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|3 years 49 weeks ago||Counting on fingers||
Counting on fingers
New experience for me
Not for MSU
|3 years 49 weeks ago||You’ve taken my hands||
You’ve taken my hands
My god please my hands my god
I can’t hold my juice
|3 years 50 weeks ago||Congratulations!||
Congratulations! You could of kept quiet and thought, "Its no big deal, their just commenting on the internet," but you instead decided to take a strong early lead for Worst Human Being of 2011. I salute you.
Commenting on a person's usage to make yourself feel like a special little flower is brutally pathetic. I should know because I have some questions for you regarding how exactly "The Cardinal's academic superiority" is a complete sentence.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||That horse||
That horse, which, if not dead, is in mortal danger of expiring....
|4 years 2 weeks ago||I'd have to take you up on it.||
I'd have to take you up on it. I'm in favor of giving Rodriguez one more year, notwithstanding this gaffe with this song. But have you ever been forced to listen to a really loud melodramatic ballad by someone who is moved by every word of the song? It's mortifying. What do you do? Do you make eye contact? Nod sagely like you get what the person is trying to say by playing this specific song for you?
It's another piece of evidence that Rodriguez is totally - pardon the pun - tone deaf when it comes to media relations. Should his public-relations ineptitude reflect negatively on our program? Probably not. Does it? Yep.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||Seriously. How much time...||
Seriously. How much time did you spend killing boars in some Dillon Baxter recruiting thread from 8 months ago? Your point total confuses and infuriates me. I also considered replicating your strategem, but I am unsure whether it is sad or glorious.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||Great stuff.||
Great stuff. Love seeing a U-M team exceed expectations with a great performance on the road. That was a lot more fun than I thought it would be. Also kudos to all here for a fun, snipe-free thread.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||No.||
No. You have to win a quarterstaff battle to gain entry. Clemson is old school, son!
|4 years 2 weeks ago||You got a problem, buddy.||
You got a problem, buddy. I salute you.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||SHSHSHHSHDOISUHDHSHSHSSHHHFTFHFHFHFHFSSHHHH!||
Sssh! This is why we can't have nice threads. But yeah, that's what I was trying to hint at.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||I'd be dead if...||
I'd be dead if I drank every time the PBP guy said "one and done." As if we needed more ways to use that idiom.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||Isn't it nice||
Isn't it nice to watch a U-M sporting event without getting the Fear? It's surprisingly refreshing. Hey-o low expectations.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||There are two things...||
There are two things I like about that woman. But I can't put my hands, er... finger, on them, er...it.
|4 years 2 weeks ago||I've always wanted...||
I've always wanted one of those annoying white guys like Duke and Purdue always seem to have. Metrics! We has them!
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I think I know...||
I think I know who this is. Good points here; I would have expected nothing less.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||You always seem like a relaxed dude.||
You always seem like a relaxed dude; credit goes to the avatar. I agree 100%: we have put in the pain, now why on earth would you want to give up right before reaping the rewards?
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I don't agree with you, and that's it.||
I don't agree with you, and that's it. You think U-M's record pre-RR says something about how good he is as a coach, and I don't because I don't understand how something that occurred at U-M while RR was coaching WVU should affect my judgment regarding the quality of Rodriguez's coaching. If you explain how it should affect my judgment, then I will agree with you.
On the flipside, I don't think taking Stanford from 1-11 to 4-8 says anything about Harbaugh, either. I think Harbuagh is a good coach because his teams have gotten better every year with age, same as Rodriguez's.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I agree with most of this.||
I agree with most of this. It seems Rodriguez has, contrary to the media depictions of him, a colossal lack of cunning and street smarts. He is stubborn and arrogant, which a good coach usually is. However, he lacks nuance, and when the transfer to U-M blew up like it did in the WVU press, he would have been wise to get help managing at U-M. (Note to that one dude who is mad we went 3-9 in 2008: not managing the players from the Carr era.)
