The Truth About Saturday’s Loss

Submitted by Shakespeare on November 1st, 2020 at 10:36 AM

I think everyone is overreacting a bit to the loss yesterday for a number of reasons. Yes, I will admit there were a lot of bad coaching decisions in that game (clock mgmt, play calling, etc.) but I think what no one is saying or admitting to themselves is that the team didn’t underperform. I think what happened is the team overperformed against Minnesota and thus somehow put a spell on us and fooled us into believing this had the potential to be a championship season. 
 

Sure we were 22 point favorites at home, but that’s the result of a confluence of things happening last week that we all should have been able to see were a bit flukey. 
 

No one EVER thought this years team had the potential to compete for the Big Ten title before the season started, and yet we all shifted our expectations based on one incredible win to start the season. 
 

With the amount of talent and experience we lost from last year to this year plus the loss of two players opting out due to COVID (Nico Collins, Ambry Thomas) who seem to have left us with the biggest holes we have: a press coverage CB and a big playmaking receiver, this was always going to be an uphill battle of a season. 
 

Let’s stop with the histrionics about bulldozing Schembechler Hall and start being rational and realistic. Yes mistakes were made by the coaching staff yesterday. But no, this wasn’t a perfect season ruined. This was always going to be a 5-4 type weird season so let’s just buckle up and hope we see some player development. 

Michiganfansince97

November 1st, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^

Wanna know what's weird?

Earlier during the week of the Minnesota game, before we played Minnesota, I had a dream where we completely dominated the gophers.

Then during this last week, I had a dream where State completely dominated us.

It's just so weird.

BlueInGreenville

November 1st, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^

I've always been on the side of retaining Harbaugh because I didn't think we could find better, but Saturday changed my mind.  I'm sick of watching a team that can't avoid stupid penalties, can't execute a screen pass, can't get a guy open more than 7 yards downfield, gets constantly RPS'd on offense, can't develop an above average college QB and can't seem to fill holes on defense with talented freshman and sophomores when it really matters.  Every other good college football program in America does those above things.  There are just too many problems for this to work and the trend is bad.  I don't know what's wrong with Harbaugh, but if he sticks around this ends in a 3 or 4 win season in a couple of years and it's going be embarassing for everyone.

chezfeld

November 1st, 2020 at 10:46 AM ^

It’s embarrassing right now. We’re in year 6. Haven’t you seen enough to think maybe they’re not going to get there with this guy? 
 

We just lost to a team that seven days earlier got housed by Rutgers while Ohio state just won their tenth consecutive road game against ranked opponents. He’s out of time 

Shakespeare

November 1st, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^

I hear you. All I can say is that I’ve seen a lot more out of these six years than I did during the 10 years prior. I think we have to be level headed about our assessment, not emotional about it. We were going to lose some games this season. We all knew that or at least should have known that. Let’s wait and see what happens. Harbaugh is a good coach. Maybe not as good as we all hoped he’d be. But he’s not Brady Hoke. 

BlueTimesTwo

November 1st, 2020 at 11:27 AM ^

If the best defense of our coach is that we already knew he was going to put a bad team on the field, then I don’t know what to say.  I think Harbaugh is a good guy, but he’s not THE guy.

No discipline and no fire, leading to underachieving, again.  It’s Groundhog Day, because we have this conversation every year and nothing changes.

mgogogadget

November 1st, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^

Neither of those are impressive wins, by any reasonable measure. Any of Harbaugh’s six teams would win either of those games. Harbaugh brought the program back to a very respectable level, but it looks like he’s not the guy for getting things to the level we’d all hoped for. Far cry from Brady Hoke, however.

xtramelanin

November 1st, 2020 at 8:13 PM ^

and we're forgetting a great win vs. wisconsin, last year's blowout v. ND in the monsoon where ND was favored.  beating a decent sparty team handily in EL 2 yrs ago, bringing us the beloved 'paul bunyan' pos;  a couple of beat downs of good PSU teams, too.   

craiggo51

November 1st, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^

He’s been given enough time. The fact that Don Brown continues as DC after a second straight ass kicking by the Buckeyes shows things are never gonna change. Should have revamped defensive staff. Who cares if we have “great defense” against average teams. 
we gonna get killed again by sixty points. 
It’s not just talent it’s coaching, period. 

