SHEA AT OSU
I watched the second half of the OSU game yesterday. Fields was benched at half and I got to see their backups. I couldn’t help but realize Chris Chuginov and Gunnar Hoke are both better than Shea. How is it even possible that Shea would be the 4th string QB in Columbus? I’m all in on the DMac train.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:38 AM ^
I'm not sure those guys are better than Patterson. The grass is always greener.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:40 AM ^
Miami (NTM), although even if it were THAT Miami it would probably be the same.
I think we should consider the competition here.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:44 AM ^
Isn’t that what we said about Wisconsin’s first 2 games also?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
Yes, and now they've proven they can also beat bad Big Ten teams. Their next test will be Oct 26 at OSU.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:45 AM ^
I can't tell what you're saying.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
Maybe we would crush Miami ohio, central michigan and cincinatti also
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^
Ok.
But Michigan didn't crush Middle Tennessee, and Middle Tennessee just got dominated by Duke.
No, these new coaches just are not working out.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:30 AM ^
Stop with the "new coaches" shit. The common denominator is the head coach. Was it Drevno, or Pep, or Gattis, or Fisch, or Durkin, or Tolbert, or Frey, or Mattison? All these guys have been blamed for our lack of execution or bad play calls or lack of strength or recruiting. The same guy hired all of them.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:43 AM ^
Why do you have Fisch and Durkin on there?
Mattison was here when Jim Harbaugh was hired. And looking at what the defensive line is this year, it's clear Mattison is a great coach. The D line looks pretty bad, doesn't it. Ohio St is #2 in defense in the Nation right now, behind only Wisconsin at #1, and 3 places ahead of Michigan St at #5. Ohio Sts defense was #68 last year.
I think we've got a long, ugly year ahead of us.
September 22nd, 2019 at 2:41 PM ^
Fisch because people said he didn't use Peppers correctly, and Durkin because people said he checked out before the OSU game.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:20 AM ^
I'm agreeing with you...I think.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:03 PM ^
Shea’s stats at Ole Miss are nearly identical to what they are at UM. His first 3 games as a Freshman are also nearly identical to the first 3 games this year. With the OLine play at UM he has regressed, but his stats have never been elite.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
They definitely are not better.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:39 AM ^
Maybe consider the fact that OSU's offense has been in place for years since Meyer and that it's a system these guys, by assocation, have also been in for years. You know not like a few months in the case for Shea.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:45 AM ^
What kind of sense does that make considering Fields just transferred in and had to learn a new offense?! Same for Gunnar Hoak.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
LSU and Maryland quickly adapted to new offenses. I have doubts about Josh Gattis. I thought there were good signs in the 1st half of the Middle Tennessee game. But now I really think Gattis has to be fired. There was no semblance of competitiveness until the game was out of hand and Wisconsin let off the gas. The way it looks now Michigan is headed to 6 losses.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:23 AM ^
Hey remember how excited everyone was the last time we got an OC from Alabama? Remember how Nussmeir was going to fully implement manball as it was meant to be run and all was going to be right with the world once again?
Maybe the next time Saban wants to "allow" one of his treasured OCs to come up north and coordinate our offense we tell him "go fuck yourself Nick-you've already gotten us twice with that trick."
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:27 AM ^
Kind of like a college football version of the Mariel boatlift where Saban is Castro
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^
Now we know why Saban wanted him to stay, but not be the OC and playcaller
September 22nd, 2019 at 5:36 PM ^
It’s just like high school when the prom king dumps his attractive, brilliant girlfriend.
Maybe he was an idiot....but also, maybe he was on to something.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^
Exactly right UMx and the entire offense did change last year with Haskins. Gone was the traditional Urban Meyer zone read option. Now they’ve taken last year’s offense and added back the QB run.
They were playing Miami (OH), they are a MAC school and not a good one. With that being said, Day is an elite QB coach and the development by Fields since his transfer has been outstanding.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:09 PM ^
This. Like it or not, Day is a heck of an offensive mind and was pursued by several NFL teams. That was Day's offense last year - not Urban's. Urban turned over the keys to Day at the beginning of 2018.
With that said, I disagree about their backup QBs looking better than SP. Like mentioned, they were playing Miami but I also agree that they weren't chopped liver like some made them out to be in the preseason. Day's specialty is QB development and I saw some of that yesterday.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:22 PM ^
Because Day knows his offense quite well and has the personnel already there to adapt. It should be obvious that we have an entire team that has switched from harbaugh style to spread. So to your point, yes maybe Shea doesn't 100% have an excuse but you have an entire o-line and personnel that hasn't been in the system either. Can't say the same for OSU, they absolutely have personnel with experience in the system they are running.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:58 AM ^
Shea ran speed in space at Ole Miss. He should be dominating this offense.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^
Nobody is going to dominate with that OLine play. Not Justin Fields, not Trevor Lawrence, not Tua or Hurts, nobody.
With that being said Shea has regressed and throwing into double coverage while you have uncovered receivers is bad and the OLine only explains a portion of that.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^
Honestly dude just stop. Our problems go way beyond shea. The entire offense is an embarrassment. I'm sad, really. We haven't seen any improvements at all in the 3 games and I don't see how this magically gets better. It won't. There are huge problems..
