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Brian

A note if you think you may have already read this post. You did. Your brain shut down because of the following section and won't let you remember it out of self defense. You should probably go read the Economist or something and come back later this afternoon.

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what does any of this even mean [Bryan Fuller]

The nonsense doesn't stop. Ace covered much of this yesterday but since it just keeps coming, let's talk about satellite camps some more. Dennis Dodd wrote an article that was so nonsensical he took his twitter account private. In it he decries the hypocrisy of… I have no idea?

It's the reaction to closing that little loophole that smacks of hypocrisy. With satellite camps shutting down, the conversation suddenly became about depriving poor kids of opportunities.

This is in contrast to the conversation being about Harbaugh, I guess. This is because before Harbaugh was doing things, and now the NCAA is doing things. Thus the conversation shifts.

Proponents argued satellite camps provided “exposure.” I'm sorry, did that Internet that Harbaugh so expertly hijacked suddenly go down? Phone service, too?

This segues into a discussion of this new "Hudl" thing Dennis Dodd just discovered, which is so detailed that it even has… phone numbers. Therefore because Hudl there is no reason to have a camp. I'm not fisking this. This is not a fisk. I'm not

Here's the further hypocrisy: If satellite camps are truly about opportunities for recruits, it's about time to double down on that assertion.

Um, okay, and how would you do th

How about providing those same opportunities on the back end? Let college players participate in the NFL Combine without penalty. If they don't like their performance or draft projection, allow them to return to college and retain their eligibility.

AAAAAARGH WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING

THIS IS NOT A FISK

That jarring nonsequitur probably shut down many readers' brains and… just a second. Okay, I've prevented an infinite loop with the section at the top of this post. Anyway, in response to a satellite camp ban affecting high schoolers, Dennis Dodd suggests that the NCAA should loosen its rules for an entirely different cohort of people. He talks about the "hypocrisy" of people who don't like the ban without even gesturing towards a way in which their words and actions might conflict, and finally:

The whole satellite camp episode was a lot more about closing off Harbaugh than opening opportunities for all those deprived prospects.

This is 100% wrong. The clumsy total ban of satellite camps does significantly impact staffs and players around the country, leading to more unfortunate situations where a kid gets midway through his career only to discover that he's in the wrong place.

Gah. I'm going to do something more productive and argue with my plants.

Harbaugh don't stop can't stop. Dude is giving the commencement speech at Paramus. All I got for Michigan's commencement was some poet laureate.

There is a petition. While online petitions are of questionable efficacy, a big number on this one in what is essentially a PR battle might help something. Also it was started by Donovan Peoples-Jones's mother, which is interesting. We've heard a lot from current college athletes upset about the ban, but not so much from recruits. Even if this is indirect evidence it is evidence.

Mike Leach has no time for lyin'. Mike Leach is a gentleman and a pirate.

“The voting process, that’s a rabbled-up mystery too,” Leach said. “From what I understand, this is befuddling, and I do plan to find out because our conference voted to eliminate satellite camps, and yet the vast majority of schools in our conference were in favor of satellite camps.

“I can’t fathom how it’s possible we voted to eliminate it. I don’t know the details. Whether it’s smart, dumb or in the middle, it’s wrong. It’s wrong. If you’re some kid in south central LA who’s really worked hard at football and worked really hard for your grades, now all of a sudden you don’t have the opportunity to see as many schools as you would otherwise. That’s crazy.”

Leach said the vote will “further oppress low-income families.”

To be fair, the rule change was two sentences long. Hugh Freeze, he of the "you can't work because I don't want to work" quote, is also surprised about how words work in an Andy Staples article:

Monday morning, Freeze’s phone rang. On the other end was a coach wondering if he was no longer allowed to work the Ole Miss camp. The coach worked at an FBS school, and Freeze realized that coach would be banned by a rule passed Friday. … Freeze realized quickly that the ban had a serious consequence he hadn’t considered. In keeping Michigan coaches from working camps at high schools in Alabama, Florida and Georgia and Oklahoma State coaches from working camps at a Division III school in Texas, the schools also had banned Bowling Green coaches from working Ohio State’s camp and Arkansas State coaches from working the Ole Miss camp.

Freeze is clarifying his position into something even more selfish: you can work as long as you aren't competing with me.

“I would love to continue that,” Freeze said Monday. “I just don’t want satellite camps for the Power Five. I am for non-Power Five schools being able to attend and evaluate.”

This is so dumb it reminds me of the way college hockey works. We have a rule that 1) all athletes hate, 2) most of the Pac-12 hates despite the fact that they voted for this, 3) even people in support of it don't understand, and 4) turned the Sun Belt Commissioner into Perd Hapley. Staples again:

I’ve told you for a year that the satellite camp argument was one of the stupidest in the long and storied history of stupid NCAA rule arguments. It came to the stupidest logical conclusion Friday when a vote that should have been 11–4—because each Power Five conference vote counts double—against the ban came out 10–5 in favor of the ban.

