Hand : Elephant in the room

Submitted by His Dudeness on

I read this morning on the Rivals Board from Balas that Hand went to Bama for academic reasons and chose engineering. Hand came to his Michigan official visit wanting to be an engineering student. Our engineering program is far more reknown than Alabama. It doesn't make sense at first glance, but when you get into the story further it kind of makes a lot of  sense. 

Now this may or may not have happened, but reading between the lines about what the result of Hands recruitment was I assume Michigan said to him "Son, we have seen some kids try to do it and it doesn't work out well. Why not take a look at this wonderful sports management program we have."

Alabama on the other hand said to him "Son, it is difficult, but we have kids doing it right now and they can mentor you and we have processes in place to help you out. It is going ot be mighty difficult, but if you want to give it a shot then that's up to you."

Obviously this is all my assumption. Also, credit the sports managment prof for making a hell of an impression and nearly changing the course of Hands future.

The things we do know are Hand was "steered" toward sports management on his official.

He chose Alabama over us even though we have the superior engineering program (by a long shot).

My question is why did (do) we do this? Why not give the kid a shot if he wants to try engineering? Why do exactly what Harbaugh said we do (and got crushed for saying so)? Why take away one of our major advantages over other schools?

Also do you think my assumptions are off in the first place?

Sorry for bringing this up, but it has been bothering me.

 

 

MGJS SuperKick Party

November 15th, 2013 at 8:19 PM ^

Correct answer is its over. I mean, honestly Kid chose Alabama. They win a lot. Its not a rash decision, Hand took a very long look at his options and made the best choice for him. Give em hell kid. We have our own team to worry about, and we have kids who want to play for us. 

You cant win em all, and we still have Jabrill Peppers.

I dumped the Dope

November 15th, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^

Over. 

Couple of issues.  North Campus is in a different time zone from the athletic campus.  Doesn't matter if you drive a V8 rocket either, there's minimal parking.

Also, thinking back, all the tutors in the world will Not help you when you have to write equations for laminar flow (fluid mechanics).  I once went to a 1 hour test.  All the problems involved manipulating variables (no actual numbers).  The prof "generously" allowed 2 hours total time so nobody would feel pressure, and then not a single person finished before the two hour time window.  The prof had to call "time....turn in your work now".

When the test involves manipulating a 6 x 6 matrix on an exam an infinite number of tutors will Not help.  If you beat your head against the wall and learned by trial and error about the "tools" and "patterns" you can do the job.

I met a couple of guys in my first year who wanted to get together and spread out homework problems, each doing a share of them, to save time and effort.  After all homework is merely a check mark for effort and amounts to about 5% of the semester grade.  I resisted this and preferred to work alone in the basement of my rented house on them

The untold secret is if one busts their ass (head??) on those HW problems, and truly understands the methods behind the answers, then you will do well on the exams.  A complex way of saying its about effort.

I also recall a guy who I worked at the same company with over the summer.  He got overwhelmed the next fall because he spent too much time on the solar car project and let school slide a bit, like for a few weeks.   His grades fell off.  Next year the same company  wouldn't even offer him an engineering job, he supervised a production line...which is in some ways valuable but he didn't seem happy.

So there's this dilemma here.  Do well in engineering...spend lots of time on it.  Do well in football...spend lots of time on it.  There aren't enough hours in the day to do both.  Hoke knows.  Saban knows.  Recall that Bama lets the players weed themselves out (iow competition for the next year of scholarship, depth chart, etc) and so if one lets football slide...you see the outcome. 

It seems like Hand chose Engineering.  What I am saying is Hand chose Football...and to paraphrase another post of mine...higher concentration of hotter girls.

