Serious question: Why hasn't Narduzzi and/or Dantonio been poached to a bigger program?

Submitted by jaggs on

You have an MSU program playing some consistently elite defense, and doing so at a program not able to attract consistently elite prospects. They've been on a pretty impressive run the past 4 years - 11-2, 11-3, 7-6 (6 losses by a combined 30 points) and now sitting at 7-1 with the top ranked defense in the country. 

Seems to me like Narduzzi should be a prime head coaching candidate at a major conference team, or a DC at a top 10-15 type team and Dantonio could probably be able to climb the ladder to a traditional top 25 type team where he could recruit better and further build his resume. 

I for one hope this happens sooner rather than later. What say you?

jaggs

October 30th, 2013 at 9:50 PM ^

so for the most of the last decade let's say Michigan hasn't performed to their standards. That doesn't change the success MSU has had the last 4 years. And even if we beat them every year, they would still have a good defense and some good teams over the years, so the point still stands.

MGJS SuperKick Party

October 31st, 2013 at 10:01 AM ^

As much as I would like to agree with you, I can't. It is definitely a bigger issue that I don't want to get into. But the punishments for a lot of players in the entire NCAA don't fit the crime.

Our coaching staff seems to do a great job nipping things in the bud or sitting people who are repeat offenders, but overall the system is broken.

Mr. Carson

October 30th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^

Jesus Christ if we get one more worthless, marginally relevent MSU thread I'm going to lose it.  SERENITY NOW

To answer your question, it's probably because not too many major programs are looking for a head coach who averages 4-5 losses per season in a terrible conference.

ijohnb

October 31st, 2013 at 6:06 AM ^

Take either. Michigan state as this deadly force is an illusion. We have one relevant common opponent, ND. We kicked their ass and state got beat. Nd defensive line is solid, good actually, Gardner was protected just fine. This won't be an easy game but state is not what you have been convinced they are. And no way in hell USC hires narduzzi. (And I doubt he would leave for uconn unless he is offered the basketball job)

superstringer

October 31st, 2013 at 9:23 AM ^

There's a second "relevant common opponent" -- Indiana.  Sparty whooped the Hoosers 42-28.  That would suggest, MSU's defense is significantly better than ours (28 v. 47).  It also suggests, our offense is significant better than MSU's (63 v. 42).  But their D v. our O, and vice versa....?

Yeoman

October 31st, 2013 at 11:17 AM ^

Massey has MSU as the #5 defense in the country (Alabama, Florida, VaTech, Stanford). Michigan is #84, tucked right behind Kansas and Colorado and in front of USF.

On offense Michigan is #17 and MSU is #63

Of course his rankings are based on points only (adjusted for schedule and with blowouts minimized) so the offense's turnovers wind up counting against the defense, but then MSU's defensive TDs get counted in favor of their offense. Michigan's spread between offense and defense is probably less than Massey credits; State's is probably more.

Don

October 30th, 2013 at 10:05 PM ^

Jesus Christ if we get one more worthless whiny comment about MSU posts that contains obviously misspelled words I'm going to lose it.

If you want to maintain your serenity, just don't read posts you have no interest in and stop presuming you speak for everybody else here.

ijohnb

October 31st, 2013 at 6:14 AM ^

Not the posts themselves it is the "oh my god state is hot, I wish I was their girlfriend" tone of the post that I am really sick of. Nobody has poached dantonio because he is a jackass and his teams are undisciplined. He has lost like 5 games due to it including the big ten title game in spectacular fashion. For a teams "golden years" state has not done shit. We played in and won a bcs game during their year of glory for god sake.

ijohnb

October 31st, 2013 at 12:12 PM ^

Why is everybody here, and basically everybody in this State, apologetic to Michigan State.  "Oohh, pardon us, we are so terribly embarrased that we wrote Go Blue above your stadium, what little class we have."  Screw that, "yeah, we wrote Go Blue over your dump truck of a stadium because it was marginally funny and will do it again if we feel like it."  Look closer at what is going on right now in terms of the media coverage of this game.  Michigan State's fans are collecively whining with staggering force because, gasp, Taylor Lewan said he was not going to pushed around.  Guess what, HE IS NOT and that is why he is saying it.  State wanted this to be a rivalry, now we are treating it like one and they are calling home to Mommy everytime Michigan is mentioned.  I am convinced that half of the posts over the last 3 days by posters with generic avatars and 7 mgopoints are sparty trolls with gems similar to "Serious question:  Is Dantonio actually God?"  This is effectively back lash from the fact that in the last two years, we went to and won the Sugar Bowl, beat them, won 4 out of 6 in basketball including a beat down on their home floor, went to the National Championship title game and are now sailing by them in recruiting in both sports all while they are kissing their Capitol One Bowl rings from 2 years ago as their big reveal from their years of dominance.  I don't want people over here to be RCMB about things but you would think that this is a Michigan State blog if you read it right now.  Michigan is going to win this weekend.  Let's discuss things from there.

go16blue

October 30th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

The guy said serious answers guys...

