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Because by staying he can …

Because by staying he can (potentially) be paid much more after next year, more than making up the difference of not getting paid for another year. Sure, if getting paid ASAP is the goal he would leave this year. But the thinking is that by staying he can increase his draft stock sufficiently that he would be getting paid much more next year (and beyond) than if he started getting paid this year. 

 

You seem to have

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying. My argument is that a blue chip recruit on a team with less blue chips is more likely to make the NFL than the same recruit on a team with more blue chips, because even if you have the potential for the NFL you'll never make it there unless you get reps and snaps. A 4-star who starts at Iowa is more likley to be drafted than the *same player* that never sees the field except during garbage time at Alabama. 

I make no statement about lesser recruits. The reason Eastern, Central, et al, don't send players to the NFL every year is because they never get the blue chip recruits in the first place. 

You left out a big one: a

You left out a big one: a team with less blue chip recruits is much more likely to give those recruits more developement resources (coaching attention) and on-field play time, making it more likely that they a) get better and b) get noticed, both of which are requirements to become NFL players regardless of how good they are in highschool. 

So what? That's the stuff

So what? That's the stuff that is *supposed* to determine the outcome of a game, not refs.

And it's not just hold a team

And it's not just hold a team to under 20, but hold them to under 20 in the face of multiple turnovers. 5 turnovers and expecting to win a game is a bad joke. 

It's pretty easy to do in

It's pretty easy to do in tennis with cameras and machine vision because you can always get a clear view of the ball and court surface. You could do it the same way for football if you make all of the players invisible. 

Of course he's gonna have

Of course he's gonna have enough money to never work again. He could have done the "never work again" thing years ago. The question is, after living and breathing football for most of his life, will he be able to stay away? 

We might have racked up the

We might have racked up the blocked punts, but given the critical penalties M's drawn (both justified and stupid) on near misses, I'm not sure this aggressiveness has really been worth it this season. 

How are you puzzled? Everyone

How are you puzzled? Everyone knew the reason from the get go - money, by way of TV markets.

Eff that. What they need to

Eff that. What they need to do is put camera on the first down marker. Seriously, why isn't this being done yet? Seems like an obvious move once you have reasonably compact wireless cameras. 

Oh wait, money > integrity. Right.

Going to disagree. For M to

Going to disagree. For M to come out as the more prepared team, that would mean M would have had to out-crazy Dantonio on his ridiculous amount of preperation he does for this game. Which would mean they're spending time better spent preparing for other teams. It's not much of a reach to say MSU probably dropped 1 or 2 games because of their focus on this game - which they lost anyway. 

We have the same claim on

We have the same claim on Stanford too though: Northwestern. And unless Stanford demolishes Utah, I daresay our win would be more impressive.

Same here. EVERYONE knew that

Same here. EVERYONE knew that Indiana would keep running until Michigan showed that it could do anything about it. Why weren't we selling out on the run and stuffing the box more? If they then beat us in the air, fine, but our secondary is lights out - make them have to fight for it on our terms. 

Obviously you don't want to

Obviously you don't want to give up the deep balls, but it's not like the coach decided to do that. As for the 4th downs, I think they were all the right call, and on balance worked out for Indiana.

Indiana was a hair's breadth from a major upset victory. I'd say the coach did quite well.

Interesting question

If it's 1st and 10 from the 20, I think it's better to get 7 than 10. The odds of scoring a TD wtih 2nd and 3 from the 13 are probably better than 1st and goal from the 10. It means you have as many as 5 shots to get 13 yards instead of 3 to get 10 (or 7/4 if you're in a situation that warrants going for it on 4th.)

If it's 2nd and 10 from the 20? Give me the first down. Don't wan to have to face 3rd down, even if it's only for 3 (if you're in a 4 down situation, maaaaybe it's better, since now you have 2 shots to get 3+, but I 'm dubious.)

Exactly

Came here to say exactly this, but you beat me to it.

Disregard, deleted my

Disregard, deleted my original post since I think I misinterpreted the scenario.

They might have been

They might have been reviewing the rulebook, to see if the play was reviewable :)

Um no. People who

Um no. People who teach/taught at a school are not alumni unless they also happened to graduate there.