Hugh Freeze's only asset as a coach is that he turns a blind eye to the most obvious bagmen in the country, and he will eventually be found out.

Yet another dumb thing. All other levels of football think satellite camps are fine. From an article on the impact to SMSB:

Despite the camp being held in Detroit, schools like Michigan, Michigan State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan and Eastern Michigan programs will not have the opportunity to scout and interact with potential recruits in what could be considered each program's own backyard. However, Football Champions Subdivision, Division II and other coaches will still be able to be in attendance.

This really is a rule that some selfish coaches voted into existence because they didn't want to be jackhammers.

The great Hackenberg debate of 2016 is not much of a debate. PFF posted a draft evaluation of Christian Hackenberg, presumably because they don't have a draftable grade for him and people keep asking them about it. They explained themselves. Witheringly so:

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

This goes on and on for paragraphs, each piling more problems on Hackenberg as an NFL quarterback. While it is by no means a nice evaluation it is backed by a ton of numbers and game charting and more or less confirms what any neutral observer saw out of Hackenberg over the course of his career: brief moments of being John Elway amongst a sea of turfed screens and airmailed out routes. Michigan got a taste of that last year when Hackenberg put together a couple of pinpoint, NFL throws on a day where his other accomplishments were seeing Jabrill Peppers misplay a jump ball and piloting an offense that barely cracked 200 yards.

The PFF evaluation seemed pretty definitive to me, but Penn State folk kind of lost their minds about it. Black Shoe Diaries in particular:

At what point do I, as a Penn State alumnus and fan, step back and try to be even more subjective about the NFL draft stock of Christian Hackenberg?

Did you mean "objective"? Because it feels like you meant "objective," but then the rest of your piece makes me think that you actually meant "subjective" since it's all hand-waving at some pretty eye-popping stats. PSU fans seize on one error—the Allen Robinson catch at the end of regulation against M a couple years back is held up as a example of a bad decision without taking the game context into account—to dismiss the whole thing when it contains startling facts like "16% of Hackenberg screens are off target."

While I don't know exactly how PFF goes about their business, my grades and theirs for Michigan players generally line up*, and charting pass accuracy is probably the easiest thing I do. An outfit like PFF isn't going to be so far off with the above numbers that Hackenberg actually looks good. By a few hundred words into the piece it's clear that the dude is just swinging in the dark, and this…

Lack of Upside

lol, okay

…is waving a tiny punt flag in the face of a guy who actually put in the work. At least it led to one of the most entertainingly one-sided twitter fights in recent memory:

This was said in response to a piece that dealt with every Christian Hackenberg throw over the past two years. He might get drafted but only because there are mugwumps running NFL teams. Hi, Jed York!

*[To the point that when they were pumping up the Michigan D and noted that only one major contributor wasn't grading out very positive I knew exactly who that was because I also had one major contributor not grading out very positive.]

Etc.: Basketball ticket sales not going well. Man hired to do job. Man has job, doesn't do it, and everyone thinks that's fine. Jimmy Vesey won the Hobey because the saps who vote for the thing bought his PR story about why he returned to college. Why does that even matter? I don't know, but it does.

Comments

Space Coyote

April 12th, 2016 at 2:03 PM ^

Yes, he has upside in the sense that he has a phenomenal pure arm. But you stick Shane Morris in a PSU uniform and you're essentially looking at the same player. As some point, pure arm doesn't allow you to meet said upside. At some point, you are what you've shown yourself to be.

I do think Hack was hurt by his horrendous OL, an OL two years ago that was worse than the 2013 Michigan OL, and one in 2014 that lost it's best player and essentially had a turnstile at LT. But that happened to him, much like it happened to Gardner. It's unfortunate for Hack that it did, it very likely results in him never reaching the upside he once showed. But there is a reason he isn't accurate even on screens, even when not pressured, even during all those other instances, it's because he feels relentless pressure endlessly and it's in his head now that he will feel that pressure and that has left him a shell of his former upside.

NFL scouts will look at some of his incredible throws, and of them there are quite a few. It's just that there are more terrible throws. It will take at least five years to coach out the last two, and NFL teams aren't waiting around for 27 year old Hackenberg to finally start to return on his promise. They'll move onto the next thing like they so quickly do.

Space Coyote

April 12th, 2016 at 2:12 PM ^

It happened probably on a more consistent level. It also happened when a kid was younger in his development. He didn't have the proper development (except for high school) to leave him with a floor (technically speaking). He didn't learn the right way and then get put in a situation that caused him to start to mess up. Outside of his freshman year, when everything was likely a blur for him anyway, he never had an opportunity to learn the right way.

So preparing him for the NFL, which is a huge leap for any college QB, means taking him from a level below most college QBs to where he needs to be to have NFL success. It sucks, because he does have a great pure arm. But from a mental and technical standpoint, he has a ton of bad habits and hurdles to jump before he could succeed.

bronxblue

April 12th, 2016 at 3:36 PM ^

Yeah, that was general sense. You could see him get worse as the years went on, as whatever coaching he was getting clearly easnt adequate. I assume he'll be drafted as a late-round flyer and then see if he makes it through camp. I could see him playing in the CFL or something, may be fixing some mechanical issues, and getting into the league later on as a veteran. Unless he really is a good learner but Franklin is just terrible.

pescadero

April 12th, 2016 at 4:06 PM ^

Yes, he has upside in the sense that he has a phenomenal pure arm. But you stick Shane Morris in a PSU uniform and you're essentially looking at the same player.

