What about McQueary?
Lots and lots of discussion on the board the past 72 hours over Joe Pa, Penn State's administration and how what people did versus what they should've done. I am troubled frankly, most of all, by what McQueary did NOT do when he witnessed first hand Sandusky assaulting the young boy. I know I'm a father of 4 and hence a bit "kid biased" but can somebody tell me why in the name of God did McQueary not grab a chair and beat the holy hell out of Sandusky when he saw him raping the child???? I honestly believe if I witnessed an old man raping a child in the shower I would stop Sandusky with force enough to hurt him. From what I read in the Grand Jury report that is not even close to what he did and it bothers me.
Please understand I am not excusing Joepa, the AD or the Dean of Finance for their lack of action on what was reported but everything they heard was second or even third hand. But McQueary saw it happening - and I cannot understand for the life of me why he didn't do more. A LOT more.
November 8th, 2011 at 3:13 AM ^
I've never posted here. I'm a fan of another B1G team, but I've lurked because I like sports discussions even if I'm not apart of them and even if it's not my team. Regardless, this thread has really brought out something in me to want to post.
I feel for the kids, not only because of what happened to them... but because of what they are still going through now as grown men.
I obviously don't know the kids, and their thoughts may be different than mine, but as a male who was sexually abused as a child from age 4-6 in a very similar circumstance by another male... I really think most of these kids just wish this would not have come out and had let it be.
I've never admitted this to anyone, my family, friends (even those I've known for 20 years), fiance I've known for 10, therapist I had seen for unrelated (on the surface) issues, and with the exception of the anonimity of the internet, I never will. There's no way I'd want to be apart of this very public investigation in any way. It's the most humiliating thing to have to live with but the only thing I could think of that would be worse is people knowing it happened. That may sound strange, but it's the truth.
This is obviously much more high profile than my situation ever would have become... but the crime was exactly the same and I'm sure the humility and guilt is very similar.
I feel absolutely terrible for these men definitely for what happened to them... but my god, this has to be absolutely horrific to have to relive it all over again.
As far as beating Sandusky over the head... I understand it makes you feel better and you want to direct the rage, and rightly so. Unfortunately even if McQuery did do that... the damage was done. Even if they give Sandusky the chair... it's been done and nothing will ever change the psychological damage these men will have to deal with.
My two cents.
November 8th, 2011 at 7:37 AM ^
November 8th, 2011 at 8:53 AM ^
Thanks for sharing.
November 8th, 2011 at 10:59 AM ^
but dont you feel it is better that someone is confronted to make sure it doesnt happen to another child as well.
November 8th, 2011 at 11:39 AM ^
Bless you for having the courage to write this. I hope it brings you some measure of peace. You deserve it.
November 8th, 2011 at 4:19 AM ^
The mothers of some victims speak out in this link below... and give more details on what happened:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_je…
Joe Pa, McQuary are toast....
November 8th, 2011 at 6:04 AM ^
November 8th, 2011 at 7:21 AM ^
You really don't get it. Nobody is saying what he did is right. People are saying that they can understand why he didn't jump in the shower and kill a naked dude. Everybody admits he should have done more after the fact. You just want to show us how angry you are and drop more lines about how tough you are in real life.
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<br>We get it. You've told us a hundred times. You have your own business. You're very successful. You have a half naked picture of your wife as your avatar. You're a real life tough guy. Not just an Internet tough guy.
November 8th, 2011 at 8:57 AM ^
Everyone reacts differently to seeing something shocking/ horrifying. Fight or Flight, right? McQuery didn't act pefectly, but at least he said something to someone. We'd all like to believe that we would have been tough guy and beat down Sandusky, but hopefully none of us will ever be tested in that situation.
However, I think the OP was just trying to question why MM didn't do what he ideally should have, and has recieved his answer.
November 8th, 2011 at 8:37 AM ^
It's cathartic to discuss this because, among other reasons, we're all fans of a major college football program and, at some level it's the disproportionate influence major college football programs have over campus life and community life -- as well as the unthinkable moral failings of those in power -- that caused the coverup.
Make no mistake about it -- this is the worst scandal in the history of college football. It involves real, serious life, not just the fodder for fans of one team to trash talk fans of other schools -- like Tressel's failings, oversigning, SMU delivering bags of cash to players, the doctoring of transcripts, etc.
Paterno should resign in shame immediately and devote the rest of his life to redeeming his reputation and soul.
One question I have is the circumstances surrounding Sandusky's departure from coaching. The guy was the clear heir apparent to Paterno and one of the elite coordinators in college football. Even before the internet made assistant coaches household names, Sandusky's name was well-known.
Then he's gone, in his mid-50s. When he left, he was barely older than Brady Hoke is now. Was he sent on his way because everyone knew he "liked" little boys? If so, why did everyone sit silent for him to devote his life to a charity that looks for all the world that he set up to provide himself with access to vulnerable boys?
