in his words the biggest difference is that this OSU team will be built and win or lose based on their defense not their offense. Interesting to me given Seth's recent comments that OSU needs decide what their identity is if they are going to take the crown back from UM.
Whether deciding to be a defensively lead team with a running based offense will work or not remains to be seen but its certainly an identiy change.
I have no idea who will be better and literally never heard of either of them before a few days ago but it seems pretty clear that Morgan was the 3rd one to receive and accept the job. Hopefully 3rd times a charm.
so he was planning on having to pay assistants on a national championship team more the following season.... insightful. That must be why some on the board want to extend him.
Clink knew he wasn't gonna be DC when he told his players he was coming back.
So incredibly tired of one of the richest programs in the nation constantly crying poor. Either you're in the big leagues or your not. Either you pay for talent or you don't get any. This AD and program need to wake up to the new market realities.
Am I the only one who thinks 10-2 and even 9-3 seems highly optimistic given everything going on with coaching, massive turnover on O, no obvious QB and three top 5 teams on the schedule?
Again with this portal crap.. they haven't lost anyone because at the moment it makes no sense to leave your current team because you can't enroll and the new place yet. Sam's been pushing this nonsense to as some sign that the players are bought in but in reality it just the calendar working in there favor momentarily.
I don't think he "simply changed his mind"... I think the Chargers probably upped the bid and UM didn't match so he bolted. Seems the most simple answer to me.
Sam's of course gonna say some nonsense like "it's not about the money". "Jim was never gonna lose this bidding war". "Of course he wanted to be in the NFL".. "I never said he was def back only said it seemed like he's back "... Blah blah blah because that's what it takes to sell memberships.
A program coming off the most successful on field 3 year run in history and it's staff is in shambles and it's recruiting it's entirely mediocre. You people who don't realize it's money related are incredible naive.
If UM wants good coaching they (and every other college team) are gonna have to pay up because anyone worth it is gonna have NFL options and that's obviously a better gig. Only reasons the DC is here is a lack of options.
yes, this def could be true if Moore invests more in recruiting elsewhere but its concerning that the first name I heard floated to come with Wink was another guy (Wilkins) who's also been in the NFL for over a decade
He did not become a HC so I dunno what you're talking about.
His D took a dive (maybe because of injury..maybe not) and they clearly wanted Mac back. The fact that their public comments were incredibly vanilla is meaningless.
I did listen to Sam but I am also not incredibly naive.
You wanna call BLT a "mutual parting" be my guest but they obviously wanted to drop him for Mac. And Wink had an incredibly public falling out with Daboll in NY. It's fact that his last two teams didn't want to hold on to him. At some point ' it's not you it's me" means it actually is you.
I mean when you get a chance to hire a guy who hasn't been in college coaching for two decades and doesn't have any interest from the NFL you gotta take it! Especially when his last defense had such stellar results!
Given Warde very recent stance on NIL any further opening up of the NIL regulations seems like it would make it even harder for UM to compete with the majority of power 2 programs for talented players.
If the current analogy is "the speed limit is 50mph but everyone else is going 75" then this seems like it just means those guy currently going 75 can go even faster.
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in his words the biggest difference is that this OSU team will be built and win or lose based on their defense not their offense. Interesting to me given Seth's recent comments that OSU needs decide what their identity is if they are going to take the crown back from UM.
Whether deciding to be a defensively lead team with a running based offense will work or not remains to be seen but its certainly an identiy change.
"per Sam" lol
I mean the coaching staff literally said they were looking for WR help but....sure
:::quietly::: am I the only one not thrilled to hear so much "Wink + blitz" being thrown around?
I have no idea who will be better and literally never heard of either of them before a few days ago but it seems pretty clear that Morgan was the 3rd one to receive and accept the job. Hopefully 3rd times a charm.
Wasn't Clink plan A, Adgoke plan B and thus Morgan plan C? Doug Mallory might have even slotted in there somewhere.
WTKA crew said he was looking at Ole Miss, Bama and Oregon. For what that's "worth"
I thought this was the rule around here... Wtf!! 😜
I'm sure the line will once again be that it "wasn't about the money" when in all likelihood it was def about the money.
so he was planning on having to pay assistants on a national championship team more the following season.... insightful. That must be why some on the board want to extend him.
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He's all in on the Chargers and I'm all in on UM so it doesn't really matter to me.
If you guys wanna tell's the athletic department it's fine to not compete for the best talent out there, that's certainly your prerogative.
And if you really think these things arent almost entirely about money then you haven't really been paying attention to college football
Clink knew he wasn't gonna be DC when he told his players he was coming back.
So incredibly tired of one of the richest programs in the nation constantly crying poor. Either you're in the big leagues or your not. Either you pay for talent or you don't get any. This AD and program need to wake up to the new market realities.
"By all accounts" meaning something Sam said.... Got bad news about things Sam's said
Am I the only one who thinks 10-2 and even 9-3 seems highly optimistic given everything going on with coaching, massive turnover on O, no obvious QB and three top 5 teams on the schedule?