craiggo51

November 1st, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^

He’s been given enough time. The fact that Don Brown continues as DC after a second straight ass kicking by the Buckeyes shows things are never gonna change. Should have revamped defensive staff. Who cares if we have “great defense” against average teams. 
we gonna get killed again by sixty points. 
It’s not just talent it’s coaching, period. 

jasgoblue

November 1st, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^

Why do people assume that Harbaugh has no control or influence over Nico and Ambry not coming back? Harbaugh has a talent retention problem. Either it's him or the way he runs the program, something is off and players would rather sit out than play. Why is our roster so slim that 2 players opting out sinks our season? (OSU was always going to be a loss)

 

In my personal opinion, the program needs to cut off media access to players and coaches. These guys spent so much time talking about how this game is important, and how the trophy needs to stay in AA. That time could have been used better to prep for the dang game.

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 10:45 AM ^

My favorite from the players is "don't support us when we win when you don't when you are down"

Guess what players? you have accomplished nothing worthy at Michigan. We haven't won a B1G championship since 2004. We haven't beaten OSU since 2011. We haven't made it to Indy or the playoff. We as fans get dong punched over and over. Sorry we aren't kissing your ass because you beat Rutgers 78-0. 

SouthOfHeaven

November 1st, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^

I like our players. They're young and still developing, and programs hire coaches in order to tap into their potential and aid them in their growth as players. Our staff has failed them time and time again. I'd like to see us stop putting talent through the woodchipper and hire someone that will put it to good use.

I get what you're saying and agree that such an attitude is a piss-poor one to have, but we've graduated and replaced loads of players only to continue getting the same results. Remember when everyone on here crapped on Shea and the new dude was supposed to be a monument improvement? laugh out loud. The one constant is this hilariously incompetent staff. 

Durham Blue

November 1st, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

Only the past 15 years?  I would say this has been a problem since the early 1970's when Michigan founded the big 2, little 8 with OSU.  Difference is, OSU discovered that arrogance and entitlement are not conducive to good/consistent on the field results.  They changed for the better and we're still dicking around losing to shitty teams that play harder.  And us fans are left arguing with each other about everything on message boards.

jasgoblue

November 1st, 2020 at 2:43 PM ^

I'm not sure why he left, but he's suiting up for Rutgers and not Michigan. Maybe he had to absolutely be back in NJ for some reason. I gotta imagine it's easier to retain and utilize a player already in the system than to recruit and build up a younger player.

In my view, every kid (who wants to stay) should be encouraged to stay the full 4 years. The 5th year is optional, maybe they need it to wrap up a degree or maybe they just need an extra year to build a case for the NFL. Every kid that could have been retained but ends up leaving before 4 years is a missed opportunity. I get that sometimes things just don't work out, but that should not be the norm. I also get that it seems like a pipe dream in today's environment, but the coaches need to do a better job to get to this outcome. Based on what I see, my guess is that Harbaugh is indifferent when players talk about transferring.

Recruit players who will play hard and stay through the bad times. Build an environment where kids want to play for Michigan until they get an offer they can't refuse from the NFL.

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 10:43 AM ^

" I think what happened is the team overperformed against Minnesota and thus somehow put a spell on us and fooled us into believing this had the potential to be a championship season."

Overperforming against Minn and then laying an egg against an instate rival (which plays a huge role in recruiting) is a problem. 

"No one EVER thought this years team had the potential to compete for the Big Ten title before the season started, and yet we all shifted our expectations based on one incredible win to start the season. "

Stop creating a strawman for this fanbase. Us anti-harbaughers are upset for losing to an MSU team that is undoubtedly rebuilding, not that we are out of title contention.

"With the amount of talent and experience we lost from last year to this year plus the loss of two players opting out due to COVID (Nico Collins, Ambry Thomas) who seem to have left us with the biggest holes we have: a press coverage CB and a big playmaking receiver, this was always going to be an uphill battle of a season."

That is on the coaching staff to ensure that the roster does not have holes and had quality WR and CB talent to fill the void. If not, then make adjustments. Other teams (i.e. MSU) have succeeded with less talent/experience.

"This was always going to be a 5-4 type weird season so let’s just buckle up and hope we see some player development. "

We haven't seen real player development in 6 years, what will make year 7 any different as recruiting gets worse?