 

Dantonio has never struck me as a prime coaching candidate. His teams have only been truly great one or two years, other than that he's relied on a great defense (at least partly attributed to Narduzzi) and mediocre overall teams. Coupled with the fact that he's getting pretty old, I don't think he's going anywhere.

Narduzzi is young and has the potential to be a HC, but I don't think he's going anywhere else until he gets a good offer. He reportedly really loves it in Lansing (imagine that), has family there, and iirc recently got a pretty big raise. I'm sure he's gotten lots of offers to be DC all over the country, but hasn't jumped on any. Until he gets a reasonably big HC offer I think he stays in Lansing. Thankfully for us, I think that happens after this year.

M-Dog

October 31st, 2013 at 9:57 AM ^

Dantonio may have found his level.  He does not have to go lower and there is no point in going sideways.  

We bust on MSU, and they are indeed not elite, but they are a solid program.  There aren't even 20 programs that are far enough ahead of them to make a switch worthwhile. 

As for those 20, I don't think any of them are going to take a serious look at Dantonio.  Dantonio is a Kirk Firenz type.  There is nothing that compelling for a Texas or a USC to think they can't do better. 

Jury is still out on Narduzzi.  I think he does indeed wind up as a head coach somewhere.

charblue.

October 31st, 2013 at 3:17 PM ^

indicating that Narduzzi will consider moving to become a head coach if he gets the right offer. Apparently, he earns $512 k a year with a recent raise, and the school would like to keep him as a successor to Dantonio, but Narduzzi said he isn't waiting for that to happen to advance his career. Depending on how things go for Sparty this year, with a possible Rose Bowl run, he could have several head coaching options. 

Apparently Narduzzi met Dantonio while both were on staff at Youngstown State under Tressel. Narduzzi got his start in coaching with Michigan former DC Scot Shafer, now head coach of Syracuse, at the University of Rhode Island. Later, on staff at  Youngstown, Narduzzi's dad got canned, and he stayed. His dad had coached at Pittsburgh, Miami and couple other major schools. So, he has the coaching pedigree. 

That background ought to explain why MSU plays the style it does and treats this rivalry with the same intensity as that other one at season's end. 

Serious answer: Narduzzi likes working for Dantonio, but will leave with the right head coach offer, noting that he is now ready for the opportunity if it materializes. Saturday will go a long way in determining his future beyond this season elsewhere. 

mgobleu

October 30th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

why Mork hasn't been stolen away yet; he's just not that enticing. Nard dogg, otoh, I think is going to be fielding some very interesting phone calls toward the end of this seaso of he isn't already. I honestly think Narduzzi is a much better coach than his boss is.

chunkums

October 30th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^

Here is where I strongly disagree. I think this defense is a Dantonio thing, and hiring Narduzzi would be like hiring a relative unknown. Dantonio has a very strong pedigree as a DC, and I would bet that we have a Saban-type situation where he is the real DC.

clarkiefromcanada

October 30th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

How many BCS bowls? How many Rose Bowls? Combine that with ski masks, nerd beat downs and an unenviable bowl record it looks like Mark D. Has hit his ceiling. It will be interesting to see what happens when Narduzzi leaves but maybe he won't seeing the success of Dan Enos et al.

buddha

October 30th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^

I'm not sure why you have been negged for this post. It's a good question and one that seems confusing to me too.

I guess I can somewhat understand Dantonio. He's a bit older (57) and has - to his credit - built a mini-empire for himself at MSU. Moreover, he's greatly outperformed expectations and has done a good job of creating some good job security for himself. I presume he views too many costs and not enough benefits with jumping ship to go anywhere else.

Narduzzi is a head scratcher though. I genuinely don't understand why every major team isn't knocking on his door to be their DC; and / or, I don't understand why second-tier teams aren't approaching him about head-coaching vacancies. He's done a pretty incredible job turning MSU's defense into an elite group, and he's done it without recruiting 4* and 5* players consistently. 

The other side of Narduzzi, though, is I've heard (from posters on this board) that Dantonio is really the brains behind the defense, and Narduzzi is the pretty face. I don't know how accurate that is, but I heard it from a reliable source...on the Internet...so you know it's true.

LSAClassOf2000

October 30th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^

In several interviews, Mark Dantonio has said that he is pretty certain he'll lose Narduzzi to a head coaching position somewhere eventually, but at the same time, he applauds his loyalty. I believe they even gave Narduzzi the title of assistant head coach due in part to the fact that he often manages the daily operations program when Dantonio was not around and did so even before formally accepting the title of assistance HC. That aside, I believe MSU has been shelling out to keep both of them - I would imagine that this is because they don't want to be in the market for replacements for a long while.  

MGJS SuperKick Party

October 30th, 2013 at 10:06 PM ^

You said that twice. You're still a horrible troll.

MSU has beaten us 4 out if the 6 years he has been there. He's a good coach. That isn't an accurate representation of his ability. He is a fantastic coach when it comes to building up defensive talent. You realize he fights with us, Ohio State and Notre Dame for recruits and he still has a top 5 defense in college football. Hate him, love him, despise him, but you gotta respect what he is doing with the talent he gets