Spartan players charged with Assault...
I know we hate Spartan threads, but it is breaking news.
Spartan players charged with assault...
EDITED: So you can choose to bypass the freep.com link and use the detnews.com one instead. However, I like it because it provides more proof that they are idiots when you take into account their most recent article regarding the players' parents.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091209/SPORTS0202/912090427/Nine-MSU-f…
http://freep.com/article/20091209/SPORTS07/91209048/1398/9-MSU-players-…
December 9th, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
Wow, I'm surprised the Free Press actually covered this...
December 9th, 2009 at 4:52 PM ^
You honestly thought they were going to ignore it?
How jaded about the Freep are you people?
December 9th, 2009 at 5:04 PM ^
but a point for dropping "you people."
December 9th, 2009 at 5:09 PM ^
who you calling 'you people?' we need to have a house meetin y'all
December 9th, 2009 at 5:14 PM ^
"Enraged," "outraged," "astonished," "digusted," etc. That's more like it.
That said, OF COURSE the Free Press would cover it. I'm not that, uh, jaded.
But what gets me is that even when the Free Press is caught speeding, caught red-freaking-handed in a butchered stroy like the "hurricane" story, you seem to want to give the benefit of any doubt to the Free Press. In the case of the "hurricane" story, there just wasn't any doubt. Mark Snyder had to go out of his way to turn that out of context quotation into a quasi-national kerfuffle for Rich Rodriguez. We have seen the freaking video!
I sort of expect that perhaps you see nothing wrong or curious about the Freep's use of anonymous-sourcing for the August 30 story. That you saw nothing wrong with the Freep's concerted effort to spring the August 30 story on the football staff and the Athletic Department only at the last possible moment before going to print. That you think the Freep accurately posed teh serious questions about Countable Athletically Related Activities. And that somehow, we should be able to make sense out of the fact that Freshmen Je'Ron Stokes and Brandin Hawthorne didn't want anonymity (because they didn't "fear" any "retribution"!?!), but that former players, long gone from Michigan did fear retribution and therefore got anonymity. Lot of sense that one makes.
To anyone who still stands by the Free Press, I ask, WTF? Support for the Freep cannot even be squared with, "Well, let's all just wait for the results of the investigation." Becuase the Freep didn't wait for any steenkin' investigation. The Freep went straight to print, and only then did they even start requesting documents from the Athletic Department. I know that, for a fact, because I FOIA'd the Free Press' own FOIAs directed to the University.
It was a malevolent story, evidencing some the reporters' own malevolence.
I ask you again, Bando, why would you offer any defense of the Free Press?
December 9th, 2009 at 5:26 PM ^
I find it amazing how worked up you repeatedly get about the Free Press.
I'm not defending them, but I'm also not getting so worked up that I spend my time writing emotional, long-winded vitriol against a couple of local reporters every day of the week on a sports blog.
I'm holding my verdict on the series of articles until the NCAA completes their investigation. If it finds no wrongdoing, well, you'll see me just as outraged as everyone else. It seems, however, they have found something of interest, or else they wouldn't still be in Ann Arbor right now.
The Free Press doesn't exist to blow sunshine about Michigan football, though they've done a LOT of that in the past. Journalism has a responsibility to uncover wrongdoing, no matter how uncomfortable that may make us. I'm not saying they have a responsibility to do what the Freep did, but they do have a responsibility to report if they have reason to believe there is something worth uncovering. What would have happened if a couple young and intrepid news reporters hadn't looked into the car crash that occurred on M14 during Mateen Cleaves' recruiting visit to A2?
I'm sorry, I just find the whole "DON'T CLICK THE LINKS!" stuff to be a bit much. Take a deep breath, calm down, it's going to be OK. It's just a newspaper.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:39 PM ^
Without the Free Press, we might never have known the color of the sweater that Mateen Cleaves didn't wear, when he wasn't sitting in the stands with Mitch Albom watching his beloved Spartans play a Final Four game.
December 9th, 2009 at 8:56 PM ^
I completely agree with this statement.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:11 AM ^
I also agree with this. This is a thoughtful, well written argument. It is not troll-ish and increases the level of discourse on the board. There is no reason anyone should neg this.
December 10th, 2009 at 8:50 AM ^
between responding to a single poster's comment with "you people," and getting negged a lot.
December 10th, 2009 at 10:25 AM ^
My problem with the Free Press is not that it delivers bad news, or that it is somehow too honest, or insufficiently loyal to Michigan.
My problem with the Free Press is that their methods suck. The August story was a provocation, and a badly-done one at that.
The Free Press deserves some severe criticism. And it seems to me that it is actually hard to find outlets that air that kind of criticism. I'll debate, if what you want is debate. Mind you, Rosenberg and Snyder won't debate.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:19 PM ^
You need miso's ski mask.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:40 PM ^
When only an MGo point will do....
+1
December 9th, 2009 at 7:05 PM ^
MSU students were expelled from the University just simply for being present at Cedarfest. Why would this be any different?
December 9th, 2009 at 7:28 PM ^
There was UNDERAGE DRINKING going on at Cedarfest!!! So much worse than conspiracy and assault. Those regular students should have known better than to go to an annual event at their University...
December 9th, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
i'm sure they were acting in self defense. You know, boys will be boys.
[/freep sarcasm]
December 9th, 2009 at 4:24 PM ^
Here is an ad free link so you don't create revenue for the Freep.
http://freep.com/article/20091209/SPORTS07/91209048/1398/9-MSU-players-…
December 9th, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^
Anyone care to set up odds on whether or not players are reinstated before their bowl? Or if any jail sentences are postponed until after their bowl?