And it still looks like M got

And it still looks like M got run over.

...by a motorcycle.

No worries

With Lewis, I'm not worried about any WR no matter how good unless they also have a Connor Cook in at QB to hit those impossibly tight windows.

He practices every week to

He practices every week to prepare for a possible start. That's what backups do, they have to be ready to step in in case the starter gets injured, sick, arrested, whatever. So I don't see how one more week is going to make much difference.

That said if Rudock isn't completely recovered yet, I'm OK with Speight starting. 

Woodson is off the charts

Yet again, Charles Woodson is off the charts (literally - that chart only goes to 16 years.)

And 17 years in the NFL is crazy enough, but 17 years and not a QB? Craaaazy. 

You can be both

Skeptical and hopeful aren't contradictory. You can think something's not likely to happen, but still hope that it does.

Well, if he had presence of

Well, if he had presence of mind to know that the ball was still live, he could have easily deflected the ball away without having to hit the receiver.

Well according to his wife in

Well according to his wife in that radio interview, Jim refused to wear anything else because he refused to change anything mid-course. So it might be just a game day thing. Or now that he's starting a new chapter, he's allowing other changes as well (though I'm sure many would be horribly disappointed if that were the case.)

That's Mr. Robaughto to you,

That's Mr. Robaughto to you, good sir.

People like Harbaugh tend to

People like Harbaugh tend to be crazily driven - if he feels like he's accomplished what there is to accomplish here, he may feel the need to tackle new challenges (i.e. back to the NFL.) Personally I wouldn't mind that happening since it'll probably only happen on the back of 2 - 3 national championships.

Well sure, identifying the

Well sure, identifying the guy you want was dead simple in this case. But actually getting him is quite another matter (particularly in context of the general consensus at the time which was that it would be a hard sell; though who knows, Harbaugh might have come regardless now that Brandon was gone.) 

Didn't Brian report on it? If

Didn't Brian report on it? If so it must have come from a source in the M camp.

If it was intentionally leaked, it was a shrewd move; primes the field with the "Michigan is serious" meme, and might dissuade NFL teams who didn't want to have to beat it from pursuing Harbaugh. That migth be overthinking it though.

That caught my ear too.

That caught my ear too. Pretty sure he said "I". Of course he is the AD for the interdeterminate future, so I think that's a proper manner of speaking even if he doesn't plan on actually being around. Really though, at this point do you think anyone would mind? He did such a bang-up job on the coaching search I think the posistion is his to keep, provided he actually wants it of course.

Apparently mgoblue.com is so

Apparently mgoblue.com is so excited about this announcement they have the audio feed repeating everything 2-3 times

One year does not a baseline

One year does not a baseline make. Even if you take only the recent wandering-in-the-wilderness years post 2007, the average is still not as bad as your 5-7 "baseline."

Well one might argue that

Well one might argue that having him look less sexy in the eyes of potential NFL suitors would be a good thing. Not that I personally think that really makes any difference. 

Of course that will be the

Of course that will be the expectation, but quick turnarounds are a lot easier to achieve in college, at least amonst "elite" schools - you can bring the (hitherto wasted) institutional advantages to bear, which effectively means you're competing against a lot less teams; players are more malleable, as the are still early in their formulative years; and of course a team 3 years from now will bear almost no resemblance to the current team, simply from graduation and recruiting turnover. 

Not loved yet

I don't think the question of whether he will be "still loved" is quite right - he's (desperately) wanted, which is a bit different from loved. If he comes and is successful here, then he will be loved. 

That said I doubt if most of us would begrudge him if he turns the offer down and decides he'd rather stay in the NFL. Provided he doesn't pull a dick move like stringing M along first, which I don't see him doing. 

My biggest dislike of Hoke

My biggest dislike of Hoke isn't that he didn't win enough games; it's that he completely failed to develop players. Sure, that is very much related to the failure to win games, but goes deeper than the numbers that are written down on record sheets. In particular I really feel badly for players like Gardner, who with better coaching had all the promise of a NFL career. Not saying that Hoke didn't help a lot of kids keep to the right path (the majority of whom were never going to sniff the NFL anyway,) but he also submarined those that had a chance.

