SIAP: B1G Proposes 1 time, no penalty transfer rule
The B1G is proposing to change the transfer rule in 5 sports. Currently, the rule to sit out 1 year only applies to 5 sports, MBB, WBB, CFB, Baseball, and Hockey. All other sports allow a one-time transfer.
However, one Big Ten source said it has "kind of given up on the notion you have to have a year in residence to be successful academically."
Listening to Luginbill and McElroy, they think it's just a PR play, but I'm not surprised because McElroy subtly is naturally pro-SEC. I'm interested to see what the split is with coaches. I expect the player friendly guys like Leach and Kiffin will be in favor, while Saban and probably Dabo will be against it.
February 4th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^
I wonder who's idea this was?
That lack of sarcasm detection amazes me on this site. Smh..
February 4th, 2020 at 9:22 AM ^
I think the AD's are leading the charge, faculty athletic reps, and legal teams. There is a thought that they could potentially avoid any future litigation. The B1G response to how this will affect coaches is: "recruit guys who are more committed to the program."
3 of the 5 sports have 55% minority participation (MBB, WBB, and CFB) and some are saying they(NCAA and by extension, the conf or university) could be sued because this rule disproportionately affects minorities, if there was a player who wanted to push it. Right now the NCAA has such a bad rep, that it might not be worth rolling the dice and paying legal fees.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
The answer to the question posted above (the post you replied to) is: Jim Harbaugh.
Sometime last season (or the previous off-season) is when he espoused that idea. Of course, it earned him poor press coverage from the usual eggheads. Now look...
As for McElroy, he's a decent fan of Harbaugh, so if he's against the idea its not because JH was the first to express it last year.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
That's true, I was thinking that this morning when I heard it, but forgot as I posted this.
No one is mentioning Harbaugh in all of this though.
McElroy is a company man, and I like him quite a bit. I think for the most part he's fair, honest, level headed etc. In listening to him and he played for an old school coach, he sounds like a bit of an old soul. He's 100% "you should be ok on the bench, learning and honing your craft and wait your turn." Although he's not overly supportive of many changes to college sports, posing the question "is this best for college athletics" as opposed to asking "is this best for college athletes?"
February 4th, 2020 at 9:59 AM ^
I wonder if you know "whose" from "who's."
February 4th, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
Not as much as I no a negative poster whom should find a different team to route four.
February 4th, 2020 at 10:44 AM ^
Do you have a map for them to navigate the route to finding a new team to root for?
February 4th, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^
You need a sarcasm detector!
He purposely used no, four and route incorrectly.
February 4th, 2020 at 10:59 AM ^
That's a know no.
February 4th, 2020 at 8:58 AM ^
The SEC had the reputation for regularly giving firm handshakes, medical retirements and oversigning when compared to the other conferences. Now, it's widely practiced and accepted. Does Saban complain about his players entering the portal now? I would think they would be fine with players getting out to make room for more 5*s.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:03 AM ^
Saban said last year he believes all players should have to sit out a year, and while he supports the transfer portal, he doesn't like "free agency" or the waiver process as a way to avoid sitting out a year.
As a coach with a lot of players not starting who could start at a lot of other places, this would probably affect Bama a lot, as well as Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, where the backups could easily start at a place like Tennessee or Purdue or Wisconsin.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^
Logically this seems like a way to improve parity among the top tier schools. It's doubtful you'd see a bench riding 5* decide to transfer from Bama to Western Michigan for playing time. That said, it would likely shift the entire pool of recruits out further. You'd like see the same impact on 4 and 5*'s at Bama impact a school like Michigan with 3 and 4*. It'll definitely leave a lot more schools thinner at key positions and would lead to more broken seasons because key players get hurt and the backups aren't 5*'s waiting for their chance to shine. All of that though could be completely screwed up by either illegal paying of players and holding that payment till time has been fulfilled. Legalizing paying players would change the entire dynamic in a way I can't logically formulate yet.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
This is true. and maybe not Western Michigan but I could see some second tier programs ie Purdue, Duke, Maryland, Texas Tech, Michigan State(ha!)...getting players who are 4 star, 2nd string at Bama, who could start for 3 or 4 years at a program like that..and also probably closer to home.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:02 PM ^
You make a good point.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
I wish there was just one head coach who wasn't too chicken to be an enthusiastic, serious leader about this idea. They'd need to do it in a way as not to rub the media the wrong way so it wouldn't look like an antic to milk the attention. There's a lot at stake as far as for players' rights to their futures.
February 4th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^
I personally don't care what they do. I see pros and cons for immediate eligibility and sitting out a year. But if I had to pick something, I'd go for immediate eligibility. If you're going to let coaches just up and leave their teams anytime they want to head for greener pastures at another school, where they can start coaching and recruiting immediately, then I think the same benefit should be applied to a player. But only for their first transfer. If they transfer again, they lose a year.
At the end of the day, all I really want to see is that whatever the NCAA decides, stand by it and make it a hard and fast rule across the board, barring the most extreme of situations (i.e. a player's parent is dying of terminal cancer and he wants to play close to home so they can come to the games).