 

I'm no Hackenberg fan... but, just no.

 

Hackenberg's worst year is:

55.8% completion percentage

12TD/15INT

109.4 QB rating

 

Morris for his career:

49.4% completion percentage

0TD/5INT

75.5 Qb rating

Space Coyote

April 12th, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^

"Um, okay, and how would you do th

How about providing those same opportunities on the back end? Let college players participate in the NFL Combine without penalty. If they don't like their performance or draft projection, allow them to return to college and retain their eligibility.

AAAAAARGH WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING"

Because most people in favor of camps, and most people with player's interests in mind, are thinking "yeah, that would probably be an appropriate thing to do."

Space Coyote

April 12th, 2016 at 2:29 PM ^

The NCAA is wrong on both issues. Dodd is bringing that up like he's proving those that are in favor of satellite camps are being hypocrites. But most in favor of these camps would also be in favor of what he's proposing. He therefore isn't making a point at all, he's just throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

Dodd: "If you think these camps should be allowed, then you also must feel that players can get a spread for their bagels!"

Me: "Why yes, yes I do."

Dodd: "Hypocrite!"

Yinka Double Dare

April 12th, 2016 at 4:46 PM ^

It's a non sequitur and would be a good thing. The reason they don't allow it now is presumably because it would be basically impossible to figure out how many guys you could bring in in a recruiting class if you had guys who could go to the combine and then come back with signing day where it is.

However, you could easily allow it if you changed the scholarship cap to a certain number given out per year rather than the 85 overall limit, since someone exploring their options wouldn't change the number you could sign. 

umichfutball

April 12th, 2016 at 2:13 PM ^

Not surprised with the student basketball tickets. Currently priced too high and the system can be confusing(the whole claim period garbage). These kids may look after the fact and go "I only claimed 5 games the entire year. I can't justify that being worth $200".



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Maizen

April 12th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^

The tiny thing they call the maize rage which seats about 500 students while everyone else gets seated in the upper deck isn't helping matters. People show up at hockey and softball and football (even if late) games as much for the atmosphere as they do the actual team.

Until Michigan gets serious about its student section at Crisler they will continue to have this problem. Would also help if Beilein doesn't have years like the last two.

bronxblue

April 12th, 2016 at 3:07 PM ^

It takes a big man with strong convictions to make his twitter account private while publishing "hot taeks" on major sports sites.

But yeah, this is going to be one of those decisions that the NCAA will walk back quickly from, maybe as early as Apirl 28th.  The SEC bitches but they'll survive, and right now you have too many people pointing fingers for it to be worth the hassle.

Mr Miggle

April 12th, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^

is the only reasonable thing Dodd has done that I've heard about. His article and his use of a business Twitter account show a stunning lack of common sense. It's fitting that his Twitter indiscretions were only exposed because he wrote such a stupid article.

BayWolves

April 12th, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^

Leave it to these fucks and Sooner or later you can only go to school in Michigan if you are from Michigan. One of the NCAA's worst decisions on their pathetic history.



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Ron Utah

April 12th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^

It is fitting that the NCAA is making such a stupid, self-defeating rule right around tax day.   So many posters have discussed ways to fix the NCAA, but at this point, it's hopelessly corrupt and complex, and needs to be discarded...just like our 77,000 page tax code.

As with the IRS, the control is not in favor of the constituents, but rather those with the pockets deep enough to push through any ludicurous changes that will benefit them.  This is why GE and Apple pay no tax but small business owners (who employ the vast majority of workers) are paying upwards of 50% in some cases.  It's why the wealthiest individuals have some of the lowest effective tax rates and middle class gets crushed.  And it's why Nick Saban and Hugh Freeze get their way when their only reason is "I really don't want to work that hard."

What I mean by this whole analogy is that I'm afraid the NCAA--like the IRS--is past the point of no return and needs to be scrapped now rather than reformed.  Recruiting rules, student-athlete compensation, satellite camps...the NCAA has almost no rules in favor of the group it purports to protect and does a laughable job of enforcing the few that just might do some good.  There is too much corruption and too much complexity--the purpose and focus of the organization have been completely lost and replaced with the self-interest of a few mega-star coaches.

 

csmhowitzer

April 14th, 2016 at 7:00 AM ^

That was a really good Baumgardner piece about Delany being passive. His comments were passive and sounded more like he personally was in agreement with the SEC and thought this was simply a fight for a recruiting advantage. 

Also, how the hell did Vesey win the Hobey Baker? Did something happen in the last week that I didn't see? I was really certain Connor had that locked in. I read the SB article and idk my maize and blue shaded glasses still show Connor having a better season.