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|1 day 16 min ago||I get it||
I totally understand why people are skeptical of Max. And if you read my other responses, I'm not trying to say he'll emerge as an All-Big Ten player. But as one final rebuttal because I've been procrastinating all day:
1) Stuck behind Morgan and Horford: Is that really a knock on him or his situation? Morgan, who I've been trying to say is a better version of him with 2 years and much more game experience and Horford, who's also older, and more experience -- also taller, and bouncier which provides a different look than 2 "Morgan" types were. Being third on the depth chart shouldn't be a predictor of success. Cheap examples: Brady was a benchwarmer for a while, Anibal Sanchez is the #3 starter, and Wisconsin bigs do it all the time.
2) Yeah, Max does get lost. But how much of that is Max, and how much of that is Max being thrown into a game that's either A) Already won and a glorified pick-up game, or B) An emergency situation that calls him off the bench stone cold to play with first teamers he barely practices with. I can't answer this question, neither can you. I suppose only the coaches know at this point.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Perimeter Defense||
Another thing to be optimistic about is perimeter defense. Awful last year. It COULD be a strength next year. We lose Nik, and get Irvin and Walton another year older/wiser/conditioned. LeVert has the natural ability. Maybe he puts it all together in year three. Or maybe not, because of offensive burdern. We could pretty much switch every position too.
Another thing is the 1-3-1. Does Beilein use it more next year? Roster seems tailor made. A ton of length. Chatman, Irvin, LeVert interchangable at the top and wings. Walton seems like the ideal baseline guy. Donnal could hold down the middle (or better yet, rebound magnet McGary). Seems like we could really create some turnovers with next years roster.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Yep||
It's an appropriate beverage for summer (no football and basketball). I'd rather look for reasons that Max can be a dark-horse contributor than spend all off-season looking at a McGary-less front court that includes almost exclusively freshmen (Donnal, Doyle, Wilson, Chatman) or guys with slim builds (welp; they're the same guys).
Ultimately we're built for guard play and we'll be fine regardless. But it's nice to have options up front. I like the potential of the guys we have. But there's going to come a time where we get outmuscled, and Max is the only player we have who has girth and muscle. Doyle will, but I've learned not to count on a true freshman big as a sure thing -- especially one without that "Can't Miss" tag.
|1 day 1 hour ago||College Hoops||
There's plenty of room in college hoops for "guys." Maybe I came off a little too optimistic in my original post, but I want to say that I think Max has a shot at becoming a "guy," and I'd love that. Consistently 5-15 minutes a game. He doesn't have to be Jordan Morgan, but he might become a guy we can count on to give us solid minutes every game (as opposed to emergency Max).
He's got the body to rebound, set good screens, an IQ that suggests he can master defensive positioning, and presumably a better shooter than Morgan (the coaches obviously told him he can shoot threes, even if he hasn't made many). The sample size isn't enough for me to say he's a career scout teamer yet.
So I don't really disagree with you. He won't shoot 70%. But maybe he can hit enough long 2s or 3s to stretch the defense a bit. And he might not have the quickness or athleticism, but in college hoops you can become a pretty good defender with IQ and hustle (pre-charge rule?). At the very least, could be become a Zack Novak at power forward?
Not calling a LeVert-type improvement for him, but I'll "hold" my stock on Max for now. I'd prefer to think he's worth something if Mitch makes the jump.
|1 day 2 hours ago||No doubt||
I agree. It's for the sake of making a point. But as a society we tend to rate everybody above average. That's statistically impossible. JMo was no Petway with the leap, and his athleticism improved dramatically with hard work in the weight room and by doing cardio. That's a fact. He didn't come to Michigan as the athlete he left as.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Maybe||
Maybe not, but those are assumptions based on sample size.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Opportunity||
What I alluded to is that opportunity brings out the best in players. Horford cited that, and it's usually true. JMo was described as awful during his redshirt year. In three years you haven't seen anything from Max because you haven't seen much of Max. And I'll also challenge you by saying that he hasn't been that bad in his emergency minutes.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Why not||
Max is a nearly a clone of JMo. Opportunity creates players. JMo had tons of experience. Why can't Max be a JMo defensive quarterback, finisher, and box out champ? He's actually been solid on D and on the glass in limited chances. Just needs to stop chucking threes.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Maryland||
A Top 10 recruiting class joining plenty of returning upperclassmen from a above-average ACC team in a weak year by the Big Ten standards. Upperclassmen are a big deal in the age of NBA early entries. Florida this year, Miami last year, Nebraska this year to some extent -- you have 22 year olds on the court, you're gonna have more success than your talent level might suggest.
We'll see. Just my prediction. They have a good mix of young talent and seasoned vets.
|2 days 18 hours ago||1. Wisconsin2. Maryland3.||
4-6 are closer to the rest than 1-3. I think we win >20 regular season games, are wire to wire #20-30 range, and enter the NCAA tournament as a 5-7 seed.
|4 days 19 hours ago||The worst||
I don't think it's the worst. It's better than AstroTurf, concrete, and hardwood.
|5 days 58 min ago||A few fallacies||
You can make great money in Europe if you're playing for a top team in a top league, and it goes down from there. I have a mutual friend of Drew Neitzel who says he was making "150-250,000". That's great money, but he was pretty high in demand for Europe. Novak was probably much much less, for comparison. Also, I've heard playing in a foreign country gets a little old - foreign language, culture, get a little homesick. Not all teams play in southern France.
|5 days 21 hours ago||His quotes||
Not intended exclusively for you, but I think we're nitpicking his comments a little too much. I don't think Horford realized how much the blogosphere would dissect that sentence when he said it. He probably thought it was a neutral truth that answered the question and left the meat to his friend and teammate.