I don't think it's it's that they don't like him.

Probably because people realized it's a pipe dream. And if you're going to dream, you might as well dream about the guy that actually has some chance of happeneing.

Oh please

History and Tradition and the Magnitude of the Program, with caps, is precisely the bullshit arrogance that sunk Rich Rod. Meyer doesn't have that problem with OSU because OSU, like most places, doesn't give two shits as long as you bring home the bacon. Of course M too would have overlooked much of RR's failure to kowtow to sacred cows had he won from the get go, but that was doomed by the team he inherited, as exemplified by Threetsheridammit, and the AD's stingyness with coordinator money.

Not that RR could do no wrong, of course, but I think he would have been quite successful at just about any other "Great Ship" school, and given his renewed success it's probably only a matter a time before he prooves that right.

Hate to break it to you, but...

38th nationally in recruiting is not a positive. 38th means you're below all of the schools with a pulse, and only above a gaggle of power conference bottom-dwellers and mid majors without national profiles. 38th in recruiting is decidedly negative.

That said, it not unexpectedly bad given the performance of this team, the concussion controversy, and the imminent departure of the HC. A prompt and good hire (knock on wood) will inject optimism for the future and should be able to salvage at least some of the recruiting class.

That explains a lot

So our road gameplan up until now included turning the ball over?

"Another"? We haven't been

"Another"? We haven't been rebuilding these last 4 years, we've been destructing. I'll take any number of years of rebuilding over what we have now in a heartbeat.

You had me until "Hoke wears

You had me until "Hoke wears a headset". Good joke.

Responsibility isn't zero

Responsibility isn't zero sum. The medics may have indeed failed here, but then that's more the reason Hoke needed to protect his player. He didn't. "No one told me" doesn't cut it.

Hell, I think the refs share in the responsibility too. The rule that you must be on the ground for a medical TO to be called needs to change.

Double false

The antonym of "organized" isn't "disorderly". That would be "disorganized". And disorganized does not mean disorderly. From what I've seen, the rally seemed quite orderly, even if it was disorganized. 

And I and many others would not consider Brandon being fired to be "trouble". Trying to get someone fired without reason might be "trouble", but there is ample reason here.

 

I couldn't have said it

I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

Cart before the horse

Yeah, always thought that was stupid. The only thing I can think of is the fallacy that "top tier coaches are paid top dollar; he's paid top dollar; ergo, he must be a top tier coach." Which of course is total horsecrap. It seems to happen quite a bit in the corporate world with CEO compensation though... Which, yep, Brandon.

With a new AD, the

With a new AD, the environment's actually not too terrible. Everyone responsible for the current fiasco would be gone. There would be an expectation to go back to winning, of course, but that's true for any high profile position. For all his failures, one thing Hoke has done well is recruit, so the raw ingredients for a relatively quick turnaround is there. And unlike many scandals, there's no NCAA scrutiny or potential sanctions looming (if only because the NCAA does not have official concussion regulations - though maybe this whole fracus will help change that.) So provided M clears house, there's actually reason for optimism.

Without Brandon gone though, I agree, many prospects are going to think twice about working under an AD that not only presided over this shitstorm but then threw the last guy under a bus.

Well it's possible Hoke may

Well it's possible Hoke may have been thinking the whole thing will blow over and his statements never put to the test. Seems unlikely though. More likely he convinced himself of a narrative that absolves him of responsibility, even though it looks ridiculous to most people.

Also I'm sick of hearing the "good guy" vs "poser" thing. People are complex critters, and it's never so cut and dry. He can both genuinely care about his players and be a self-serving liar. Logically incongruous, perhaps, but there you go: humans.

Well it's possible Hoke may

Well it's possible Hoke may have been thinking the whole thing will blow over and his statements never put to the test. Seems unlikely though. More likely he convinced himself of a narrative that absolves him of responsibility, even though it looks ridiculous to most people.

Also I'm sick of hearing the "good guy" vs "poser" thing. People are complex critters, and it's never so cut and dry. He can both genuinely care about his players and be a self-serving liar. Logically incongruous, perhaps, but there you go: humans.