OT: Zumaya Injured
KRAMER: Jerry, do you think people will be able to breathe underwater in the year 2000?
JERRY: (Pauses) Some of us....
article?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/07/01/lincecum0707/
Tim Lincecum is my favorite non-tiger MLB player because of his ability to generate velocity at a diminutive size. His mechanics, IMO, is close to being perfect which is why he consistently throws 95 plus MPH fastball.
Zumaya, on the other hand, throws with terrible mechanics and really needs to work on defining his mechanics, otherwise, you are going to develop arm problems down the road which is part of the reason why his arm exploded on him. The biggest problem that I've seen from Zumaya is he open up his upper body too soon which cause him to throw all arm instead of using his whole body. It's amazing on how much velocity he can generate by only using his arm.
If Zumaya needs Tommy John surgery, does that mean he potentially could come back throwing 105 mph instead of just 103 mph?
Seriously though, hope he's okay.
Maybe it'll be like in Rookie of the Year. That'd be cool. But I'm not holding my breath. I've long had this awful feeling that Zumaya will be like the Bird - the kind of guy we'll be telling our grandkids about in these "no really, he was awesome" tones as they figure either we're full of it or it hardly matters cause nothing ever came of it.
talking tommy john already on the postgame
speculation, of course, so as to not offend those who think titles on this board are gospel
With that kind of pain, the kind of pain that knocks a big man off his feet, you have to think either a bone broke catastrophically and suddenly, or some ligament or tendon went SPROING and thwacked his ulnar nerve or something along those lines (I believe ulnar nerve would likely explain both the severe pain and the shaking/twitching hand). Or, god forbid, both. Brutal, hope it's not as serious as the reaction made it look, you hate to see this happen to anyone. And definitely hoping that there's no nerve damage -- that can mess with the guy's life after baseball.
(Yes, "sproing" and "thwacked" are the technical medical terms. I learned them at the ACME School of Medicine from Professor Friz Freleng.)
when i saw him go down i felt like i was gonna collapse, i hope it is better than it looks because it looked BAD!
I haven't seen the game and I want to see how it happened.
...where Zumaya had 62 appearances in his rookie year. That's a little on the high side for a young pitcher. Lots of use early in a pitcher's career can ruin his arm for the majority of it.
I love you Zumaya! I don't care if you never make it back, I will never forget what you brought to our team. And if you do make it back again, I can't wait to watch you waste ppl with a 102 mph fastball.
Kind of strange that the posters who are taking a wait-and-see approach are getting negbanged and the Chicken Littles are getting upvoted. It certainly looked bad, but we haven't gotten any medical update yet.
Anyone have a link to a clip? Maybe the doctors in the audience could take a look.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300628109
There's a clip. It's small, so it doesn't look like an unusual throw to me at all. But, uh, it's ESPN, so it won't get taken down by MLB.
tear a tendon clear in two or something, he could easily make it back in a year +. He's definitely done for this year, UNLESS that was just like the worst nerve stinger of all time, but Zoom hasn't had much in the way of elbow injuries (it's been shoulder and finger/hand a lot) one elbow injury isn't going to finish his career.
Personally, I'm hoping for a broken bone. 6/8 weeks to heal up and a winter of solid rehab and he should be fine.
Amazing that this guy seems to have one major injury after another. Yet they are all unique and different everytime. I think when he comes back he is going to have to "reign it in" possibly and become more of a mid 90's pitcher and work on his off speed stuff. I really think his motion and torque he puts his arm through are just too violent to sustain a long healthy career. Just my opinion. This really made me sad watching this b/c of what he's gone through already.
Joel Zumaya threw
a pitch. But he got injured
after the release.
I bet he's done for the year and into next year.
The catcher said he could hear the arm "pop." Jeez.
Of course, as others have noted, that's better than the resounding *CRACK!* that accompanied Tom Browning's and Dave Dravecky's final pitches. Remember the scene in Terminator II where the new Terminator gets frozen by the liquid nitrogen and Schwarzenegger shoots him and he explodes into a million pieces?
Browning and Dravecky looked EXACTLY like that when their arms broke.
The only thing worse was Napolean McCallum's knee injury.
I had heard of that, but never watched it. Now I looked it up. Thank you for making me watch a man's leg all but get torn off his body. And here I thought Tyrone Protho's ankle was bad (and it was). I was glad to read that he was mostly able to fully recover from that and is actually a pretty good golfer these days.
Not arguing, but simply adding to the story...
Browning had a bit of a comeback with the Kansas City Royals a year or two later. I think he pitched a couple games and then called it quits. So that didn't exactly end his career, although it would be terrifying to think that, "Hey, on this pitch, my arm might break again." That would be a very difficult issue to overcome.
"Zumaya done?" would be a much better thread title, FYI.
We don't know what's wrong with Zoom yet, but he's currently been put on the 15-Day DL, and Fien is called up.
I would think if it were definitely a season/career ender, it'd be obvious pretty quickly. The move to 15 Day DL is... somewhat promising. Back by the ALCS?
...all started with overplaying a stupid video game.
Thank you for making me watch a man's leg all but get torn off his body.
Tim Krumrie's is pretty bad. Theisman, of course, is pretty bad.
I saw a running back get tackled along the sideline once and nearly lose his leg. Four Clemson defenders fell on him. It didn't look gruesome at all. When he stayed down, I thought maybe he'd been knocked out.
It turned out that not only did the hit tear all of the ligaments and tendons, it also damaged the blood vessels and the leg nearly turned necrotic. When they got him to the hospital, they were talking about whether or not they'd have to amputate.
Needless to say, the guy's football career was over....but he managed to keep the leg and can walk without a limp.
I shudder even thinking about it again.