Muggles (from a players perspective)

Submitted by MrSmith on

I had read about some people being upset that athletes use the term muggles and I wanted to clear it up that we (or at least the players I know) do not do it to be mean or cause divisions.

I dont know who came up with it but we thought it was funny because we all you the fans and us the players represent all the same colors and we are all on the same team but just different people.  We all bleed blue so we never thought it might hurt peoples feelings because I love Harry Potter I even went to the theme park back home thats how much I love it.  Muggles are not even the bad word in Harry Potter but I dont want that to excuse it if there is confusion.

We are not trying to seperate ourselves or be superior its a lot of stress and long hours and jokes get us through.

 

jmdblue

November 5th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

and there seems to be large agreement... I have no problem with the use of  "muggles" or "civilians".  The problem occurs when an athlete or former athlete questions a "muggle's" right to have an opinion on the athletic department.  I know the gameday experience has diminished under Dave Brandon.  I don't need to be a college athlete to have an opinion on that.

That said, I'm also offended when fans pull the "but we pay the bills" card on college athletes (I've seen this several times here on teh board").  That flies for the pros, but not unpaid college athletes.

Huntington Wolverine

November 5th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

It's a bit disingenuous to treat this as "Mealer doesn't respect fans' opinions and questions their right to have one" - Mealer was upset that a fan opinion (held by many fans), which he disagrees with, carried more weight than the opinion of those in the athletic department (coaches, staff, players). That said, as a Muggle, I still think that firing DB was the right decision after the e-mails were confirmed.

Absolutely agree on the BS of "we paid for it" but don't treat us like customers hypocrisy.

Papochronopolis

November 5th, 2014 at 9:45 AM ^

I think one thing that did upset people with some former players' comments is that sport is important for this University, but it's not everything. There are students and alumni who work just as hard as the SAs to further the sciences, arts, Michigan community, etc. and it's hard to argue that their contributions are any less than yours. I admire your commitment to the University and thank you for that. I think it's important however to keep in mind that we are in this together and 99.99% of us will not be professional athletes or big donors, but can still have a positive impact on the university, muggle or not.

Bodogblog

November 5th, 2014 at 9:56 AM ^

No one ever questioned any of that, you were all just running around still butt-hurt from a losing season (and a rough 6 of 7 years for Michigan fans) that you wanted tear up anyone opposing the mgomob.

But the actual comparison would be this: athletes are to the AD as science students are to the Dean of the Science (pick your discipline of choice) School.  Athletes have vented some frustration saying they might have a little more inside knowledge of the AD than students (or fans) that aren't athletes.  Sounds reasonable to me.  What if the Dean of the engineering school had some real issues, but the students all loved him, and the athletes and and media joined together to have him kicked out?  They may have been doing the right thing, but I wouldn't have any problem with the engineering students lodging a complaint or two.  I certainly wouldn't have lost my shit like 80% of the posters on this board.

Bodogblog

November 5th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^

I see your argument but I don't agree.  It goes back to what value each individual places on which thing.  It's possible in an alternate universe people are more concerned with Engineering than football, because that's what is educating the future leaders (in that discipline) in the state of Michigan. 

In any case I don't think the distinction is important - this is an obvious thing and shouldn't be dimissed due to minutiae.   The feelings of the people are what led to the statements made, and those would be similar in each scenario.  This is the equivalency that matters.

MrSmith

November 5th, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^

Thats whats up.  I take my stocking cap off to that.  I loved playing football and everyone at U of M, the doctors the scientist the english teachers the engineers and the students that sing in plays it is all of us and that is why I came to Michigan.  It is a family even so we are all different.

MGoManBall

November 5th, 2014 at 9:43 AM ^

Thanks Mr. Smith. I appreciate you stopping by and dropping a word about this. I know it's gotten a lot of fans riled up. 

But does that mean football players play Quidditch on their free time?

DesHow21

November 5th, 2014 at 9:52 AM ^

but here is the reason I (and lot of other fans) are still upset. In one word "context". 

 

If Mealer comes out and says "We love them crazy muggles in the stands. They rock." nobody would take that in a wrong way. Instead he used in the context of calling a whole bunch of people ignorant. Do you see why things went south rather quickly? 

 

Now contrast this to what the Seattle Seahawks do...they call their fans the "12th man". That is how you embrace the fans and make everyone feel ONE. 

kehnonymous

November 5th, 2014 at 9:54 AM ^

If the football players played Quidditch, Denard would obviously be the Seeker, but Vincent Smith would absolutely be one of the Beaters because you'd 100% want him watching your back.

blueblueblue

November 5th, 2014 at 9:55 AM ^

Here's a double finger guns to you Mr. Smith. We always appreciated your blocking wizardry. 

But one question: What kingdom is Hogwarts in? Is it say, closer to Winterfell or to King's Landing?

Bodogblog

November 5th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^

Thank you MrSmith

And hey, it looks like you've been coaching up Justice Hayes on the finer points of sticking one's helmet into the chest of the opposing player in pass pro.  He's getting better!  Now teach the rest of the RBs!

An Angelo's Addict

November 5th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

Thanks for posting Vincent! It is really great to hear from a player's perspective and I understand most people don't mean for it to be as insulting as it has come across. I think it is great for you to post for issues like this as it can help to calm the masses.

I also love that you made that picture your avatar, awesome. 

LSAClassOf2000

November 5th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

Thanks for stopping by and providing the explanation behind the term, MrSmith. Like others, I recognized the Harry Potter reference but as the books were only beginning to come out when I was at Michigan, I had no idea how it came into usage among athletes, but I see it now and it makes sense. Actually, it's a pretty apt description presented like this. 

GoWings2008

November 5th, 2014 at 10:08 AM ^

to have Vincent come out and mix it up with us.  You were such a joy to watch on the field and its awesome to get your perspective and your inputs on the board.  I hope we get to discuss things a lot more moving forward.  Thanks so much!!

beardog07

November 5th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^

Another problem with the term "muggles" is that it comes across as if the students are simply average, when in fact, many of the students are very talented at what they do. A lot of people on campus are 5* recruits in medicine, law, engineering, etc... Athletes aren't the only talented people at Michigan. I've never read Harry Potter but I take offense at what basically comes across as a similar term to "average" or "civilian".

Trolling

November 5th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^

I think this notion of the term denoting superiority vs inferiority is where the issues lie. Given MrSmith's comments and my own involvement in heavily insulated organizations, a common way for a group to bond is to recognize that individuals outside the situation cannot understand it like an insider does. This isn't bad, necessarily, but it could easily lead to or be misconstrued as feelings of superiority.