If anyone has the energy to watch again before Saturday after yesterday...whew. Deep breaths still.
World Cup Day 14 Open Thread
Talk about an exciting day yesterday.
USA wins. Check.
Germany wins. Check.
Now all I need is Italy to win and I will be a happy camper. Which brings me to my next point, if they don't pull this off I will screaming profanities for the rest of the day...
Go Slovakia! Sorry, but I think it would be fantastic to see La Azzurri on the same plane home as Les Bleus.
Actually, in most years I rather like the French team. You must be Italian to have a rooting interest for the 2010 Catenaccio Vaseline-coiffed Senior Diving Team.
Italy is a disgrace to soccer. They are one of the main reasons so many people laugh at the sport and dont follow it.
But their diving and acting is deplorable. Although the Greek dive to draw a red against NGA was probably the most offensive dive in this world cup.
I'd disagree with you and say it was the Ivorian dive against Brazil, but Brazil was doing enough flopping of their own that I didn't really feel bad for them.
Yes I am Italian and I think it's a bit harsh to say they are a disgrace to soccer.
I mean you might not like their style DC, but 4 World Cups and countless successes of their club teams speaks a lot to their role in the world soccer picture.
Lucas Neill = Badass
I'm not saying that they do not have skill and are not an international powerhouse. However, their recent antics on the field are less than respectable in my books.
I realize that most soccer fans on here are not fond of the Azzurri and that is fine with me, it's everyone's perogative. I root for them because of my heritage and I hope that they are successful in all that they do.
My heritage just kicked your heritage's ass
So far both sides have been pretty even. Slovakia is doing what they need to do to stifle Italy.
The Azzurri need to be more aggressive, but they won't.
Anyone watching the other game on right now?
Who would you rather see win? Paraguay or New Zealand.
I think if New Zealand wins they're in correct?
NZ wins and they're through, all Paraguay has to do is tie, though a win secures first place for them. I'm pulling for Paraguay, but really just because that's what I predicted in my bracket
Talk about uninspired. If Italy keeps playing like this I might just turn it off. How disappointing.
Italian soccer is a bit of a discredit to the sport though, particularly because it is undeniably successful. It's less of an issue that say, Slovenia plays a rather negative style of soccer, because they don't really win anything. The Italian air of arrogance and entitlement - borne from that winning record - exacerbates the distaste as well.
And please don't point to Serie A as a defense - corruption, hooliganism, and racism (even fascism!) currently unparalleled in the soccer world do not a feather in the cap make.
I can agree with your points. There probably is an air of arrogance in the Italian's game and that is probably due to their history of success.
You can't tell me that there isn't hooliganism elsewhere around the world. I understand corruption due to the events of 2005-2006 but there is plenty of the other things in equal number elsewhere.
Send those whiny, bitchy, flopping italians home!
I've been focusing on New Zealand-Paraguay. Rooting for a New Zealand win and a draw in the other game which would see NZ and Paraguay through.
They've been pretty defensive so far, honestly not very much has happened other than a few cards.
Talk about a man, coming back on after getting slashed in the knee. That would be a tough thing to come back and play on.
But the close up of his knee pushed that thought out of my head real quick. That was a real nasty cut, and I'd be surprised if he didn't need stitches for it.
That thing was nasty lookin! Definitely going to need stitches which they are propably doing now at the half. If he continues to play I'll be impressed.
Azzurri make two substitutions hopefully it'll provide a spark but I'm not getting my hopes up. Shoulda put Pirlo in but looks as if he'll be coming in next.
Italy just isn't taking enough dives today. Obviously not on their game.
That MUST be it. Thanks for the insight.
EDIT: Sorry just a little upset with the result haha
Well played Slovakia. They deserve all the accolades they earned through hard play. I'm not impressed with my Azzurri at all. They deserve to be on the same plane as France back home. Time to reorganize.
WE'RE STILL ALIVE!!!!!
What the hell happened there?
The Slovak keeper is very, very lucky that his punch wasn't seen by the referee. That would have been red.
The last 10 minutes are going to be frantic.
If the Italian player got hurt, it was whiplash from exaggerated recoil.