Ultimately, I think the story is just writing itself too negatively for him to succeed. That is why, though, that a two-win-per-year (thus far) improvement is impressive to me. He seems to be doing it against long odds. Some people think that Michigan should be a place where everything is in your favor. In my opinion Rodriguez has ceded that advantage and is winning anyway.
That does not make him a hero: results-based decision-making still reigns. My opinion is simple: first sign of regression without first getting where we want to be (Big 10 Championship) means he is gone. It makes me sad for what could have been had the road been more smooth, though.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||See above: this proves my point.||
See above: this proves my point. You just think 3-9 should never happen at Michigan. That's fine. But the quality of the program in the season before the arrival of the new coach has almost nothing to do with the quality of said coach. As we are seeing here, though, it has a lot to do with the expectations of the fans.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I still don't think you are seeing what I am seeing.||
I still don't think you are seeing what I am seeing. Here are the records, side by side (I am no good with the tubes, so you get it without fancy charts):
Year one: 3-9 4-8
Year two: 5-7 5-7
Year three 7-4 8-5
Year four: ??? 10-1
If Rodriguez should be fired for taking a team from 9-4 to 3-9, that is a reason he should have been fired in 2008 , not a reason he should be fired now. I think Harbaugh's success in year four is an argument for keeping Rodriguez, not hiring Harbaugh. It shows what someone with a similar trajectory can do.
Your argument regarding Year Zero (the year before the first year of the coaches under consideration) is that it's hard to take a team from 1-11 to 10-1, so Harbaugh is a good coach. I agree. There is no dispute there for any rational person, let alone peope who support Rodriguez.
I do not agree that taking Michigan from 9-4 to 3-9 means Rodriguez is a bad coach.
I do not believe, further, that the Year Zero records mean that the work of Harbaugh and Rodriguez during their tenures is incomparable.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I'm not sure what you are going for here.||
I'm not sure what you are going for here. As you pointed out, Harbaugh has had one more year than Rodriguez. Their records and trajectories are remarkably similar over three years if compared fairly (first year to first year and so forth). The only extreme difference is the record of the respective school in the year immediately preceding year one of the respective coaching regimes (as has been well documented, Stanford: 1-11, U-M: 9-4).
For people using the records to say Harbaugh is a better coach than Rodriguez, for me it amounts to shoddy argumentation. People are saying, "Look, Harbaugh took a team that was 1-11 before he got there and they are 10-1 now. RR took a team that was 9-4 and cratered it, going 3-9 the next year, and they are only 7-4 and looking uncompetitive now."
That leaves out the very important fact that Harbaugh has had one more year to achieve the impressive win total (10) that makes RR look bad in comparison.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||Implicit in your comment||
Implicit in your comment is an attitude with which I take some umbrage, and that is the lingering anger over the 3-9 season. That is the crater most people are comparing to Stanford's 1-11 season. (As an aside, Harbaugh was 4-8 in his first year, which we should have been had we been able to surpass the mighty-mighty Rockets, the only game I attended that year, aiiieeeeieieieiei....). Most people are angry that 3-9 happened at the hands of Rodriguez, and the thinking is, "Wait, we can't measure expectations against a 3-9 season RR created - he gets held to the Michigan standard. That is 9 wins, minimum, which we had the year before he came."
Myself, I don't care who caused 3-9 (or even really why it happened), I just never want it to happen again. It did happen, though, and some players who contributed that season are still around. But they are now 7-4. I like that progress.
Thinking about it some more, the 4-8 in Harbaugh's first season (of four) should not be an aside. I feel like anti-RR people who are also pro-Harbaugh use 1-11 to mark the improvement of Harbaugh, when it really should be based on his first year, 4-8.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||It's not.||
It's not. It's more factual information that informs my opinion about the two coaches, that's all. I agree with you - RR has to get players and keep them. I am merely pointing out that Harbaugh's fourth year (this year, 2010) has benefitted from retaining and developing a lot of players Harris recruited.
