Woodson : Michigan Not Emphasizing OSU Game Enough
Woodson: UM not emphasizing Ohio State game enough https://t.co/xtJ3VsoqbA via @detroitnews
— angelique (@chengelis) May 19, 2018
Woodson: UM not emphasizing Ohio State game enough https://t.co/xtJ3VsoqbA via @detroitnews
— angelique (@chengelis) May 19, 2018
This is true and this will change this year. Things already being done in this regard.
Harbaugh has emphasized this, but not enough.
Hoke just couldn't coach.
Rich Rod.... we'll we won't go there.
I think it was emphasized plenty the last two seasons. In '16 Speight unfortunately made some critical errors and the refs absolutely hosed us. Last year we were a mediocre QB away from winning on an amazing gameplan.
Win those and no one is making these kind of statements. Also, OSU has been pretty good at football, which doesn't help.
I think it was as well, but what we see and hear is definitely not on par with what Woodson sees and hears so who knows.
agreed. the last two seasons it was fine. last year a competent QB wins the game for us. 2 years ago, in the show and it came down to a 4thdown call...
we are on the cusp of winning despite injuries and a talent gap. that tells me the coaches are working their butts off. we come out of Columbus with a W this year.
All criticism is valid when the rivalry has become such a nightmare. But yea, the last 2 years the QB play has been the difference. Of course, QB isn't an incidental detail.
Agreed. This is one narrative I can't get behind. You're telling me a guy who played for Bo and called his shot as a senior vs them in '86 wouldn't know to emphasize it?
It seems to me like there is a bit of a lack of emphasis, like we turn our noses up at the lengths they go to focus on the game, with crossing out M's and calling us TTUN, but it works for them. I really think people underestimate players taking on the attitude of the fans, if you watched the Amazon series you'd know the players read more stuff on here than you'd think.
We didn't win all those games in the 90s only because we had better players or game plans, it was Cooper couldn't motivate his teams that week, he was nervous the whole week and his players even said so.
Twice now under Harbaugh we've come out firing but wilted at critical moments. Actually three times, after we got called for roughing the punter in 2015 the wheels fell off, we couldn't stop anything they did.
I love Woodson but I think you're right. The players are engaged. If there is a lack of emphasis its at the fan level. I've been in Columbus for "The Game" as well as Ann Arbor. The level of outright vitrol in Columbus is near insanity. The impressive thing is that this intense hatred for UM has not subsided one bit despite the near dominance over the last 15 yrs. On the other hand, UM fans sell thier tickets to OSU buyers for home match-ups allowing a high % of scarlet representation in the stands. This doesn't take place at the shoe. The level of discomfort that is being felt as a UM fan attending a game in C-Bus versus what Buckeye fans feel in Ann Arbor isn't even close. Hopefully some series wins will start to change all this. The UM fan base has simply been beat up and the catastrophic loses to some of our rivals lately hasn't helped.
Since 2011, Michigan has won once, but been within a touchdown of winning in a; but two of the other games. An OT loss with some questionable calls or non calls. A bad QB game, a bad 2 pt conversion call, and a horrible second half adjustment are what separate michigan going 1-6 vs 5-2. I don't think Hoke or Harbaugh did not emphasize the importance of the game. Michigan needs to start winning these close ones. They did in the 90s, they need to start now. I don't think there will be a Michigan blowout game for a while.
This has been true of MSU for many of the past 10 years as well.
Like they should be with the this staff and it shows.
The way players were acting during the MSU game on Amazon series tells me just that, they all just acted like nothing was wrong and had no fire, except Gary.
I don't think we should be talking about how much we emphasize MSU and OSU until we beat MSU and OSU.
How You Remind Me of Pat
This.
We had th team to win 2 out of the last 3 years but we went into a shell at the end.
I really don’t think emphasis is the problem and I’m disappointed in his comments.
I think the gameplan and majority of the the play on the field was good enough to win in the last couple of years. What he might be eluding to is the attitude, which has seemed very tame recently, especially leading up to the game. You hear the players and the coaches say things like "We'e just treating this like another game" or "One game at a time, this is just the next one." That's all well and good, and I'm a firm believer in letting your play do the talking, but maybe a little fire in their attitudes could help this team close when it matters.
I'm sure to some of you, this may sound silly, but a lot of winning is in the mindset. I think it's been difficult to have that mindset going into The Game over the last decade because the team has won so little. I'm not saying I want Harbaugh to guarantee wins like he did as a player, but I wouldn't mind him (and other coaches/players) acknowledging the importance of The Game and showing some fire leading up to it. It's not a sure fire way to win, but it definitely makes things more fun for the players and the fans. MSU has had this attitude against us for the last decade, and it has worked pretty well.
I just want to see some fire and attitude. That's all.
