OT - Terelle Pryor Genius?
http://deadspin.com/5836254/terrelle-pryors-wonderlic-score-was-reporte…
His wonderlic score is incredible. Academic All Big Ten (America?) at Ohio.
Edit: This link within the deadspin article is to a study of QB performance vs. Intelligence. Interesting stuff.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^
If they say these test dont mean anything then why do they keep giving them out ??? It doesnt guarantee success or failure ... O well
August 31st, 2011 at 2:56 PM ^
Not being able to throw, however, DOES guarantee failure.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:59 PM ^
Oh he can throw it. He just doesn't know where its going.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^
Right in the lumber yard? Na na na na na na.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:28 PM ^
The world needs ditch-diggers too!
August 31st, 2011 at 4:17 PM ^
I have been serving in the Army for just over twelve years now in a variety of Special Operations assignments and all of them use this test as one part of their assesment tools to identify viable candidates. While it isn't an end all solution it is a valuable tool when used with other tests and interviews. As far as the old excuse of "I didn't take a meaningless multiple guess test seriously" when you are taking a series of tests and interviews to identify how many millions of dollars you will be handed before ever doing anything, not taking it seriously may be just as much of an indicator as doing poorly on it.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:30 PM ^
Thanks for your service to our country.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:53 PM ^
as high as I thought it would be.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:54 PM ^
Well, Pryor scored one point higher than Manningham. Stones, glass houses, etc.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:03 PM ^
ALOT. Spare me, it's the summer of Ohio Schadenfreude and it was led by this idiot.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^
You're right, gym class dodge ball picking order has led to my post bringing to light that maybe you shouldn't make fun of someone for scoring a 7 when we have our own players that have scored lower... Woe is me.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^
I'll just let you have this one because you probably don't lose a lot of arguments. I bow down to your smugness.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:49 PM ^
Bragging about getting picked early for sports on an internet forum. Fist bump, bro!
August 31st, 2011 at 6:40 PM ^
I've totally failed arguing with Stewie and getting snide remarks by Bruce Lee, bro.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:02 PM ^
its different for Quarterbacks though .... they have to be smart, quick, intelligent, and good decision makers. Wide Receivers can be a little more challenged....they run a route and catch the ball.... they're reading 1 or 2 guys where a Quarterback is reading 11....
so Manningham's score is apples to Pryor's oranges
August 31st, 2011 at 5:27 PM ^
Welcome to the world of Michigan fan.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^
...that he scored a 27.
I'll believe the 7 score until it is definitively shown otherwise.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^
i think for the first time in years, that deadspin has said something noble and intelligent:
The real story here is Bob McGinn, or any writer or personnel staff member who sees fit to leak a player's Wonderlic score. It's a pointless measure of nothing, it's supposed to be confidential, and it serves zero purpose except...what? Well, the only time scores leak, it seems to be either a high-scoring white player or a low-scoring black player.
emphasis above is mine.
the wonderlic means little to nothing. as much as i dislike pryor and loathe osu, this is something that he doesn't deserve. there's too much of a racial element to it. because seriously, if he were white, nobody would care what his wonderlic was.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:07 PM ^
Didn't he score the highest ever recorded? I believe that was leaked as well.
I only care because it's fun to make fun of Ohio. We are Michigan and the quicker we get back to ridiculing Ohio on and off the field the better.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^
Wouldn't that confirm the "high scoring white player" part of the article?
August 31st, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^
Pryor could look like Gordon Gee and it wouldn't change the fact that he is a dumbass. I assume that most people on here, being Michigan fans, are commenting due to the fact that he is an idiot, not because he is an idiot of a particular race. The source's reasons for leaking the information are irrelevant to our reasons for being interested in that information. Idiocy knows no skin color (although it does prefer certain jersey colors).
August 31st, 2011 at 3:08 PM ^
The Ohio fans have had a lot of fun with Forcier not going to class and being stupid, so I think it's just a little getting even from my perspective.
Nationally, I think revealing the scores does seem to perpetuate the "black quarterback" stereotype. I have heard analysts criticize some white qbs for low scores over the years, IIRC Ryan Leaf was pretty low, but it doesn't seem to get as much press. The only way we'll know if there's any correlation between Wonderlic, race and success is to see the scores for all quarterbacks and compare.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^
The Ohio fans have had a lot of fun with Forcier not going to class and being stupid, so I think it's just a little getting even from my perspective.
its one thing to make fun of kids for not going to class. i still laugh at scholars like andy katzenmoyer (famed for his golf and ballroom dancing courses). its another thing to hate on someone for a test which has been shown to have no real correlation to his job. ill put it like this: its like making fun of a computer programmer for not being able to throw a football 50 yards. its just a dick move imo.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
Don't forget his 0.0 GPA in doing so....:)
August 31st, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
I agree about the dick move part but I don't know if I'd go as far as the computer programmer comment. I think the gist of the test is how well you can process and make decisions quickly under pressure situations, attributes that would help a qb do his job. It would be like a computer programmer that can't balance a checkbook. It's something you'd assume he could do pretty well but it doesn't mean he can't do his job.
