A billion people in India don't care for your opinion
Way OT: Indo-Pak Cricket WC Semifinal
Actually, most all of India is shut down right now, watching the match. I was there during the earlier group matches and everything is at a standstill when India plays.
And you can bet anything you like that even in the poorest of the poor areas, there is a crowd gathered around a single, small, flickering tv screen. India is really a single sport nation.
You do know that televisions exist in India right? And there are even these things called television channels that broadcast the game to a TV. So yeah, am sure a couple of people over there managed to figure out these fancy tv things and tune into a game or two.
Seriously. Have you ever been there? That might have been the case maybe 20 years ago. But things are a lot different today. A far greater percentage of the population has access to TVs. Even if only 50% of them watch a tv, that is still twice the population of the entire US.
And lowest caste?! That's like saying African-Americans have never been to a school in this country. Might have been true 200 years ago, but it certainly isn't true today. I grew up in India, and we had students from every caste/religion in my class. Hell the Indian cricket team has plenty of people from lower castes, and from poorer backgrounds. Despite what you might thing, there is such a thing as upward mobility in India. I am not saying the country is without its ills, but it is not exactly a bunch of wandering tribes in the sahara.
that African Americans have never seen a school. C'mon dude, 99.9% of the world has seen a television.
Talk about upward mobility. President Obama's grandfather was born into a stone age culture in Africa, two generations later you have the President of the United States. Pretty amazing.
wow here's a shock, aaamichfan running his mouth about stuff he has no idea about.....
Sure India is still considered a 3rd world country, but they're not living in the dark ages.
The world cup brings a completely different level of intensity to the sport; as an Indian myself, the India-Pakistan game rivals the Michigan OSU rivalry, the game today was essentially the world cup game for both teams, similar to the M-OSU 2006 1 vs 2 matchup
Cricket is pretty fun to watch actually... especially if you know the rules. And seeing a test in person is a lot of fun. My suggestion is to find someone that knows the rules and drink a case of beer with them as you watch a test. Even if you don't end up liking it, at least you'll be drunk.
Golf just called to say "wtf about me bro?"
Point taken, but at least cricket requires athleticism. I could never respect golf because of John Daly.
Also, how much variance is there in golf? Dudes hit 18 golf balls into 18 holes and if it's a major tournament, they hit another 18 golf balls into the same 18 holes for a few days. I don't have a problem with golf personally, other than the yawn factor.
You haven't played much golf have you? And I never understood the argument that people running equals entertainment.
Who said anything about PLAYING golf? The whole discussion is about WATCHING sports on TV. Watching and playing ANYTHING are completely different experiences, including the so-called "boring" sports.
Playing has a lot to do with it. People saying crap like that usually are completely ignorant of the skill involved because they haven't done it and it doesn't appear athletic. And so they consider it "boring" to watch. I was also more referring to his statement of having no respect for golf because it is "unathletic."
I play golf, but watching an entire round on TV will eventually bore me to tears.
My throat's already hoarse from yelling at the TV for the past 5 hours.
Also, awesome to see at cricket thread on Mgo :)
I think Nehra for Ashwin was a terrible, terrible decision. Inexplicable based on both their performance in the tournament so far, and the way the pitch has behaved today.
Definitely a bad decision to keep Ashwin out, but give Afridi - and Wahab Riaz - credit for taking advantage. Even the commentators seemed surprised by the pitch.
No matter how this match ends - what a day for Riaz.
Haha. The innocuous seeming Yuvaraj does it again! I think we (I am assuming you are an Indian supporter) have edged ahead now.
Yuvraj has been stellar! And Nehra just bowled a pretty good over himself
How does one even watch this thing? And by that, I mean, where can i find a link?
There are sites that are streaming it - but you have to pay. The WC, especially a semifinal, and ESPECIALLY, India-Pakistan, is way too much $$ for them to let you watch it for free.
I know the IPL had a youtube channel that broadcast matches live. unfortunately I don't think any such thing exists for the World Cup.