December 9th, 2009 at 5:05 PM ^
Dantonio already said anyone present would not travel or play in the bowl.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/7823/suspended-spartans-wont-g…
I don't think even Sparty could go back on that. If they did, I'd be shocked and amazed, probably 20% amazed and 80% shocked.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^
Who would have thought the parents' version of the story might not be accurate. Well done, Freep.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:26 PM ^
Other others lied according to the previous stories. Possibly they are charged with "assault of the truth"
December 9th, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
their jail time or community service will not conflict with football.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
before the guilty plea or conviction.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:29 PM ^
wants to prove a point to his team, he has to either suspend these kids for the bowl game and all of next year or kick them off of the team now... he screwed shit up by letting winston back on the team which probably gave the indication to other players that they get one free pass.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:29 PM ^
I will only believe this if and when Mark Dell's dad says it's true.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:35 PM ^
I am somewhat surprised (seriously no sarcasm) that all were only charged with misdomeanors, especially Winston given his past conviction for assault.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^
Sitting in the library right now and a Sparty grad came up to me a few minutes ago to inform me of the charges and that "they have nothing on them." I politely shook my head and said what a great job Mark D is doing with the team, his response, "at least we beat you guys this year." Typical Sparty, more concerned with M than their own team.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^
can you say parole violation?
Sure you can...say it with me...
December 9th, 2009 at 4:53 PM ^
think about that. well it looks like he gets to go back to jail...
December 9th, 2009 at 4:59 PM ^
I don't remember hearing if he was put on probation after his release. If he was on probation at the time of the second beatdown, he's really screwed this time.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:04 PM ^
gave Sturgis a brain injury and was in jail six months. I'd be shocked if he did not receive probation.
Does anyone think Winston would look good in a blue prison jumpsuit?
December 9th, 2009 at 5:12 PM ^
He should be subjected to repeated doses of this:
http://spawnofmzone.blogspot.com/2009/10/glenn-winston-meet-brandon-gra…
December 9th, 2009 at 4:58 PM ^
Even after charges the Freep refers to the incident as a "fracas," as though it were a 4th-grade french fry fight in the cafeteria.
December 9th, 2009 at 6:35 PM ^
Contrary to rumors of 15-20 MSU players breaking into a frat house and assaulting its residents, reliable sources have told us the true story.
The players actually broke into a library and translated all the books into French.
December 9th, 2009 at 4:58 PM ^
Free Press, 12/10/09:
"The fact that these kids are charged with Conspiracy AND the crime they conspired to commit (assualt and/or battery) means the crimes committed were done after an agreement between these players. It takes teamwork and a family-bond to conspire to commit a crime. And it takes heart and dedication to not let your team/family down by giving up... to fulfil that agreement to assault and batter. These kids obviously stick up for each other... like a real family. D'Antonio is responsible for this unity, this team pride, this family."
"An unnamed source, a 2009 transfer from Michigan's 2008 team stated: 'At UM, we'd try to conspire to beat up chics all the time, but our team was weak with no leadership or pride. No family values. I'd show up at Newberry to kick ass, turn around, and you know what... my whole team was no where to be seen. Pussies.'"
December 9th, 2009 at 6:41 PM ^
I'd show up at Newberry to kick ass, turn around, and you know what... my whole team was no where to be seen. And then I remembered that they were probably all working out since that's what we always did, 18 hours a day, everyday -- otherwise Coach Rod and Barwis would beat us.'
December 9th, 2009 at 6:58 PM ^
hey, the team that assaults together stays together.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:18 PM ^
They will be forced to sit at least one series in next year's opener against Montana State. Maybe even an entire quarter!!
Seriously, doesn't the university have the right to force students to withdraw(i.e., KICK THEM OUT) if they are facing a criminal indictment that was committed on campus?
Why isn't the MSU nation screaming outrage, demanding that these kids be expelled?
I liked that they were man-enough to wear ski-masks during the beating. Hahaha. Classic.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:59 PM ^
I choked on my laughter
December 9th, 2009 at 6:07 PM ^
After all the crap I have had to put up with from MSU buddies over the past two years, it is going to be a long time until I let them forget about this little "incident"
December 9th, 2009 at 5:29 PM ^
Some time its very rewarding to go to such a crappy school like MSU, if these were UofM players it would be brought to national spotlight. But because MSU is a piece of crap university only local outlets are aware it exists
December 9th, 2009 at 5:37 PM ^
I'm not trying to be a dick, but...
You signed up to post that?
December 9th, 2009 at 5:50 PM ^
Only time will tell.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:46 PM ^
linky
"In addition to the six-month jail sentence, Winston will serve two years of probation and pay $1,768.43 in fines and court costs. Winston also is required to complete an assaultive behavior and substance abuse counseling program and must submit to random drug and alcohol tests."
December 9th, 2009 at 5:50 PM ^
for the RR Tate quote and Tate picture! 3
December 9th, 2009 at 6:59 PM ^
an "assaultive behavior" class. words fail me.
December 9th, 2009 at 8:47 PM ^
When they said that Winston
"is required to complete an assaultive behavior and substance abuse counseling program" apparently they forgot to tell him that he was to enroll in a program that *discourages* such behaviour, rather than one that gives practical direction.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:00 AM ^
So you're saying he thought the latest rampage was "homework"?