I agree completely, but as seen in the Nigeria - Greece game, it's the violent intent, rather than the result, that gets punished.
Wow... Very marginal offside call.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THESE OFFICIALS!?!?!?! GAHHHHH
(Was that really offsides?)
By a hair. Seen that not given many times, though..
I'm in a glass case of emotion right now...
And that does it.
EDIT: That's some appalling defending by the Italians.
What is happening?!?!?!?!?!
it's like a video game.
I'd rather they just finish. This time wasting is killing me.
I hope it hurts Italy. I hope this embarassment hurts. Now you have 4 years to change it.
The idea of it at least. Looking at Italy's roster, it's less so. As everyone said, too old.
I don't think age had much to do with the Italians' performance, physically. I think as they showed, they can score goals when they crank it up and feel the desperation. I think their age fueled the arrogance - we've been here before, we can do it again whenever we feel like it - and that's what doomed them. They got scored on first in every match. Maybe a few more younger players like il traditore, Benedict Rossi, would've given them that want-it factor.
Long, quiet plane ride home for the Italians, but as my dad pointed out, probably not long enough for the players' taste.
Stop posting and don't let anyone vote for you. Your points are exactly at 12345 right now - perfect.
Tough break for the Italians, but like people have said above, not shocking based on their roster.
Note: I may have negged you to keep you there on the above post so mine was still relevant. Apologies, but how can you mess with 12345?
I just up-voted him
I had a meeting and missed the apparent insanity of the match!
Glad the Italians are going home, but fair play to you, Plegerize, for accepting our Italian abuse much more graciously than I would have. I still hate the bastards, but you're obviously a good fan.
I will say, however, that from what I have read the Ultras of Serie A are the thuggiest hooligans going these days - a situation exacerbated by the connection between supporters' groups and particular political parties (which, Italy being Italy, are often pretty unsavory themselves.) I also think the fascism angle is worse in Italy than elsewhere, though surely there are also racist idiots in England, Spain, Germany, etc.
Anyway, maybe the Italians will groom a new generation of stylish, attacking players for the next WC. They'll always be .... demonstrative, but I think the rest of the world will stomach them much more easily if they play some nice soccer in between spastic gesticulations.
Hey it's all good I know it's all fair play around here - in the end we are still brothers.
Yeah there is a lot of crazy/shady stuff happening in Italy I understand that. What can I say, they love their football haha
It'll be interesting to see what they do, but I think this result was inevitable. Much like Michigan, there's a need for a culture change. I think we'll see this, not only with Italy, but with other teams like France as well. They'll reorganize and be better next time.
Not only is it great to see the cry-baby Italians go home at the bottom of their group, butthe satisfaction of knowing Valenti will be crushed makes it 10 times better.
Both defending World Cup finalists booted at the group stage and in last place no less. At least Italy showed some great flashes of skill and some heart at the end. Just think they never envisioned this happening, while their age and losing Buffon caught up with them along the backline. They are used to playing lock down defense where a goal is good enough and two turns it into a route, but they conceded five times in the three group games (only Australia and the two Korean teams have been worse defensively). Getting the old gang back together looks to have been a huge mistake (Cannavaro looks every bit of his 36, which is like 90 in football years) and they will need a massive overhaul of the team for Euro qualifying.
Alexi Lalas. I can never take him seriously as a commentator/analyst.
He just pronounced Keisuke Honda's name: KAI-SUE-KEY. Seriously? Does he read his notes, or eat them?
Fantastic goal from Honda. 1-0 Japan.
Also, poor Japanese pronunciation is like the eight millionth thing down the list of why Alexi Lalas sucks as a commentator/analyst.
Was it this guy?
What was going on after Italy's first goal?
I was in class looking down a dark lecture hall, roughly 10% of which flickered lambently with live feeds of Italy-Slovakia, when I noticed Italy scoring its first goal. Immediately subsequent to that score, it seemed like an Italian offenseman chased Slovakia's goalie into the net (the goalie having been there to remove the ball from corner netting), assaulted him, and--after getting minorly batted, rolled around on the ground in apocryphal pain. I knew I'd want to look into it on tv after getting home, but--to my surprise--no one showed or cared to talk about that jumble. So, it hasn't been clairified for me.