If I am ever interviewed, I'm totally hiring a focus group beforehand. Too much analysis on the word choice of Horford, Hoke, etc.. etc..
|5 days 21 hours ago||Read again||
Read my comments (and the article) again. He did say that JMo was successful and Mitch was too. He just said he didn't have the opportunity to build his own confidence because there weren't enough minutes available for HIM in our current landscape. Although he cited fit, he didn't damn it. You can do it, he said he did it when he got extended minutes. It's just an issue of Horford being the type of guy that thrives off PT to "warm up." I have no issue with that, it's usually true for most guys (see JMo 13-14, 12-13 vs. late 11-12, McGary in tourney). My only rebuttal would be that he staggered his own minutes by picking up cheap fouls.
On a different note; feels like we're all forgetting about Max Beifeldt. Sure, he's six foot seven or eight and stocky...but he looks a lot like Jordan Morgan. I don't think that Morgan's trajectory would be much different than Max's if he wasn't thrust into the fire as an underclassman with creative guards.
Max has had his moments as a rebounder and defender. Like Jon is implying, players tend to grow more when their responsibility grow. I wouldn't be surprised to see Max become an effective rotation player, JMo-lite, moving forward. My only complaint of him is that he needs to stop chucking threes.
|5 days 22 hours ago||Horford||
I don't know if it's possible to have a better exit than that, from Jon's perspective or Michigan's. He was completely transparent about the reasons he was leaving -- now we all know. He cited the offense, but said that a traditional big could definitely be successful given the opportunity. He said that he was when he had the minutes. He said that the coaches developed his talent, and he's ready to show it where the coaches trust him (I read: where competition for the 1 'true post' spot is a little thinner). He praises the coaches, his teammates, and the university. The coaches look extra classy in the whole ordeal. Horford is following his heart (and unfortunately, his handlers advice for 4 years(!). I admire his patience if that is the truth).
I expected to think it might knick our ability to recruit given his "fit" comments, but honestly I don't believe it will. We'll use one "true" post, and there's room for that -- McGary, Doyle, Zimmerman, Stone, whoever. The other big will always be a "stretch" guy. Hopefully bigger than what we've had in Novak and GRIII, but Donnal and DJ Wilson are the ideal fits there. There's nothing damning about the 4 in this offense.
I guess what I'm saying in many words is that Horford is leaving with extreme grace. Injuries and JMo ultimately put a cap on what he could personally accomplish at UofM (and to some extend fit), but he'll leave with a lot of memories, TEAM success, and a degree. Very happy for Jon Horford and can't wait to still what he can do elsewhere. I can see him landing at Big East or AAC school for sure.
|5 days 22 hours ago||I disagree||
I disagree. Although it's unfortunate that his handlers were pushing him one way, they'd been doing it for FOUR years. Him transferring as a post-grad says more about Horford's desire to be a good teammate and get his degree than it does him giving in to external pressure.
And as for McGary; he was probably explicitly asked that question. He answered it without giving any indication of his direction. What's Mitch gonna do? You tell me based on Horford's comments or decision.
|6 days 22 hours ago||Face Value||
He's saying take it at face value. Him tweeting grow blue with Nik means we develop players and our guys have success. It does not mean that Nik is coming back even taller than he was last year.
|1 week 2 days ago||Way-Too-Early||
Says it in the title. It's way too early. But it's fun to look far far ahead, and it gives the writer something to post this AM.
|1 week 3 days ago||Awesome||
Very well done, but I feel like Walton and Horford should have a few clips. Just to chronicle all the key guys who were a part of these runs. That's nitpicking though. Awesome video.
|1 week 3 days ago||Toledo||
Toledo is a whole lot closer to Ann Arbor than it is to, say, Utah
|1 week 3 days ago||I can't stand your type||
Why don't you tell me about all the other things you don't care for, without me asking. Cats? Game of Thrones? How I Met Your Mother, maybe?
|1 week 4 days ago||Very true||
But will they get to play competitive basketball with their best friends? Not here to start an argument about merits of coming back for college life, but Nik has been on record saying that it's a huge factor in his decision.
|1 week 5 days ago||Baseball||
The perfect summer sport. It's leisurely and outdoors. Fun to spend time with good people at the games, and I also love grilling while the Tigers are on in the background.
|2 weeks 25 min ago||Yeah||
Horton was a McD AA, and Harris was Top 40. Chris Hunter and Courtney Sims were each 3/4 star guys in the Top 150 range of a Donnal or Burke.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Agree||
I agree, and said this to my friend before the last possession. I just feel much more comfortable in our offense down 1-2 with the last shot than our defense tied up. The stats support that.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||For 35 minutes||
For 35 minutes seemed like everything was going eright.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan||
Morris did have an offer from Michigan. He and Walton were basically simultaneous, first commit gets it.
Oliver had Michigan interest. But our philosophy isn't to offer guys until their interest is high, and it would be a commutable offer from our end. While he has become a good player, ultimately we got our top choice.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Exactly||
I've had discussions with my siblings on this topic (one is a rabid MSU fan). We agree that if you have a geographical or familial connection, it's completely fair game. If you grew up a fan of the team - even without logic (I was a childhood Penguins fan...no explanation) it's fair game. If you became a fan when they were on top, and stuck with them to thick and thin (i.e remained a Michigan fan despite 3-9, 5-7) it's fair game.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Walmart Wolverines||
Such an overrated and ridiculous concept. The argument doesn't make any sense.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Jalen||
Covers the NCAA (College Gameday) and the NBA (ABC/ESPN). Plus he's deep with ties in the NBA and Detroit. I think he's uniquely qualified to have a pulse on this.