There are plenty of free links out there. For instance -
Stage could be set for Afridi though.
that looks a lot like the basketball graphs that have become popular in the past year or two (points vs. time). A quick look at their runs vs. overs graph makes it clear to a total cricket novice like me that Pakistan looks to be in big trouble.
I wonder if folks on this blog realize this match will probably be viewed by about 10X more people worldwide than this year's Super Bowl, which I believe was the highest-rated ever.
That said, when you take the politics and international rivalry out of it, I can't stay interested for the pure sport. It's a little like baseball-- fun to watch a deathmatch like Yankees vs. Red Sox in the ALCS, but otherwise, can't get into it. Wish I could. Looks loaded with strategy, but it's not built for people with short attention spans.
Compelling article front-paged on ESPN, though, titled "Why You Should Care About Cricket". Interesting read.
and decided to try to bring Pakistan back on his own. Still a lot of cricket left!
on Duckworth-Lewis I think.
But with Afridi to come in next I think this is basically even-stevens right now.
Ok. This stadium music is starting to get pretty annoying.
I'll pile on and say they could have really used Ashwin today. Run rate isn't bad...of course as I type that, Pakistan hits a 6. Ugh- they really need a wicket here
Well, as long as Nehra doesn't give away the game again, things are looking good. So far.
And as I type this, Harbhajan comes through!
Justin.tv had a link for yesterday's NZ vs Sri Lanka semi-final. Watched the last hour for free, video a little choppy but way ahead of cricket365.com's game tracker.
Also fun to have a browser open to :
You can watch the odds change virtually per bowl, certainly per over.
cricktime.com is a good working link
btw cricket isn't boring, in fact 20/20 cricke is way more energetic and difently more entertaining than baseball ( golf > baseball)
ODIs have enough contained excitement for our short attention spans too, but yes 20/20s are as exciting, short, and very very similar to the punch delivered in hockey and football games.
yeah i still feel odi is the best way to measure the strength of the team (test matches take way too long), but if they want to expand cricket into other countries, then 20/20 is the way to go.
world cup odi is greatest excitement compared to all other forms of cricket, btw
all I'm going to say is HUH? interesting sports but it is confusing as hell
Indians might say the same about traditionally american sports.
The most OT sports topic we have had, no doubt.
That said, India looking pretty good right now. Still could be a nailbiter...GO INDIA!!!
definetly very ot, but wouldn't be interesting to integrate cricket into college main stream sports? imagine um cricket, our large asian population would finally come in handy in terms of sports!
Seem to be plenty of India fans (yes!) but I wonder if there are any Pakistan supporters here? Awfully quiet from the other side.
Pakistan supporter right here.....though I don't really follow cricket.
Both Pakistan cricket and Michigan State sports have not been doing so well lately. Good WC game though, hope you watched it!
Close to 8 now. Surprised Afridi sent in Razzaq instead of himself to bat. Last wicket was clutch by Bhaji!
Afridi is saving himself for the final powerplay! I am still nervous about him. He always seems to save his best for us.
And as I type this, Razzaq is gone!!!! Damn. It is now all down to Afridi! Misbah seems to be in some kind of trance. But he is capable of some serious damage as well. But one more wicket and it might be time to prepare for some celebrations.
Well, I get cricket now...definately a lot of passion inside that stadium.
Shit or bust for Pakistan.
Wooo indeed! One more wicket!
damn, afridi is up, if we can get this guy out, the game is in our hands
and furthermore Boom.
Fuck this is tense.
Time for him to take a wicket...
zaheer is the man to depend on these type of situations
If India pull this out, in my opinion one of the big differences between the sides would have been the discipline. Pakistan's bowlers are probably more talented, but in 39 overs we have given away 1 (ONE) extra. And we haven't dropped any of our catches. That's been one of the big improvements in the Indian team under Kirsten. What we lack in raw natural talent, we make up for with being disciplined and playing as a team.
Need to stop this partnership!