For whatever reason, RR has had a lot more roster instability. It looks like U-M's defensive roster will suffer less of that next year. Without making any decisions about what should be done in the (more) distant future (I don't like evaluating a coaching decision now based on what I think has to happen in the future, i.e., "RR gets another year, but next year he has to have X wins," or, conversely, "RR should not get another year because next year he has to have X wins and there is no way he can get them."), I think RR should get another year to see what kind of dividends stability can pay in his fourth year.
I don't know exactly what the hell happened with Emilien and Turner. RR probably should have been able to get a DB with 75-80% of the talent of Dorsey. If we lose three secondary players (not due to injury; Woolfolk is not a part of this discussion) before 2011 starts and the defense suffers as much for it as it has this year, certainly you can't keep saying "but he has no doodz" to justify keeping him.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||Agreed. Take a look at the Stanford depth chart.||
Agreed. Take a look at the Stanford depth chart. Gerhart was already there. The offensive linemen (3 fifth-year seniors this year) who made holes for Gerhart and are giving Lueck time were also there. In fact, the 2-deep this year is littered with Harris players.
Harbaugh is a great coach, but part of the success he is having is that he has taken guys who went through the 1-11 pain and *kept* them there for four more years.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||These are great pictures.||
These are great pictures. Unfortunately, I have a hard time looking at the back side of that dorm without thinking of Courtney Cantor, who fell out of one of the rooms at the top of the "O" and died after landing on that loading dock. I was with my girlfriend that night in the room at the left-top of the "U". Woke up to police in the hall.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||I'm with the OP. I'll point out...||
I'm with the OP. I'll point out we lost to Toledo two years ago. Beating teams we "should" beat this year is an improvement. 3 of our wins are against bowl-eligible teams, 3 against non-bowl-eligible teams, and one FCS school. Pretty typical for a mediocre BCS team, which is what we are. But it's improvement any way you look at it.
Also, Harbaugh is a good coach. But Gerhart was there for the 1-11 season, not a Harbaugh recruit. Neither were the *three* 5th-year O-lineman. In fact, Stanford's lineup this year is littered with Harris guys. I think they step back BIG next year.
If U-M hires Harbaugh, which wouldn't be terrible, our team will be better than Stanford's next year. But it won't be because of the relative coaching skills of Harbaugh or Rodriguez or the next guy Stanford would have hired. It will be because of the age and experience of the teams, something that people are pooh-poohing a little too quickly here.
|4 years 3 weeks ago||In a thread filled with the pain...||
In a thread filled with the pain of fratricidal violence, this made me laugh out loud. "Expensive shiat": good show.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||Dantonio hasn't won a bowl game.||
Dantonio hasn't won a bowl game. His first year getting double-digit wins is this year, his fourth (In a year MSU doesn't have to play OSU or Indiana or any BCS-conference out-of-conference opponent). Maybe RR can have that kind of success in his fourth year.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||Harbaugh has done a great job...||
Harbaugh has done a great job at Stanford. Stanford is [somewhat] like U-M, but has fewer institutional advantages. Harbaugh would be a good coach for U of M.
Martin in 2007: RR has done a great job at WVU. WVU is [less so] similar to U-M, but has fewer institutional advantages. RR would be a good coach for U-M.
I would quibble with my assertions about how comparable the institutions are (you are probably thinking academics - I would say WVU is easier to get non-academically-oriented football players into, but Stanford has girls and weather). But the main thing Harbaugh (or fire RR) people are missing is that we are not in the post-Carr vacuum anymore. RR supporters are supporting the coach who wants to be here and continue to build on the consistent improvement that has occurred over the last two years.
Who is the best guy to coach this team right now? Rodriguez. When his team demonstrates inexplicable falloff (like if they do worse or no better next year despite having everyone back) I will agree that it is time to move on. But you don't bail on consistent improvement.
|4 years 4 weeks ago||Illinois and ND.||
Illinois and ND. Both bowl-eligible. Both comparable teams based on talent and maturity. ND is also a main rival in my book. But we have to get better! We have to improve! RR has to get this team moving in the right dir....wait. 3-9, 5-7, 7-5. Uh. Um. Yeah!