But NCAA and consistency is like oil and water. The two just don't mix.
February 4th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
I didn't think about those repurcussions. You could have half a signing class follow a coach after signing day with no penalty. Now usually coaches are either moving significantly up or down in the world so the same players would either not be able to follow them or not want to but if anyone makes a lateralish move that could devastate the school they were leaving
February 4th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
There’s a limit to number of players on a team so half would not up a go, because that would mean half the kids at the school he’s going to would have to leave.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^
Why should a player get the same benefit as a coach? The coach who has a degree, in most cases a secondary degree, worked as a GA, analyst, position coach, and coordinator. They've paid their dues and they are on a different plane than 19 year olds with a high school diploma. Any CEO at an any company has benefits that the interns don't get.
But yes, consistency would be nice and legitimate/uniform enforcement, whatever the decision is.
February 4th, 2020 at 10:18 AM ^
We're going to need a passing lane and a carpool lane in the portal
February 4th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^
This is something that’s good for the players, but much like the transfer portal I don’t see how this is good for Michigan. Why? Michigan is not going to out talent other ‘great’ teams. It’s not going to happen this year, next year or anytime soon.
Michigan needs to be a program that keeps guys on the team 4 and 5 years so we have depth across the board. I disagree with anyone that says this is a good thing for the non-elite teams. I feel it’s just the opposite to be honest. The non-elites will now have to fear that not only backups will be immediately out the door but now anytime a starter gets frustrated or upset about anything they can be gone without consequence as well. Bama is always going to have great players with this rule. It won’t change anything for them. Same for OSU.
It could make a big difference for Michigan.
February 4th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
I think it'll result in a general trickle down of back ups. The elites will trickle to other P5s, the P5 back ups will trickle down to G5, and so forth and so on. This would probably lead the elites to recruit larger classes to make up the difference in lost players. Seems like then the elites would still have elite 1st stringers, but the back ups at a lot of them will be younger than they are now. Might actually improve parity a bit as might result in stronger rosters for the lower P5 and G5
February 4th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
I respectfully disagree. This is just going to become Free agency for any great player on a team not seriously competing for a conference or national title and is not married to a degree at a college they currently attend.
If Jabrill had left Michigan for Bama or Clemson during or immediately following the 2014 season without having to sit out a year, this board would have melted down. And trust me, Michigan is not going to get a Jabrill equivalent from the portal in return.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^
That might be true, but everyone can't go to Bama or Clemson. How many transfers do those guys get per year anyways? Bama had 8 guys transfer out last year and 2 in, a 3 star wr and an OL. Clemson had 6, 5 of which are 4* guys (none coming in), and both had successful QBs leave.
And how many Michigan players in the last 15 years would've been good enough to walk into a starting job at Bama?
By the way Clemson players transferred to:
Missouri
So Carolina
Boston College
Coastal Carolina
UNC
Maryland
Not exactly contenders.
February 4th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^
But Jabrill chose Michigan from the get-go. If he'd wanted to go to Alabama he would have committed while in high school. His was a typical 5-star path in that he became an immediate contributor at the school he committed to. Why would he leave? It's the guys who don't get immediate gratification who are susceptible to leaving.
In fact that would be my caveat: make the guys stay for at least one year and then let them transfer. This will weed out the kids who freak out or get homesick in the first month on campus.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:35 PM ^
I think it’s all about fairness more so than the impact it may cause at one school or the other. You can’t have athletes at the same institution have transfer rules that don’t apply to others because of the sport they play. Plus, you’re looking at it as just a trickle down effect. It also could benefit a school like Michigan, if there is an under recruited prospect tearing it up at a smaller school and wants to try it out at a bigger program.
February 4th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^
"kind of given up on the notion you have to have a year in residence to be successful academically."
Yeah well if the athletes are taking all their classes online, no shit.
February 4th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^
Apparently 25% of students who enroll in a four year institution transfer. They are allowed to do so without having to pay back any academic scholarships they have received. Why should student athletes be any different? Let them transfer without penalty. It's up to the next school to decide if they want to offer them a scholarship or not.
It's amazing this type of thing is even up for discussion (or apparently isn't according to the NCAA) yet the NCAA can't make a peep about schools encouraging athletes to take steroids, schools who don't feel any need to actually educate student athletes, or schools which are proven by FBI standards to illegally pay players which impacts the ability to have open and fair competition. Protect student safety, encourage academic development, provide fair and honest grounds for competition. It's not that hard NCAA.
February 4th, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^
The Harbaugh Rule
February 4th, 2020 at 3:08 PM ^
I’d like to see Warde push to have it formally named the Harbaugh rule. And all the Michigan reporters should start calling it that too.
February 4th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^
As always, if it portrays Michigan negatively it's Harbaugh's fault, otherwise it's "the Big 10".
February 4th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^
it helps the big schools to further concentrate talent. example...Saban sees a very talented true frashman left tackle starting at Washington State...Saban reaches out with a scholarship offer and more exposure for future NFL draft position. With immediate transfer and play...where is the downside for Alabama or the player?