Way OT - Your favorite conspiracy theories
WD's mushroom induced alien life thread has me thinking about conspiracy theories.
Do you think the government is hiding the existance of aliens from us? Maybe that Oswald didn't act alone? What's your favorite conspiracy theory?
I typically don't believe in them, since most people are stupid and it's hard for them to keep secrets, even at the point of a gun.
However, part of me thinks that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked (the British knew for sure as they had already cracked the Japanese naval codes). Although, if he knew an attack was going to happen, why leave the battleships there? Surely the country would have been just as outraged if some destroyers, cruisers, and other smaller ships were sunk instead.
Extraterrestrials probably are better people than Earthlings and are appalled at how we treat each other.
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Edgar Mitchell said they were disabling nuclear weapons during the Cold War. Heard it from multiple people.
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Is this real life?
....is this just fantasy
caught in a landslide
no escape from reality!
open your eyes
look up to the skies and seeee....
Why did the aliens stop disabling nuclear weapons? Why do the aliens approve of mass genocide but not potential nuclear attacks?
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Rather, they'd have made the much more logical decision to simply wipe the planet clean of the pest that is humanity.
they want to eat our brains.
So you are shitting on all of the MICHIGAN engineering grads who over many years have applied their knowledge, skills, and acumen to help develop this country's arsenal. Like Kelly Johnson, the originator of the famed Lockheed Skunkworks, the most famous aerospace engineer (maybe other than Burt Rutan). Instead of believing thousands of UM grads helped come up with our nation's technologies -- you think they just stole it from some crashed spaceship?
Eff you.
Francis.
You're probably one of the aliens we stole it from and your just feigning anger about the engineers to throw us off your scent. Well played.
I don't doubt that there is intelligent life somewhere else in the universe. But I don't think it's made it here.
And even if intelligent life does make it here there is virtually no chance that it would interact peacefully with us. Because if extraterrestrials have the technology to make it to earth, that means they're way ahead of us.
If you find an ant hill out in a field, there are a few things you might do. You might study it, if you're a scientist. You might ignore it, because it has virtually no importance for your life. You might destroy it, if it's in your way or if you're feeling cruel. But the one thing you almost certainly won't do is attempt to communicate with the ants, or trade with them, or offer them gifts.
Similarly, there is basically nothing we can offer an alien civilization that is so far ahead of us as to travel light-years across space to make it to earth. Therefore, our interactions with hypothetical aliens likely would not be pleasant for us.
won't tell their home planet about us. They know Harbaugh would be declared Galactic Emperor if the rest of the galaxy finds out he exists.
Hence the EUTM........
Ours may be much more pleasant and polluted too, who knows.
Seems like a pretty good place to put under their yoke.
(Cue Vader voice over...)
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L. Ron Hubbard is that you???
/jk WD
This is probably going to get semi political but fuggit
9/11.
I have no idea what happened on that day, but I do know that there is far more to the story than the American people have been told.
I'm genuinely curious, what is this conspiracy?
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During the Six Day War Israel repeatedly attacked the USS Liberty
The Conspiracy is that a few select groups of people have made billions of dollars because of events that happened on 9/11. Also that American Foriegn Policy has been dictated for the last 15 years by events that happened on 9/11 and the American People still don't know the full story.
Is this something you seriously believe or are just mentioning for purposes of this thread?
No, I seriously believe.
Helped to push through the Patriot Act. There was almost 0 opposition to Bush with the "rally around the flag" effect after 9/11 - could've passed legislation demanding we all speak Portugese and it would've passed.
Stating that "people have made billions of dollars because of events that happened on 9/11. Also that American Foriegn Policy has been dictated for the last 15 years by events that happened on 9/11 and the American People still don't know the full story" isn't really a conspiracy. I think most people would agree that its true.
The conspiriacy is that it was an "inside job" and the US Gov new it was happening, that explosives were in the towers, and it was a missile, not an airplane, that hit the Pentagon.
You mostly have it right. What I have read (and choose not to believe to maintain sanity) is that explosives were put in place to ensure the job was finished. The planes were adequate missles themselves.
The real problem is building 7. Building 7 makes my heart go to a very dark place and supports a lot of crazy ideas.
I have a real hard time with #7 as well, especially considering the occupants of that building.
that we don't know.
I do think that people took advantage both financially and politically of the events of 9/11. But people have taken advantage of tons of tragedies. Like the singer or rapper who made a bunch of money off of the Haiti relief fund. I don't think that it's a consipracy. I think human nature makes people good and want to help others in need, and there are those out there who are willing to take advantage of people's goodness.
Don't you dare talk shit about Wyclef Jean
I drank sangria in Miami right next to his lamborgini on spring break in 2001.