Mgoczar

November 1st, 2020 at 10:50 AM ^

Yes but they have a QB who is in sync with WRs and that's enough to win against weak M corners. 

Yes michigan should run more zone but I am no coach. Feel free to ask that or suggest to the coaches. 

How are people not seeing that WRs are young, and we Milton has shown no deep balls to suggest he has that yet. Last year he ran immediately. Right now he tries to scan and throw. Possibly next step is actually reading defense and taking deep shots I'm not sure. He is where I thought he would be and that's better than he was last year. Unless M has a ready made 5 star QB, a project like Milton takes time. 

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^

1. Rocky Lombardi is a first year starter. Jayden Reed and Ricky White were not even on campus until the summer. Michigan's corner situation is pathetic for a program who wants to be elite. 

2. Dude, this is year 6. Harbaugh cannot produce a QB who is good enough to win in college football. We are blaming Milton now for being too young. He cannot read defenses in his third year? So we need to wait for him to be a senior in order to read defenses? How about Shea Patterson? How about John O'Korn? How about Wilton Speight? How many more mediocre QB's does Michigan need to have for it to see that this is an ingrained problem in Michigan. Stop making excuses for Michigan's coaching staff not having this team prepared, and worse, having large roster gaps all over the roster

3. It will not get better, stop thinking it will with this team. The amount of rationale for Michigan losing to a team that almost lost by 3 scores to Rutgers is pathetic. 

Mgoczar

November 1st, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^

Ok. Clean house then what exactly ? And no I'm not saying who else. If you rebuild you wait another 2-3 years. All of a sudden posts appear about shea was good. Really ? Last week people were claiming Milton to be IT. I'm not making excuses, stating facts. And yes right now rocky lombardi is better than Milton through first two games. I don't have answer for why michigan doesn't have a competent QB. Not sure why Mcaffery didn't stay. Here we are. 

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^

You clean house, and take a chance on a coach who is a) young, b) an elite recruiter, and c) has a 21st century staff. And then what? You allow him to change the culture at Michigan. Maybe it is successful, maybe it won't be. But guess what? I would rather have this program be 7-6/8-5 first couple of years with a new coach, able to establish a new way of thinking, and bring in new blood, then have a 9-4/10-3 coach who will never get over the hump.

If you continously play in your fears about things that could go wrong, you will never be able to improve. 

Michigan's QB situation and roster gaps is enough evidence that this staff does not have what it takes to become a program I think it wants to be, which is an Indy and eventual playoff team. 

Mgoczar

November 1st, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^

Toby,

That all sounds great in writing but how do you execute ? Michigan failed with young new coach in RR. He hasn't done anything since leaving. 

I can say that if harbaugh leaves or being let go I am on with that. I do think if Michigan doesn't show improvement in season then on board with change. I won't overreact to this last game since I expected a close fight even when M destroyed Minnesota  some MSU looked good to me on offense in their loss to Rutgers. 

Tldr let wait to see how season plays out. 

Are You Not En…

November 1st, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^

LOLOLOLOL that you think this fan base will ne cool with 7-5 for more than 1 year. And we tried the 21st century tactics with a “baller coach.” RichRod got fired in 4 seconds. You’re just as delusional as they are. 10-3 IS Michigan. God damn people. I’m cool with change, I’m cool with no change. I don’t care. But stop acting like we’re fucking alabama when we have not been for a long time. 

moetown91

November 1st, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^

Wasnt the recruiting line on Milton, great upside with a physical skill set...BUT a project nonetheless.  We need to stop drinking the kool-aid and camp hype that comes out of Schembechler Hall. The national media only compounds the problem because of the Michigan brand....hype when things are good but more so PILE on when it goes bad......

 

I want to see results in games that matter and on a consistent basis.  This staff has failed on this on so many levels.  Can't believe I bit on this again....

trueblueintexas

November 1st, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^

Milton wasn’t the problem yesterday and Ronnie Bell isn’t young. 
This is year 6 of Harbaugh’s tenure. I’ve always believed it takes a new coach four years to remake a bad program in his image. Even if you gave Harbaugh an extra year because the program was in a really bad spot, fine, that was last year. This is year six, what’s the excuse? It’s all his guys and all his coaches. If you want to count yesterday as the one oops loss for the year, which even Bo had on the regular, fine. However, if Harbaugh doesn’t win out including against OSU than it is time to go. Period. No excuses. Bo would not have accepted this for Michigan’s players. They deserve better. 
A sixth year coach with the resources at his disposal like Michigan offers shouldn’t need to justify 2-3 losses per year.