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
I am really careful to bring out the word "fire". But Josh Gattis has to be fired.
I don't want to hear another week of coaches and players saying next week we're going to see great offense, not after two years of Pep Hamilton.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:01 AM ^
I agree. He's either a bad coach or a bad fit.
And another thing, when we're hiring coordinators and position coaches, we need to give more consideration to their recruiting abilities.
We need better athletes.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
The funny thing is though, there's players that committed to Michigan because of Josh Gattis, JJ McCarthy and AJ Henning among them. With both de-committ now?
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
Don't care. Like growold said above this is the second time we've been burned by an Alabama cast off. He needs to go.
Bring back Jedd Fisch.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:00 AM ^
Oh man, I was saying fire Gattis before everyone else was.
I'm just pointing out that Gattis made McCarthy and Henning commit. I'm sure it was just because he came from Alabama.
And I think McCarthy and Henning will de-commit now.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^
Agreed. I will take an average coach who is an elite recruiter vs. elite coach who is an average recruiter.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:51 AM ^
Dude no. An average coach gets us the same shit we’ve gotten for how many years now. And an average coach won’t be able to make his elite recruits much better.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:06 AM ^
Brady Hoke fan?
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
Fire Gattis. He returned 9 guys from an offense that averaged about 35 a game last year. We have stunk up the place with talented players across the board. We use TEs instead of our talented slot receivers. The offense has regressed so much and it’s entirely on him and Harbaugh.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:51 AM ^
Shea is easily the biggest issue with the offense though and when your QB is a problem then you arent going to have a good offense
He turns the ball over a ton. He cant make accurate throws consistently. He doesnt make easy to catch passes as in he throws ducks. He completely misses the open guys and locks on one WR instead. He is scared to run the ball.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:06 AM ^
Having to duck when he throws has something to do with throwing ducks.
Still, Shea is what OSU avoided when they ran off Tate.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:46 AM ^
Naw. All those arm punts he was throwing at the end and not a single one was a tight spiral. He looked like a kid just trying to throw the ball as far as he could with no regard for accuracy or form
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
Omg shut the fuck UP ALREADY. Wisconsin’s D kicked our fucking ass. McCaffery is WORSE. It’s so fucking obvious.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:55 AM ^
You, of all people, should NOT be saying "fuck UP", unless it's pertaining to little Timmy Izzo, who was born and raised in the UP. Fortunately, most Yoopers are not at all like him.
(Only very very slightly "/s")
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^
I’m northern LP. Which is up north to most Michiganders, nothing but respect for dem Yoopers!
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
Why does everyone ignore that McCaffrey generally looks like shit as well? He was 3-for-8 passing and launched himself into a concussion on two of his three carries.
I'm souring on Patterson, but both he and McCaffrey would also look incredible playing for OSU right now.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
Michigan should try hiring a HC that is good at recruiting, developing, and coaching QBs.
September 22nd, 2019 at 9:50 AM ^
I've soured on Gattis and McDaniels. I can't see why Jim Harbaugh can't find elite coaches.
There's probably 20 people on here who could sit with Jim Harbaugh and talk, and come up with better coaches than Greg Frey, Pep Hamilton, Josh Gattis, Shaun Nua, and Ben McDaniels.
Nick Saban comes up with great coaches probably 80% of the time. He replaces coaches all the time. It's a regular part of his work at Alabama. Jim Harbaugh really needs to take a good long look at how he picks coaches. It's like 50/50 success in the way he's doing it now. I don't know, maybe not even that good.
Jedd Fisch was working out so well. The team was constantly building. It's been strange on the offense since he's gone.
September 22nd, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^
Harbaugh should have respect for Saban, and if Saban wasn’t going to entrust Gattis as his OC then Jim shouldn’t have either. If he did, it damn sure shouldn’t have been without meeting him first, talking through philosophy and making sure he was a fit. Hiring him over a blind phone call is straight up negligent. That’s what the Atlantic report says happened and I haven’t seen ANY rebuttal to that. It’s truly unbelievable that could happen and reeks of desperation.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^
I hate to break it to you, but the assistant coaches aren't the problem. They aren't the reason for Saban's success and they aren't the reason for our current teams failure. Saban led MSU to a 10 win season then bolted to LSU, where he won a title. Failed in the pros then became the GOAT at Bama.
Harbaugh had Andrew Luck at Stanford and took over a talented San Fran team that started to tank in year four.
It's not on the assistants.
September 22nd, 2019 at 11:19 AM ^
No, San Francisco was not a good before he got there. You did not look things up before talking. They was a bad team before him. And they became a bad team again after he left.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:17 PM ^
For the record, Harbaugh has never won a conference title in college, not even at Stanford. They lost a regular season game to the conference winner, Oregon, 52-31. Does that sound at all familiar?
September 22nd, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^
Harbaugh's personality probably annoys a lot of people so they don't want to work with him would probably be the best guess as to why he can't get more assistants.