Sure. Everything is going awesome and anyone who says otherwise is a traitor and a liar.
Again with this portal crap.. they haven't lost anyone because at the moment it makes no sense to leave your current team because you can't enroll and the new place yet. Sam's been pushing this nonsense to as some sign that the players are bought in but in reality it just the calendar working in there favor momentarily.
I don't think he "simply changed his mind"... I think the Chargers probably upped the bid and UM didn't match so he bolted. Seems the most simple answer to me.
Sam's of course gonna say some nonsense like "it's not about the money". "Jim was never gonna lose this bidding war". "Of course he wanted to be in the NFL".. "I never said he was def back only said it seemed like he's back "... Blah blah blah because that's what it takes to sell memberships.
I already know what Sam's gonna say on Monday.
He's going to talk outta both side of his mouth and downplay it and fell you there was nothing UM could do.
Boom! insider knowledge for ya
A program coming off the most successful on field 3 year run in history and it's staff is in shambles and it's recruiting it's entirely mediocre. You people who don't realize it's money related are incredible naive.
Then why did Sam say he told the player he was coming back?
Can't wait till they announce that extension for Warde
If that's true why did he tell his players two days ago he was coming back?
Spring portal gonna be a bloodbath
College football coaching is way harder right now so if you want good coaches is definitely going to be about the money
UM acting like some low budget MAC school immediately after winning a natty is just perfect.
If UM wants good coaching they (and every other college team) are gonna have to pay up because anyone worth it is gonna have NFL options and that's obviously a better gig. Only reasons the DC is here is a lack of options.
yes, this def could be true if Moore invests more in recruiting elsewhere but its concerning that the first name I heard floated to come with Wink was another guy (Wilkins) who's also been in the NFL for over a decade
True enough. I'm also not ready to treat an anonymous vague secondhand quote as gospel.
if you're coming here to talk about Wink and the Giants but have no idea who their 1st round pick was last year I dunno what to tell ya.
And yes, it def says something about the guy when its clear the NFL doesnt want him and he was also obviously not Moore's first or even second choice
Hope he doesn't try…
Hope.
Hope he doesn't try and blitz 54% of the time
Hope he doesn't abandon C2/Q/C6 for all C1 & C0
Hope he isn't a zero in recruiting
Hope he can adapt to college environment
Hope he doesn't have to "mutually part ways" again
Hope his bad defenses the last 3 year's weren't his fault
if this happened how come none of the players are quoted or even mentioned by name?
He did not become a HC so I dunno what you're talking about.
His D took a dive (maybe because of injury..maybe not) and they clearly wanted Mac back. The fact that their public comments were incredibly vanilla is meaningless.
This would be easier to believe if there an actual player named or quoted...
I did listen to Sam but I am also not incredibly naive.
You wanna call BLT a "mutual parting" be my guest but they obviously wanted to drop him for Mac. And Wink had an incredibly public falling out with Daboll in NY. It's fact that his last two teams didn't want to hold on to him. At some point ' it's not you it's me" means it actually is you.
"Did a great job".....with Dexter Lawrence, Thibodeaux, Banks, McKinney, Ojalri, Okereke, Love, Jackson, Robinson....
He was good in 2020
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Pros:
He was good in 2020
Developed a system recent UM DCs have thrived with.
Cons:
Hasn't had a good defense since 2020
Doesnt recruit
Would rather be in the NFL but doesn't seem to have any options there
Hasn't coached in college in two decades
Neither of his past two employers wanted to retain his services.
What do people have against him???
He's old
He doesn't recruit
He hasn't coached college in 20 years
He obviously wants to be in the NFL but they don't seem to want him anymore
He's had bad defenses for the last 3 years
He clearly wasn't Moore's first choice
Neither of his last two employers wanted to keep him.
Yes... What happened 4 years is ago def more important than what happened the last two years.
"fantastic"
"From this highly arbitrary week I selected they were entirely mediocre" is certainly one data point. Here's another.
Other than " he was good with the Ravens 4 years ago" what is the pitch for Wink?
- Bad defenses ever since
- Hasn't coached college in two decades
- Very unlikely to recruit
- Public and messy relationship with his last head coach
- Seems like a holdover position till some NFL team wants him back
This just seems like they decided it had to be a Ravens guy and he was the only one left.
"he's not as bad as Dave Brandon" 😂
The very definition of "damning with faint praise"
I mean when you get a chance to hire a guy who hasn't been in college coaching for two decades and doesn't have any interest from the NFL you gotta take it! Especially when his last defense had such stellar results!
When the NFL hires all the guys who used to work for you I guess hiring the guy the NFL doesn't want anymore makes sense.....
Given Warde very recent stance on NIL any further opening up of the NIL regulations seems like it would make it even harder for UM to compete with the majority of power 2 programs for talented players.
If the current analogy is "the speed limit is 50mph but everyone else is going 75" then this seems like it just means those guy currently going 75 can go even faster.
So you don't wanna keep the guy apparently being pursued by the NFL but you do wanna hire the guy being run out of the NFL?
Sure. Things are going great 👍