OT: Josh Smith to Pistons
Josh Smith has agreed to a four-year, $56 million deal with the Detroit Pistons league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
So you imply either Joe D is not competitive or one of the few competitive people happy to make management content with its dream of an 8 seed. Otherwise he would have resigned in an "honorable" way out of principle.
Interesting viewpoint people. I am trying to think of any GM in the history of GMs who has taken the stance espoused on this thread by the dreamers.
Especially considering the guys that are going to be in the 2014 Draft, management should realize that doing bad this year really wouldn't be horrible.
He provides everything aside from shooting. He gives you rebounds, blocks, steals and assists at SF/PF position. He is an underrated defensive player. Dumars is valuing athleticism and wants the team to run based on his recent off-season.
I think that they're planning on moving Moose and Knight or Stuckey and someone else for a good PG. Rondo could be a target.
Rondo is not going to be a Piston. Let's let that pipe dream die right now.
friends. Rondo wants to be traded. It could very well happen. Not a pipe dream if Celtics are literally trading everybody away..... If Pistons can package Monroe, Stuckey(expiring contract) and Knight for Rondo, I would be happy with the trade.
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You don't trade big for small. The only way I trade Greg Monroe on a rookie salary is for another young big on his first deal that would fit better next to Andre Drummond. Unless Joe can land Anthony Davis he should be planning to build this team around Monroe and Drummond.
but PF/C position is overcrowded with Smith, Monroe, Drummond and a few other players like Mitchell, Jerekbo, etc. If they want a quality PG, they're better of trading either Monroe or Drummond to get one. I prefer them trading Monroe over Drummond if I have to choose.
I'm all for creating a three-headed monster at the post positions with Drummond/Monroe/X with each receiving 30+ minutes nightly. I don't think that Josh Smith is the pure PF that bridges the gap between Drummond and Monroe, though.
Jerebko didn't earn his salary last season and Mitchell hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball yet and neither really factor into my big picture personnel assessments.
I would trade Monroe before Drummond if I had to choose, but that's like telling your son and your daughter which is your favorite child. I'd prefer not to.
of personnel assessment because of his potential. If he can get his head right, he will be an useful player for the Pistons. There is a reason why he's projected as a lottery pick a year ago. Players like Mitchell don't grow on tree and they got a big time steal at 2nd round.
My bet is Dumar is looking to trade for a PG. Remember, 17-18 million will be off the book by 2014 season thanks to Charlie V, Stuckey and Kratsov expriing contracts. They can amnesty Knight, taking an additional 4-5 mil off the book.
I was elated when we selected Mitchell. I'm already sold on his potential. I guess that my philosophy when it comes to 2nd rounders/guys out of the rotation/potential guys is that they need to first emerge and push for playing time and a bigger role *before* I make moves with them in mind.
Weird that your comments make the most sense, yet they are negatively rated. The Pistons have already expressed interest in Rondo so you are correct that they are clearly looking for a PG.
for reasons to dislike the Pistons or are a hater. They can't handle the actual truth of what Joe D have done in terms of rebuilding the Pistons. The young core is very good and should contend once they mature. They'll be singing in a different turne once Pistons becomes a contender within a year. I'm willing to bet that they will make the playoff next season.
I saw something on ESPN where they had players over the past 8 yrs who averaged 17 PPG, 8 rebounds and 4 assists. Lebron did it last year, Smith did it, Kevin Garnett did it twice, and Gasol did it once.
That is not bad company. Yes he checks out of games mentally but aside from Drummond he instantly becomes the most athletic Piston and that is something the team sorely lacks. They also lack scoring. To me is a poor man's Garnett (at his prime) which is ok for this team.
The thing I think alot of people are forgetting is that we have to spend 90% of the salary cap as part of the new CBA.
Will Bynum could've gotten a 1 year 17 million dollar deal.
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YESSSS!!!!!! CHAMPIONSHIP
I wouldn't doubt there are situations where this makes perfect sense.
That's a pretty strong opinion of a guy who brought more than one NBA Championships to Detroit as a player. Maybe you don't like him as an owner, but honestly ease up on the severity of your opinions. I'm thinking you're too young to remember him as anything but an owner.
I think you shouldn't take his post so seriously. I'm sure he means sports hate.