Just FYI, the local radio guys in CBus are making fun of him too, not that that proves anything either way from the racial aspect.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:33 PM ^
What does computer programming have to do with math? I think a better comparison would be to ask a programmer to write snippet of code such that he choose the best and most efficient solution. There are bunches of ways to "skin a cat" but only one or two will be the most efficient.
September 1st, 2011 at 8:09 AM ^
My point was that the general public would expect someone with the intelligence to be a computer programmer to have the mathematical ability to balance a checkbook. Similarly, they would expect someone with the intelligence to play D1 college football to be able to score higher on the Wonderlic test. The poster I was replying to implied that intelligence has nothing to do with playing QB, or maybe that the Wonderlic isn't a measure of intelligence, I forget at this point.
Edit: Sorry, haven't had my coffee yet. I inferred, he implied.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
I'm a computer programmer and I can throw a football 60+ yards, fwiw. Thanks for the stereotype.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:39 PM ^
Unless I'm missing something, the comment was saying that being able to throw a football 50 yards was unrelated to the ability to program a computer, not that computer programmers could never throw a ball 50 yards.
So in trying to break a computer programmer/athleticism stereotype, you may have enhanced a computer programmer/reading comprehension stereotype--which I'm only jokingly saying because I'm also in computer science.
September 1st, 2011 at 6:33 AM ^
August 31st, 2011 at 3:15 PM ^
Exactly. All this proves is that Pryor is black.
August 31st, 2011 at 7:59 PM ^
Holy blatant racism. The South lost, get over it.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:03 PM ^
FWIW, McGinn's reported almost every draft prospect's Wonderlic score for at least the past 5 years. He has amazing sources among NFL scouts.
August 31st, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^
It's a mark of the particular odiousness of Deadspin, though, that they can squeeze that media critique into an article entitled "Terrelle Pryor's Wonderlic Score Was Reportedly a 7."
August 31st, 2011 at 4:21 PM ^
To be honest, the low Wonderlic scores I hear most frequently are those of Vince Young and Terry Bradshaw. One of those two is of a decidedly pale complexion.
You hear about low scores frequently because it serves as a handy way for jealous fans to knock a guy down a peg. It's depressing to think a disliked opponent is both athletically gifted AND a genius, so learning that he's a certified MORAN provides some schadenfreude. On the other hand, for a less-gifted fan of the low-scoring player, the test proves that all those eggheads are stupid nerds and all that matters is MAKING PLAYS. It's fluff.
Seriously, why the need to play the race card on what is really just fluff? And anyway, to prove it's a racial thing you'd need to show that there are a statistically significant number of white QBs whose low score is not publicized and a significant number of black QBs whose high score is not publicized. I think you'll find that the outliers on either side are publicized, regardless of color (and that Wonderlic scores for all QBs, dumb, average, and otherwise, are usually made public).
August 31st, 2011 at 5:07 PM ^
scored a 13(or 16, Correct me if I'm wrong). He's white.
/i'm that guy pointing out the contradictions
August 31st, 2011 at 5:22 PM ^
If Pryor were white or yellow or red or green or pink, people would be interested to know his score, given his history of stupid comments, his bad judgments off the field and--am I remembering this correctly?--his supposed academic achievements at ohio.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:55 PM ^
This isn't entirely accurate. I don't recall where I heard it but do remember Henne's score being publicized, and him being somewhat derided for it in comparison to someone else. I thought it was lower than it actually was.
September 1st, 2011 at 7:12 AM ^
Race card.. really mature bro
August 31st, 2011 at 3:22 PM ^
2010
The average score for an NFL quarterback is 24.
The average for 30 quarterbacks slated to start in 2010 is 28.5.
The average score among the past seven Super Bowl winners is 30.1.
Wonderlic scores for the NFL's projected starting quarterbacks in 2010:
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
20. Kyle Orton 26
23. Ben Roethlisberger 25
24. Jason Campbell 23
25. Brett Favre 22
25. Tim Tebow 22
25. Chad Henne 22
28. Bruce Gradkowski 19
29. Vince Young 15
30. Donovan McNabb 14
30. David Garrard 14
Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore
Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36
Colt McCoy, Texas 25
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23
Tebow 22
Other Wonderlic scores of note:
Brian Griese 39
Drew Bledsoe 36
Steve Young 33
John Elway 29
Chad Pennington 25
JaMarcus Russell 24
Mark Brunell 22
Trent Dilfer 22
Michael Vick 20
Daunte Culpepper 18
Dan Marino 15
Randall Cunningham 15
Jim Kelly 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Chris Leak 8
August 31st, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^
Fitzpatrick went to the Michigan of the East so he doesn't count.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
Where is Cam Newton rated? Do you know?
August 31st, 2011 at 4:58 PM ^
His father wouldn't say.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:13 PM ^
you make a sizable donation to his church.
August 31st, 2011 at 5:20 PM ^
The church only got about $30k. Old Cec pocketed the other $150k
August 31st, 2011 at 4:57 PM ^
Shouldnt this guy be doing something a little more productive than playing football? Seems like a waste of resources when this guy isnt doing something that could benefit society or the world for that matter..Im only half serious.