tennessee, Arkansas, USC, Nebraska, Miss. State, etc.).  [Edit: also, to be fair, I'm not sure Oklahoma would get into the CFP as much if it played in the Big 10 East.]

You are also ignoring the probability that Harbaugh is actually good, that a lot of the outcome of football is stochastic (i.e., "luck"), and that he will still get the program to be a top-5 team in more time -- like how it took Dabo a long time to get Clemson to CFP level.

manhattan wolverine

January 1st, 2020 at 11:36 PM ^

Dabo won a conference championship in his 3rd full season, and by his 4th he had a conference title, another division title and gone 11-2 with multiple bowl wins.

Dudes on this board will say anything to deny that Harbaugh was a disappointment this season. 

bsand2053

January 2nd, 2020 at 12:13 AM ^

Clemson also offered Rashan about 200k to play there.  One of the schools recruiting Devin Gardner had two women waiting in bed for him.  An anonymous athlete told Bacon that on a recruiting visit he was set up with a girl who they later revealed to be underage, in order to extort him into playing for that school.  Dabo plays by different rules, as do Smart and Saban.

I would be somewhat surprised if none on Michigan’s 85 scholarship players and however many committed recruits haven’t gotten a visit from Mr. Bagman.   But we don’t operate like those schools do, systemically and with the approval of the head coach.  Hell, when a former player sold his shoes online they did a fucking “shoe audit”, which I did not know was a thing, of all the current players.  And that’s a good thing.

manhattan wolverine

January 2nd, 2020 at 10:07 AM ^

You're right. These schools cheat and do shady stuff to recruit. This has nothing to do with on-field execution. Stuff like botched punts, poor clock management, and bad playcalling. All these things are very fixable. I understand, mistakes happen during the game but the same flaws plague us every season. 

Harbaugh has done a great job in turning around the program. And he's recruited well. Execute better on the field and he's looking at consistent 11 win seasons. 

The Blue Collar

January 1st, 2020 at 11:37 PM ^

I'm not a Harbaugh is the worst ever and should be fired, or a Harbaugh is a savoir guy (the kind that uses caps lock and exclamation points), I find both tiresome. But Dabo won his conference in his 2nd season (his first full year) and 4th and 5th seasons, winning the bowl 2 of those years. Also starting after his second full season he has never won less than 10 games. Nobody is going to fire someone with those results. JH does not have those results. 

ColeIsCorky

January 2nd, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^

Not saying that I don't agree with you, but Clemson's rise also has a lot to do with Florida State's fall. Michigan's biggest problem has to do with Ohio St.'s dominance and elite performance. LSU also has an Alabama problem. LSU fans have been looking to get rid of their coach until all of a sudden Joe Burrows took them to the promise land. 

Harbaugh had two very narrow opportunities to win the Big 10 that unfortunately went the wrong way. It is amazing to think of how much higher perception Jim would have if JT would have been ruled short (or if the refs would have ruled the game even close to even) or if John O'Korn could have been replaced by a half competent QB. 

When Jim had his best opportunities, luck was not on his side. Those wins would have done wonders for both his reputation and the success of the program. I still wouldn't have seen it hurt OSU much, however, and I am afraid Michigan won't rise much under Harbaugh until OSU's own success starts diminishing.

And in an era where guys deciding not to play in the bowl games, I don't think we can use "bowl records" as much evidence against a coach. It didn't hurt us in the Alabama game, but the year prior without a doubt. This is going to be consistent from here on out most likely.

Carter the Darter

January 1st, 2020 at 11:39 PM ^

Bad take.  Clemson was not ending each year with bowl game losses.  After year 3 hey had seasons like Michigan’s in 2015 then got clicking. 

HighBeta

January 1st, 2020 at 11:40 PM ^

Uh-oh, a rational, adult opinion. Nice sarcastic touch, too. This is not going to be received well by a subset of posters. Ah well, let's see how this plays out ...

Muttley

January 1st, 2020 at 11:41 PM ^

...and would hire Rich Rod again after he went 11-1 winning the Sugar over #8 Georgia, 11-2 winning the Gator over #25 GaTech, and 11-2 with his team beating #3 Oklahoma (that surely wasn't a testament to Bill Stewart's coaching prowess).

Just wait until he gets Michigan resources instead of West Virginia resources.

Carter the Darter

January 1st, 2020 at 11:43 PM ^

Isn’t there a coach who’d come here after demonstrating sustained championship level success, even if it’s at the D2 or D3 level?

Bluenin

January 1st, 2020 at 11:49 PM ^

Remember all the top coaches knocking down the door to get in here after Lloyd retired and after they fired Rich Rod???  Man what a list!  Imagine the line of coaches there will be after we fire one of our greatest players in Michigan history and the coach that wins 9-10 games a season!!  Boy there will just be a tremendous list to choose from!