Shakespeare

November 1st, 2020 at 10:54 AM ^

I’m not saying losing this game isn’t a problem. I’m saying I think when all is said and done Michigan and MSU will prove to have been about as talented this season as one another. MSU is better than their week one showed and we are worse than ours showed. 
 

And I vehemently disagree with you about player development during JH’s time here, especially by comparison to the prior 10 years. See Devin Bush, Runyon, Chase Winovich, Karan Higdon, Cam McGrone, Hassan Haskins, Ronnie Bell, Ambry Thomas, David Long, Khaleke Hudson, etc. Harbaugh has developed players. Much moreso than Hoke who seemed to actively make players worse from year to year. 
 

And yes player retention is on the coaches. And if you’ll recall they did retain Ambry and Nico. They opted to return then opted out when the season was canceled. Getting them back was going to be a lot tougher once they had signed with agents like Rosenhaus. 

Toby Flenderson

November 1st, 2020 at 10:59 AM ^

With that player development, how many marque Wins have michigan had? Where is the player development at the most important position, QB? Where is the player development to have playmakers on Offense? My point of player development is that they are better at 22 then they are at 18. My point of player develop is whether this coaching staff is able to get players to a point where they can get to Indy and eventually the playoff. If your definition of player development is so they are good enough to be a 3rd rounder, but not win jack shit, fine. That isn't mine.

They retained Ambry and Nico, and lost Myles Simms, St. Juste, Aubrey Solomon, and Tarik Black. They also lost Michael Dwumfour.

Blueisgood

November 1st, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^

1000% disagree that the talent at MSU is equal to what UM has. Not even close. I don't care at what point in the season it is. MSU is not as talented. Theres no excuse for them to lose that game yesterday. They have a new coach with an almost nonexistent offseason to install what Tucker wants to do. I've been one of the biggest Harbaugh fans from day one, and I'm not saying show him the door yet. But something needs to change. I like/liked Don Brown, but he needs to go. Thats not just from yesterday game. He never adjusts in game..ever. The corners get torched and you don't do anything to help them. Crossing routes anyone. Jim needs to leave Gattis alone and let him do what he does. The play calling yesterday screamed of Harbaugh. The run game wasn't working so lets keep doing it. Why not throw some screens in. Get Corum in some space. That kid is a speedy little bastard and you run his  ass staight into the line. Same for Henning. In his limited time he's shown his a speedy sob as well and rarely gets put out there. 

MFun

November 1st, 2020 at 10:55 PM ^

And just to add THE BOTTOM LINE.... 

Harbaugh is not going to win championships here and that is why he was hired.
This is very clear now.... in year 6. 

He is soft on the players and we need somebody much tougher. 

It is time to say goodbye. 

And Don Brown too. The guy refuses to adjust to the personnel, the game. It's inexplicable. 

Hail-Storm

November 2nd, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^

I haven't been an anti harbaugh guy, and have stated I don't think that Michigan can get a siginificant upgrade over him (see Nebraska, Texas), but this is not loss anyone should provide reason for.  Michigan lost talent, but State lost talent off of a MUCH worse team.  There was no flow to the offense.  No set up plays with counters.  Missed assignments on the line. And Milton missed reads and throws.

Honestly, Michigan screwed themselves when they messed up the Rodriguez hire.  No, it turns out he isn't the elite coach we thought he would be, but we sent Michigan way back by pretending that this wasn't Michigan football. We believed Michigan football was started when Bo was hired.  We did not look at the innovative coaches we had through our history that revolutionized Michigan football.

I don't care about playing football the Michigan way, if that means losing.  Don't cheat, but by god, we were outcoached by a guy who has no history and a completely bare roster.  I am sick of MSU players stepping up their game against us every year, only to see our players drop passes, and miss assignments. Harbaugh needs to do something now.  He owes that to the fans, the players, the University, and the history of the football program.  Step the fuck up, or get the fuck out.