MGoStrength

November 15th, 2013 at 9:29 PM ^

Both schools wanted the kid, both schools made their best pitch, both schools tried to be as honest as they could and do what they think is mutually beneficial.  Alabama won.  You can't really fault Hoke for suggesting not doing engineering, if in fact that happened.  I highly doubt he wouldn't let him do it that's what Hand really wanted.  But, you also can't expect Hoke to tell the kid he should do it, knowing full well he probably won't have the time it takes to complete the degree he wants and play football at UM at the same time.  Hoke did what he thought was best for him, made his pitch, etc.  Saban did the same thing and won.  What are you gonna do?  

 

In reality it would be a surprise to beat Bama at this point for any non-regional recruit.  It only hurts because we assumed all along that he would go to UM.  With a visit to Bama we probably never should have allowed ourselves to become so secure in his committment in the first place.

jblaze

November 15th, 2013 at 10:39 PM ^

I graduated Michigan with 2 degrees and am a huge fan. If Hand were my son and could play D with Saban (and potentially get paid) I'd urge him to go to Bama over Michigan. Michigan is a sh*tshow right now, and it's more likely that Hoke isn't coaching 4 years from now than Saban.

Bjoms

November 15th, 2013 at 11:32 PM ^

And athletes away from difficult fields. I played baseball (04 grad) and the advisors strongly encouraged me away from a b school path. I never went back to that advisor and ended up graduating from the b school. However, it happens all of the time and I wouldn't doubt it happened here. However, I dont think that had more of an impact on Hand's decision than our poor play on the field.

TomJ

November 16th, 2013 at 5:55 AM ^

I have a little experience with engineering students and expectations. IMO engineering schools are much less likely to let students 'slide' with shallow knowledge, and for obvious reasons: an engineer makes a mistake and the bridge falls down, machine blows up, or something bad like that happens. So while it may be possible to water down expectations for other majors, it's not happening in engineering.

And the truth is, at the highest levels Michigan academics are hard. It's hard because all of your classmates are really smart and competitive, and that's doubly true for engineering. It's possible Hand might not have been able to hack it in engineering at UM, even with his B average in high school. 

I think people often fail to understand that there's a big difference from being able to get into a university and being able to survive there. Especially with athletes, where we have this one-size-fits-all NCAA clearinghouse criterion. Just because a guy has the minimum requirements to attend college according to the NCAA doesn't mean he can or should do it at Michigan. I'm not being elitist, I'm being a realist. Because if you're a student at Michigan that means you have to actually take classes in Michigan, full of other students who are really smart. And because they're smart, the classes will be taught at a high level and the competition for grades will be fierce. Not every student--let alone athlete--can handle this.

mayhem033

November 16th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^

Whether this is true or not, I don't know. If it is, Michigan screwed the pooch on this one. Let the kid find out on his own how much work it takes. Someone 'thinks' they took the high road and did a good deed.  

All that kid heard was "Sorry, but as a football player, you're not smart enough to do both. Look over here at sports management... SHINY RED BALL!" 

One kid will NEVER make make or break this team, so I'm not to upset. 

Mgodiscgolfer

November 16th, 2013 at 9:41 AM ^

are going to be level with the kid and steer him away from making his stay at UM a total nightmare. Sooo those who say it's cause of UM's slide the past couple of games have obviously never went to UM, the engineering school, or they are Sparty trolls who just don't get the fact that the UM degree is as much of the reason UM has been beating them regular until RR. Its not the team or the helmets, its the degree, that, my friends makes perfect sense.

samsoccer7

November 16th, 2013 at 10:48 AM ^

Chris Hutchinson was an all American DT AND academic all American then went to med school at Michigan. He works at the same hospital I did my fellowship. Pretty impressive.

ClearEyesFullHart

November 16th, 2013 at 1:29 PM ^

Jordan Morgan got his engineering degree and is working on his Masters...And for most of the school year he is traveling to Nebraska and Pennsylvania mid-week. It can be done, and I've got to believe that with football resources and 12 games(On Saturday no less) its less difficult in football than some sports...Heck, some people work their way through engineering school.