Looked like Nehra got that!
deeply respect the fact that he didn't try to act out a catch. he was honest and thats the true definition of sportsmanship
I think he was being a gentleman. If he celebrated though, even if it was wrong, I think the TV umpire would have agreed and given it...can't tell either way.
Don't like Mumbai, I still say Bombay, way cooler. I root for the Paki's cause I like saying Paki
The match has to be over. Please no more twists. I don't think I can take it.
DAMN WE GOT HIM OUT!
Bhaji strikes again! w00t
Not over yet...come on India, let's not choke this away
I take it all back. Great over! And a wicket!
Same here. Somehow Dhoni's decisions always seem to come off. Swapping in Raina for Pathan in the previous match looked like a stroke of genius. Here, I still think Ashwin would have been the better choice, but Nehra has far exceeded expectations.
Was an Azhar fan growing up...somehow never felt the same with Dhoni, but I'm coming round. Slowly, I admit.
Me too. Great performance!
...Wickets to go!
with 8 wickets down and needing 12 an over.
One more wicket to go. Nehra shows Umar Gul how to bowl a reverse swinging yorker.
I never thought I would type that sentence today :D
Kind of dangerous no? Given the Nehru/Gandhi family history? At an India-Pakistan game and a potential India-Sri Lanka match up coming up?
The metal detectors in that country are essentially just for show.
But India's bowlers really stepped up today, after what felt like an underwhelming offensive performance
But it's not over yet! They can stil prove us wrong.
Great bowling performance...whew
I think they ought to move the final to Madras instead. Congratulations to India, and way to make it memorable, Afridi and Pakistan. No reason to hang your heads.
Sri Lanka here we come!
Can we get a game thread for that too?
But I won't be able to start it. I'm pleasantly surprised by the number of MGoCricketFans though - maybe start one for the major test matches too? hahaha
So is this basically the only sport people in India play/follow? I'm surprised India isn't more competitve in other sports, just given its huge population base.
Or lack thereof, to be accurate. Up until a few years ago, and especially before the run up to the Commonwealth games, very little money was directed into furthering sports. The New York Times had a number of great articles on the topic about a year ago. There are more pressing matters in India, frankly, and what little money went to sports ended up funneled into people's pockets. But things have changed: there is a lot more awareness, money, training from international coaches and organizations, and new facilities, which may make India more competitive in sports other than cricket.
Yeah, I suppose India does have greater priorities at the moment than building lots of sports facilities.
Are there any other big spectator sports in India?
and field hockey is fairly popular. Indians love their F1 (and surprisingly the Indy 500 too).
But nothing even approaches cricket.
Yeah, I forgot about racing in my reply below.
Not on the scale of cricket --- that's why there is an Indian Premier League that all other internationals play in. But hockey (not the ice kind) and tennis are also quite popular, and I know schools play basketball, volleyball and baseball too. Believe it or not, there are larger television audiences for chess matches and trivia/quiz contests than these other minor sports. At least, this was true when I grew up near India in the early 90s --- I guess thanks to Anand for the former, and Cadbury's Bournevita Quiz contest for schools for the latter.
As a South Asian Michigan football fan, here's a bit of context: Pakistan beating India in a World Cup elimination match on its home turf would have been like winning a Game 7 of the NBA Finals, the World Series, and the Stanley Cup Finals on the road against a bitter rival as a double-digit underdog. Combined.
In short, the India-Pakistan cricket rivalry is like Michigan-Ohio State on steroids, cocaine, and speed, topped off with a half dozen Red Bulls.
since I don't think that Pakistan's being given enough credit --- yes, Pakistan winning would have been a slight upset, and a shocking one to Indians because of the home advantage, but Pakistan was not that much of an underdog. They are, and have historically been, a very good team. Certainly the excitement and import of an India-Pakistan meeting is all that FrankMurphy said and more, but an upset was certainly possible.
Right, I just meant in terms of the excitement factor. Pakistan has always had a strong team and was only a slight underdog in this match, but they've never beaten India in a WC match before and the magnitude of pulling out a semifinal victory on India's home turf would have been every bit as big as a colossal upset.