Snowflakes Thread: Coaching vs. Ohio State
November 28th, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^
everything today had to do with the offensive and defensive lines.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:40 PM ^
was overmatched on the field, and on the sidelines. Meyer > Harbaugh, Buckeyes > Wolverines
November 28th, 2015 at 4:41 PM ^
was overmatched on the field, and on the sidelines. Meyer > Harbaugh, Buckeyes > Wolverines
November 28th, 2015 at 4:51 PM ^
Fuck you
November 28th, 2015 at 5:56 PM ^
kalis said, after he decommitted from Ohio State, that there would be blood and that UM would score lots of points . He was 0-4 enough said. I guess he is used to the ass beatings by now. What a mistake to go to UM. He lost out on 4 gold pants and a NC.
November 28th, 2015 at 7:10 PM ^
Did you watch the game ??
November 28th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^
That was so Hoke-esque. 14-10 at halftime. One team adjusted, the other did not. Durkin can go whenever he wants. Pre bowl game, even. Harbs has got some serious explaining to do.
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November 28th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
But the defense could not respond or he could not adjust the scheme to help them be successful.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:04 PM ^
Listen people, remember this is the same team who continued to get worse every year under Hoke, Coach Harbaugh has done a tremendous job turning these guys around, and have a winning record.
We were not supposed to win more than 5-6 games this year, according to most experts. If you want to truly judge this team, give it a couple years, when Jim has his guys in place, and Urban gets Ohio in trouble like his past record indicates. I am as upset as anyone from today's loss, however this year has giving me a lot to look forward to.... Wolverine fan for life, through the good & bad times, that is a true fan.
November 28th, 2015 at 5:10 PM ^
It's year one and obviously we've done great wrt expectations. However, Harbaugh & Durkin have to answer for why they had no answer for OSU's ground attack. I get the DL and LB were weakened and/or are terrible, but OSU hasn't gashed many teams like that at all this year. Michigan's D should've performed far better today
November 28th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^
tOSU has Urban. Harbs didn't win the big ones at Standford and SF either. Didn't you know that.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^
Punted from their 35 on the first drive.
That's all you really need to say. All downhill from there
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November 28th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
No issues with that whatsoever. We had the guys in the area to down it inside the 5 and just didn't get it done. O'Neill's ability to pin teams reliably makes that the right call.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
Calling that punt block was Hole-level dumb
November 28th, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^
This call completely changed the game
November 28th, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
If they blocked it and score do you say the same? Hindsight rabble rabble
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November 28th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^
I just feel calling for a punt block is more for desperate situations in a game, because they're so risky. More times than not... you can't trust these young kids to execute a punt block without hitting the kicker. We were going to get good field position anyway. That penalty drastically changed the moment of the game.
November 28th, 2015 at 6:15 PM ^
I actually think the block attempt was executed quite well. Chesson bailed when he needed to, an the contact was on the punters kicking leg, which is allowable. The punter being knocked over by his own teammate was probably more influential in the penalty being called than anything else.
November 28th, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^
I like Peppers catching that punt on the 50
November 28th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
How do you come out so flat at home against a rival? How do you not gameplan for their bread and butter? How are the linebackers so soft and incapable of fighting off blocks?
0-2 against main rivals and blown out by 29 in the main one is not a good start Jim.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:43 PM ^
Michigan has to evaluate the players they recruit. None of these players, other than Peppers and a couple others have any swag or any "cockiness". Not the kind of cockiness that makes you look like a dick, but just the confidence to think that they are better than anyone else on the field. Michigan needs to recruit players with an edge. No matter who coaches this team, it's about execution. If the other team has better and more physical athletes, they win. Period. Peppers should be the prototypical recruit. Athlete that can be put at any position and excel. Qb is vital! Not looking for a Denard type (who I loved), but a top dual threat that can through the ball with accuracy. They exist. Ask Urban.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^
The last few years we lost, but we stay close cause one could argue we had better athletes on our team then than we do now. There was always the scare of Devin or Denard taking off so it kept the defense honest. We don't have that now. I don't care what anyone says, Devin Gardner with 3-4 years of harbaugh coaching would be dangerous.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^
The last few years we lost, but we stay close cause one could argue we had better athletes on our team then than we do now. There was always the scare of Devin or Denard taking off so it kept the defense honest. We don't have that now. I don't care what anyone says, Devin Gardner with 3-4 years of harbaugh coaching would be dangerous.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:36 PM ^
Won't be able to sleep tonight. Every single one of our coaches performed about as bad as you could. Complete ineptitude from our staff from the top to the bottom.
P.S. Fire Baxter.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:44 PM ^
This is the best STs we've had since...I have no idea...and you want to fire the guy? Talk about a hot take.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^
People are dumb. That's why there is the hate. ST's have been great this year and vastly improved.