Can someone here please give my curiousity a hand?
They were trying to get the ball so as to run it back to the center circle and ensure the game restarted quickly, the Slovak goalie acted like the italians assaulted him to waste time. Farily common occurance all around.
Damn. 2-0 Japan on two perfectly placed free kicks. Looks like they are going through unless Denmark can come up with three in the next hour.
FK Champions of the World. Unreal.
I guess Nakamura gave them all lessons before the world cup started.
He was no Paul Hartley.
/Embittered Hearts supporter.
What happened to him after Celtic?
Paul is playing in the Championship at Bristol City and was in the Scotland squad (second half sub) for their friendly against the Czech Republic back in March. He and Skacel were magic at Hearts (won the Scottish Cup and beat out Rangers for second in the league) but the Romanov Revolution fizzled out after they flamed out in Champions League qualifying in 2006. Since then we've sold Craig Gordon, Christophe Berra, Andy Webster, and probably a few others I can't remember, never replaced them with any quality and are still somehow in massive debt. Fucking Lithuanians!
Nakamura is back playing in Japan. I think he made a stop at some mid-table Italian side for a year or two first.
I was wondering about Hartley. I remember him last when Celtic won seven straight to win the league title. That was an amazing run. After that I had no idea what happened to him.
He was kind of a late bloomer and is well into his thirties now. Great as an attacking central midfielder for Hearts and even better as a defensive/holding player for Scotland (they got placed in a qualifying group with France, Italy, and Ukraine for Euro 2008 after all three had made at least the quarterfinals of the World Cup but still came two points shy of qualifying and beat France twice).
Always been a favorite of mine and I was disgusted when Romanov sold him to Celtic. Fucking Lithuanians!!!
I'm sorry about your loss. I don't claim to be a huge fan of the Scottish league, but for some reason I enjoyed watching Celtic play. I espcially liked Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink because of his name. I was never keen on the color scheme of their jerseys, but I did like the stripes.
Assuming you aren't a Lithuanian billionaire, none of it is your fault. Just frustrating to support a club that has a parade of high quality (by SPL standards) players come through and be immediately sold because we don't have the money to pay them (Wasn't that the point of bringing in foreign billionaires to own the team? Because they HAVE money?). You can now add Andy Driver to the list since he looks set to join Burnley (a donkey relegated club like Burnley) for a fee of three million pounds. Yet somehow we are in debt despite being cheap. It is frustrating enough playing for third in the shadow of the Old Firm, but when we shoot ourselves in the foot it just drives me nuts.
I really want the Danes to go through (sentimental memories about their early 90s team) so this is getting exciting. Bendnter needs to stop acting like a hero and get in the box, his lack of postional discipline is getting on my nerves.
Amazing how the different continents have fared. So far South America has looked tops, with Asia and North America looking good. Europe and Africa have done horribly:
South America: 5 teams in world cup - Brazil (1st in group), Argentina (1st), Uruguay (1st), Paraguay (1st), Chile (1st)
North America: 3 teams - US (1st), Mexico (2nd), Honduras (4th)
Europe: 13 teams - France (4th), Netherlands (1st) , Greece (3rd), England (2nd), Slovenia (3rd), Germany (1st), Serbia (4th), Denmark (3rd), Slovakia (2nd), Italy (4th), Portugal (2nd), Spain (2nd), Switzerland (3rd)
Africa: 6 teams - South Africa (3rd), Nigeria (4th), Ghana (2nd), Ivory Coast (3rd), Algeria (4th), Cameroon (4th)
Expectation: 2 teams (since host had always passed to next round)
It'd be interesting too see how it compares to past competitions. The major European powers always struggle in non European World Cups but it seems more pronounced this time, but then again it could just be that Italy and France were particularly awful.
nice exageration Agger, must have learned a thing or two playing with Gerrard.
Lucks out when the rebound bounces right back to him. Denmark still need two more to advance. I'm at least hoping for some excitement down the stretch.