Also talked to Pauli Shore and guys from some Canadian boy band. And that there is the entirety of brush with "celebrities".
Unlike most conspiracy theories, in which the motive of the conspirators is very unclear or even absurd, in this case we know for sure that the Bush/Cheney administration had designs on invading Iraq from long before 9/11 occurred--so causing or allowing the attacks to happen would have been their sort of Reichstag fire that provided the political capital they needed. Still, the fact they had a motive doesn't mean they caused it--it's much more likely (IMO) the attacks happens on their own and the administration just took advantage.
I guess personally I feel similarly to Darker Blue and Timmmay: I don't really buy into any of the particular theories, but I am also not satisfied with the official accounts. I believe there is much more to the story, but even if more details do come out I don't see how we'd ever be able to separate the fact from the fiction.
The US had been engaged in operations against Iraq through enforcing the no-fly zone and other various and sundry low-level pursuits ever since the end of the first Iraq war. If Bush and Cheney were so hell bent on invading Iraq, there were plenty of opportunities to start something there that didn't involve killing thousands of US citizens, destroying a national symbol in the US' most important city, and introducing a recession. Sorry, that just doesn't pass the smell test, whether you want to apply a moral or a logical lens to it.
I do buy that there were some high level Saudi's who knew something about it and have subsequently been protected due to realpolitk concerns, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.
research Operation Northwoods, cooked up in the 50's and 60's, a verified attempt at a false flag mission to spark war with Cuba. 9/11 narrative is full of flags for similar motive by the US. Just do the research.
I agree there is a lot more than meets the eye. I don't really buy the controlled demolition theories out there, but I do think the Saudi monarchy was deeply involved, and that it is well known at high levels of our own government. And a lot of other tangential things that I won't go into here.
I do think we shot down flight 93.
Fighter jets were seen in the area immediately before the crash.
Also, I remember hearing about some major shorting of airline stocks during that time, so my thought is that some big money people (probably the Saudi's) knew what was coming.
No, I don't think the US Govt. was behind the whole thing. I just think we'll never know who actually was because that would mean we'd have to invade (whatever country, probably Saudi Arabia).
Yeah, I have read about the stock shorts at that time, and a bunch of other really interesting and probably very nefarious things related to the whole mess. There are some really well done documentaries out there for anyone who cares to look. They make a strong case that we really don't know jack shit about what really happened, and it goes to the highest level of government. I really don't know what to believe, honestly.
edit: goddamnit, now I'm going to have to go watch them again to refresh myself...
thanks, wd.
Gary Condit orchestrated the events of 9/11 to draw everyone's attention away from his murder of Chandra Levy.
And the sharks - don't forget about the rash of shark attacks that summer.
Saudi's funded it for sure. That's why the 28 pages of the 9/11 report haven't been released, and most likely never will be seeing as how a large portion of our next president's campaign is funded by them.
and the crash of flight 93, there was a report that Air National Guard fighter jets had been scrambled from the Pittsburgh airport.
I heard that once on CNN and never heard a reference to it again.
You may be right about flight 93.
Here's the thing about Flight 93. I believe it was clearly shot down. And given the events leading up to it, shooting it down would have been viewed as totally reasonable by the masses at the time.
So what did we do? Cover it up. "Let's Roll" narrative.
If they lied about something as (relatively) benign as that, it begs the question about what else are they lying about, or at a minimum, concealing.
Specifically:
No video of the pentagon crash, even though it was easily one of the most survailed buildings in the entire world.
No independent testing on the WTC metal -- shipped immediately overseas.
Does anyone remember the original reports when the Taliban and al Queda denied a role in the event and then turned 180 degrees a couple days later?
The whole aftermath seemed like a rush to judgement with minimal transparency.
Exactly.
The "loose change" doc covers a lot of that as well, worth a look.
Not to say that ALL of it is necessarily true, however in viewing that and looking at all the evidence, part of it is true and impossible to deny. The degree of involvement of our govt, or foriegn governments is the key there. Folks who deny everything, at least IMO are not looking at all the facts.
"Loose Change" is a fantastic documentary on the subject.
of flight 93, on scene video evidence shows nearly no debris; bodies, seats, misc. items, I believe in regard to that flight, we've been hoaxed.
Well I think its probably inappropriate to get into some 9/11 shit but you're right that we didn't get the whole story.
On SUnday, 60 Minutes re-ran a segment they did about alleged Saudi involvement in helping some of the hijackers get settled in the US and prepare for the attacks. Several pages (28 I think) of the Senate's 9/11 report that supposedly detail these connections have been blacked out and remain under seal by court order. Some members of Congress have been fighting hard to find out what's in those pages.
I don't trust the Saudis one bit and I don't understand why the US treats them as an ally.