The idea that the unraveling of the coverup of these heinous crimes will now be ground down into ESPN cliche fodder -- "Is this a distraction to the team," "Did Paterno handle the press conference correctly?" "What will be the impact on recruiting?" is sickening. ESPN -- shut up. You're out of your depth.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:03 AM ^
November 8th, 2011 at 9:12 AM ^
As badly as you want to position yourself as the arbiter of right in wrong in a crowd of moral relativists it doesn't work.
For the last fucking time:
EVERYBODY AGREES THAT MCQUEARY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED SANDUSKY IN THE ACT, AND THEY ALSO AGREE THAT MCQUEARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INSISTENT ON THE POLICE BEING NOTIFIED, NOTIFYING THEM HIMSELF WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THOSE HE TOLD WEREN'T DOING IT.
Everybody
Agrees
With
This.
Everybody.
You asked for an explanation of it his actions. People offered them. Explanations are not excuses. We can, I think, assume that McQueary believes the rape of young children to be wrong, and something he does not support. Something, then, made him run despite that. Attempting to identify that is not an attempt to excuse him.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:34 AM ^
I think if you re-read the string I'm not sure you can get to "everyone agrees with this" but I'm glad you do. In fact several say it's unfair for me to be critical of his actions as I have no idea how'd I'd act in that situation.
November 8th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
Saying "you don't know what you'd do until confronted by that situation" is not saying "what he did is ok". It is saying that perhaps acting as you say you would would be more difficult than you make it out to be.
That it is difficult does not make it more or less right or wrong.
November 8th, 2011 at 10:55 AM ^
You dont know how you would react?...There is only one action and that is to stop it and makes sure authorities take action. It's a child being raped by an adult. What do you mean you dont know what you would do? Im completely shocked by some of these responses. I dont care what your position in life or if you lose your job or whatever you can not stand by and let this happen. Your a complete coward if you do. I can honestly say that behind a key, in the moment, to your face, to his face whatever no tough guy bs needed. I would hope to god anybody would step in and stop such a hienous act.
November 8th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^
Mgrowold, you started this thread to ask why McQuery didn't beat up Sandusky. As several people have explained, stopping the rape is obviously the right thing to do but people don't always react rationally in situations of extreme stress and shock.
The rest of this thread is just you feeling morally superior and wanting everyone to know it. You're a bad ass with a hot wife and you would have totally kicked his ass!
November 8th, 2011 at 12:00 PM ^
For what it's worth Billy I started the thread after reading the Grand Jury report and then watching the news last night which centered on JoePa, the AD and the Dean of Finance's behavior. I asked myself where was the outrage at McQuery as he was the only one who had first-hand, eye-witness knowledge of what Sandusky did and yet took no direct action at the time of the incident and very little afterwards. I was revolted that a man could watch someone raping a child and then react by running away to hide and not stopping it and so I posted.
Since then I have engaged in debates with several of what I consider to be apologists for behavior that cannot possibly be excused, rationalized or explained away. Again - this is my opinion and for whatever reason has now degenerated into name calling. I didnt bring up my hot wife and I didnt call myself a "bad ass" - I said, and I'll stand by this, that I would've stopped it immediately. I would not have had to think about it. I would not have been too shocked, scared or freaked out to react. I would not have needed to call my dad and ask for advice. I WOULD'VE STOPPED SANDUSKY.
November 8th, 2011 at 12:08 PM ^
Thank you for clearing that up. I was confused by the ambiguity in your first 34 posts in this thread.
November 8th, 2011 at 11:35 AM ^
I agree whole heartedly!
I don't believe I could control myself.It would have been instinctive,even if it was a young man(the violater) who was able to fight and hurt me.It would atleast get him away from the kid.The cops would have immediatly been called and anyone in the immediate area would have known.
This is TOTALLY unexcusable and Penn State is in Big trouble!
November 8th, 2011 at 12:07 PM ^
really puts an entirely different spin on McQueary's actions. Not only is his decision questioned critically, but there is a vector who judges him as well.
I'm not going to judge the situation, it's so horrid that it definely needs for all the facts to be brought to light but AT THE VERY LEAST McQueary should have informed coach Paterno. At the very least. Him washing his hands of the situation is more justifiable handing it off to coach Paterno, a legendary figure who would be expected to take action.
For Coach Paterno, aside from doing it himself, this is the worst case scenario; his integrity is being questioned in the worst way. Prior to this he's seen as a guy who does no wrong, he comes across like an old school temperate, puritan man...and this comes up? If all he did is send it up the chain of command and wash his hands of it, so much for his sterling reputation; this tarnishes him in a big, bad way.