I strongly dislike Joe Dumars (he's not the owner by the way) for what he has done to this organization the past 5 years. Yes hate is a tad strong, but don't take everything so seriously either, this is indeed a case of a jaded pistons fan.
and my bad for the "owner" label. President of Operations is indeed what I meant. And I understand the jaded Piston's fan mindset. I truly do.
All good.
being better is a net negative. All it does is get them a worse draft pick in a loaded draft. There is no benefit in the NBA to being mediocre.
...they're not going to get to the ECF in one year.
down the road if they keep drafting awesome young talent. This signing makes it less likely that they will do so.
for them to tank. The fact that their pick is only top 8 protected makes this decision far worse in my mind, not better.
I have no idea whether this is coming from Dumars, from ownership, or from both.
But wherever it's coming from, it reflects a lack of commitment to a strategy. The Pistons have been surprisingly successful the last few years in the draft, and have actually built a young core of legit talent, that, in a few years, might be really good. Especially if they can add a couple more pieces through the draft. Signing Josh Smith now is the classic bad management two-step of (1) committing to rebuilding, then (2) deciding that losing sucks, and making a panic move to get back to the gray area between rebuilding and competing. There are very, very few instances where that has worked in either the short term or the long term.
I agree with your thoughts. Problem is Joe D now has a sword hanging over his head. Plus they are mandated to spend 90% of the cap. So what would you do with the money to preserve the Pistons "suckyness" to stockpile high draftpicks?
The Piston's brass (Joe and Owner Guy) has already stated the plan is to win. So there's no lack of commitment to their strategy. Josh Smith, in their eyes, will make them a better team that is closer to competing in the East. Whether that's true or not is up for debate. Also, keep in mind the season doesn't start until late October, there are still moves on the table... potentially.
They don't have a draft pick in that loaded draft unless it is in the top 8. Otherwise it goes to Charlotte. And if they're picking in the top 8, Dumars is fired. So you're basically saying he should quit his job.
I don't understand this mindset of "don't get better so you can possibly get a high draft pick and draft a player that can maybe make a really bad team slightly better". What's up with that?
you aren't a loser...
The people on this board, or all around the world, who would tank a whole season for a shot at a draft pick are the same people who wanted GRIII to be ok but not great this year so he stays for next year.
They are also the same people who want Gardner to be good this year but not great so he returns in 2014.
I think those people are lame. To get mad at the pistons (or lions some times) for winning games after they are out of it is to deny the whole heart and soul of sports; it isn't about draft picks or next year; it is about right here right now.
Dumars is trying to get better and not tank and people like Omar are willing to throw him out of town...
you play the game to win, plain and simple.
jdon
ps. outside of a few misses (darko, rodney white) the pistons have drafted very well for their draft position the last ten years. I know you don't want to believe me but go look at some other teams drafts in the same time period and tell me how they compare.
edited for language... I actually believe calling someone is a pussy is misogynistic...
I am beside myself over the size of that contract. We are paying him as a top 20 player when he hasn't played in an all-star game or been named to an all-nba team once.
Considering Tiago Splitter got 9 million a year, Calderon got over 7 million a year tyreke evens got 11 million a year it was going to take high number to get Smith
Tiago Splitter is a center and Jose Calderon is a pure point guard. Those positions are far more important to a team and thus merit greater salaries than a tweener SF/PF with no offensive skillset to speak of besides dunking should.
Those two players are going to teams with title hopes and their individual and team performances will justify their salaries. Josh Smith does no more than give us a glut of PFs and a first-round exit.
Josh Smith is a "name" and Joe is surely patting himself on the back for saving his job with a playoff berth on the horizon, but this is not a value signing at this point in time.
I understand Im not the biggest fan of the signing but considering we had to spend the money (to be over the required 90% of salary cap spent) he was out best option once we missed out of Andre Iguodala
Splitter and Calderon(who is an underrated PG but can't play defense). 14 mil is kind of a steal for a player in his caliber.
Calderon at 7 million for 4 years is a bad deal. The guy can't guard anyone. Splitter might be a center, but that's about all you can say about him. The Heat killed him in the final and as far as Smith being a name, well so is Splitter. With him people always look at his potential, well at some point you have to deliver and Splitter hasn't.