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November 28th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
I don't get the "fire" anyone. Srsly. We're 9-3. Yes, bad loss. But would you rather have a valiant fought loss and be 5-7????? Quit drinking and go to bed. (Not you, brown bear, the other bozos)
November 28th, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^
Not calling a safe punt vs MSU cost us the game.
The punt block attempt changed the game today is a profoundly negative way.
He did some really good stuff, but also laid some huge eggs in big games.
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November 28th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^
And the first one doesn't even matter if your punter just fricking catches the damn ball.
They showed deficiencies as the year went along. They still were light years better than any special teams we had under RR or Hoke.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
Baxter can't stop a dropped snap or bad tackling or a freshman running into the punter. Stop blaming the coaches for everything OSU was flat out better than us and has more talent
November 28th, 2015 at 6:09 PM ^
Urban came to Michigan twice and is 2-0. harbaugh made no difference except some of his and his son's foolish rants.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:36 PM ^
Durking & D staff lost this game. Failed to have enough #s in the box; man short against run all day except for a handful of snaps.
I can hear Brian at the press conference, to Durkin: "DO YOU KNOW WHAT A COUNTABLE BOX IS?!?"
November 28th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
Yeah, the interview stuff isn't going to make him look any better. Don't care about injuries. MSU went to the shoe and dominated that team with a second and third string qb.
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November 28th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
First of all, way to fucking play like you're going for the B1G championship. Second, as long as Urban Meyer is the coach at Ohio State err will never beat them.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
Hot take
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November 28th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
Ugh.... don't say such things. It's scary cuz it might be true... At the Horseshoe next year... When was the last time we beat them there? 2000?
November 28th, 2015 at 4:25 PM ^
Hard to argue with this.
November 28th, 2015 at 5:29 PM ^
Saying "as long as X is there, Y won't win a game" is actually quite easy to argue with. It's fucking ridiculous and I can easily argue it with "that won't happen."
November 28th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
We lost to them
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November 28th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
I hate OSU fans more than anything and I cannot stand MSU fans but what I hate even more are the emotional stupid Michigan fans who are questioning what Jim Harbaugh and staff have done with this team this year. This was a highly disappointing game but OSU had by far their best game of the season. Not sure if there was anything we could have even done to change the result.
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November 28th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
How about not playing our worst game of the year? That could have helped.
I don't understand why we give the coaches a pass when the team plays poorly and gets trucked like this?
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November 28th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^
We can question him as much as we want. Deal with it.
The team has NEVER come out this flat against OSU under Hoke. What's Harbaugh's excuse?
Maybe he should start acknowledging OSU with the fervor he did as Michigan's QB b/c whatever the fuck he did this week didn't work.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
Question him. I am just as pissed as all of us over this loss. I understand expectations rise a the season goes along but there were very few who thought we would do what we did this year. I am going to reserve my judgement on Harbaugh until we see how the team improves over the next couple of years. The problem today was we played a team who has been the most underperforming team in the nation and they played their best game of the year. As much as I would love to say we had a chance, I am not sure that was the case the way OSU played today. Kill Harbaugh all you want about the game today (if that is what you think lost us this game) but I think it is foolish to question the direction of the program with Harbaugh as our leader. That's all I am saying. GO BLUE!
November 28th, 2015 at 4:18 PM ^
It isn't about giving the coaches a free pass. They should be asked hard questions about why the team was unprepared for their run game, or why they went for the punt block. However, when posters are calling for Baxter to be fired and wishing for Durkin to leave, they are lacking massive amounts of perspective.
Sometimes, players have to make plays too. When your senior LB's miss tackle after tackle, there isn't much a coach can do except pulling them, which they did.
Big picture, we are 9-3, and our coaches have done a hell of job this year.
November 28th, 2015 at 4:38 PM ^
My friend. Go Blue!
November 28th, 2015 at 4:21 PM ^
It's one thing to give the coaches a pass, it's another to recognize that there are some things that even the best planning and preparation can't overcome.
Sure, the coaching staff bears some responsibility for this result, but they can't play the game.
November 28th, 2015 at 10:29 PM ^
Well, hate me or not but UM fans have every reason to be proud of the turn around this year. Greater things are in store for you. But I do admit liking to see that smartass look on D J Durkins face disappear.....
November 28th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^
One high safety almost the entire game was coaching malpractice. But with Bolden's tackling I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
November 28th, 2015 at 3:41 PM ^
Going for the punt block early in the game when at worst you get great filed position swung everything towards osu. Still don't understand the logic
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November 28th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^
Big blunder by Harbaugh. Glad we have him, but no one is mistake free. This changed the game.
Would love to see the numbers on going for the block, how often you get a block vs a penalty.