Exactly. This "don't give them bulletin board material" talk is nonsense. After his first loss to us when most of us considered MSU and Dantonio a joke he flat out said "Can you hear my tone? This game is an important game, so if they want to mock us so be it, but it's not over, and I'm gonna coach here for a long time." Tressel flat out called his shot when he was introduced as coach, and backed it up. Someone must have forgot to put that stuff on the bulletin board.
I've never been a fan of the "Coach _____ doesn't understand the importance of _____ rivalry" crowd (or some variant, like the ones that talk about emphasis). I'm sorry to see Woodson in that group of people.
Harbaugh publicly has treated OSU as if it's any other game, it simply isn't. Come the fuck on.
The brilliant gameplans the last two seasons prove otherwise.
Brilliant or not they didn't result in a victory. There used to be three columns in the weekly standings, Wins, Losses, and Ties. Ties are no more and with them any semblance of there being moral victories.
Thanks for your insight.
You're welcome. I thought somebody should disabuse you of the notion that brilliant game plans equal victories.
You are right that brilliant game plans do not equal victories, however, brilliiant game plans do at least indicate that the coaching staff does take it seriously though.
Beating our despised rivals are dim or at best emotional on the subject.
Edit. If you read the context it’s more a call to arms vs an indictment of current players and coaches.
There is a difference between going public and giving OSU bulletin board material, and keeping the intensity in house for the team to see. He doesn't want to give OSU anything but I'm sure he's like a raging fire building up to that game.
He’s also publicly treated the QB competitions as dead even even though they clearly haven’t been. Harbaugh doesn’t reveal anything publicly. That doesn’t mean the rivalry isn’t emphasized in the locker room
Hoke couldn't coach but, since 2003 he is the only Michigan head coach that can say he led a Michigan team to victory over Ohio State. Okay, okay, people will now say that game doesn't count because OSU had an interim coach and was down half a dozen players. To that I ask, does OSU not count wins over Michigan that were coached by Rich Rod and Brady Hoke? Does OSU not count their loss to interim coach, Lloyd Carr?
what?
You tell us coach.
MSU among others racked up victories against OSU while Pryor, Posey, Heron, Adams were suspended for the first 5 games of the season. Posey was out for other reasons for more games but came back for the Michigan game and two others.
I get a little miffed when Spartan fans mention Dantonio's first victory 10-7 over an OSU team missing four starters and I think a few others (Whiting, Thomas).
So Michigan probably played against the strongest roster OSU was able to field that year.
Also beat Urban’s team In Indy in 2013 and in Columbus in 2015. Can’t get miffed at their success vs Buckeyes. They got smoked last year however.
Hey, no problem giving Dantonio and MSU proper respect. That Big10 championship game was one of beauty if you are an MSU fan.
Major point is that Buckeyes limped though most of that season but was some how able field their best team against Michigan. Some people are ignorant and think MSU's victory at Columbus was more significant than Michigan's victory at home but MSU basically played the OSU JV team.
Also beat Urban’s team In Indy in 2013 and in Columbus in 2015. Can’t get miffed at their success vs Buckeyes. They got smoked last year however.
do you not remember the play with maybe a minute left in the game when the osu receiver was 10 yards behind the michigan corner and braxton miller overthrew him on what would have been the winning td? they were lucky to win that game.
And if OSU is “lucky” and wins, do you count that as something other than a loss for UM?
I distinctly remember that play and I was on track for a heart attack. But the throw was rushed due to the great and and almighty Michigan defensive front (especially that one guy coached by Hoke.) On the other hand, if that play was in the first quarter few would remember it.
There are dozens of "lucky" plays in any given game.
Will the fans turn on Woodson or Harbaugh first ??
Let's just funnel the blame towards Rodriguez, Borges, and Hoke instead.
Why funnel the blame towards Hoke ? He emphasized beating Ohio the most
And since 2003 the only Michigan HC with a victory over OSU.
We should fire Harbaugh and rehire Hoke!
You're a cum twat and honestly you should be banned. I don't care if it's an act or not.
well that was certainly a hasty escalation.
Why don't you just eat shit and die.
Say cheese and die was a pretty decent Goosebumps book
Welcome to Camp Nightmare or GTFO
Why does the board tolerate these "two" posters. If you think Woodson is correct or not, there are ample points of view on both ( or an infinite number of ) sides. Calling some one a twat or saying someone should die because of an outsiders opinion of how Harbaugh coaches for OSU is not balanced. I am all for humor and witty banter, but that is not what I perceive from MK and Corundum.
They should get their shit together or we as a group should neg them until they mature or leave. I love this blog, life is too short for death threats and equating people to genitalia.
Btw, I love the first amendment so I'm conflicted as well....
Lol it was sarcasm about unnecessary escalation. Get your shit together.