It has begun.
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
It has begun.
This post brought to you by the year 2010.
This is when the whores come in.
This is why we can't have anything nice!
Rutgers fans seem really excited:
"What a great day for Rutgers. Now let's run the table and hopefully go into the Big Ten in 2014 as back to back Big East and hopefully Orange Bowl champs!!!"
"Perhaps the biggest day in Rutgers athetic history!!!! What a windfall for the school. Perhaps now we can get those canceled sports back too?"
"During my days on the banks, we were an all boys school and our biggest game was Princeton. To see the Scarlet line up against the likes go Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State on a regular basis is a dream come true. We've come a long way baby! "
"In a perfect world, it would have been nice to see Big East succeed, but RU was always the red headed step-child there. Heck, they didn't even want us when they decided to add football - it was years before they let us in for hoops. It was originally and always will be a basketball league first. So is the ACC, which is why they can't pay their teams what the B1G can. Football drives the TV deals."
"I can't believe this...sports culture at RU will completely change overnight. Awesome."
"Rutgers football is already better than many of the Big-10 programs."
that someone is excited about it, that is.
To see the Scarlet line up against the likes go Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State on a regular basis is a dream come true.
Hmm...what's wrong with this picture?
Has the media hype over the past few years really brainwashed the entire country into thinking that Sparty is an elite program? Leave out Nebraska but include MSU? Really?
Make it stop.
Let's all burn the messenger... neg his ass!!!
sparty vs scarlet knight: battle of the mascots who wear skirts.
One reason to not base your opinion of an entire school on, "what the mascot looks like".
Can I judge them for being in New Jersey? Or will it be nice to see some phony spray tans once every couple of years.
Even Sparty couldn't take being part of MSU anymore...
but I'm too busy buying a train ticket from Philly to New Brunswick for 2015.
Just the selfish side of me but Philly to New Brunswick and Philly to MD is good news for me.
I know many on this board don't approve of this expansion, but for the many thousands of alumni on the East Coast this is awesome! I cannot wait to take the family to games at MD & RU!!
And, for what it is worth, I think both athletic programs will compete better than many are expecting.
Agreed. Michigan games in NJ every other year? Yes please.
Rutgers joining the Big 10 is like bad weather - if it's inevitable, just lie back and enjoy it.
That's only if they end up in the same division. Otherwise it's once every 12 years, at least if the SEC's current 14 team model is used.
They'll play each other once every 6 years. Less often than Michigan plays each of the directional Michigans. Totally the same conference though.
So is that it? Can I come from out of my basement now?
I kind of wish they waited until after the football season to do this/announce this.
But I think we can at least all agree that the league is fast becoming a leader in helmet diversity...And I will say that I would have loved those Rutgers helmets when I was ten.
So this week the B1G has gained crab cakes and slutty Jersey girls. Lucky for you Delaney I am in to both of these.
mmmmm.....slutty Jersey girls.
I just saw this recently, so it was the first thing I thought of when I read "crabs."
that we at least go up to 9 conference games after all this is said and done. 8 is BS.
We were already going up to 9 in a few years. (2017 if memory serves me correctly)
Rutgers played in the frist college football game ever in 1869.
since then, not much.
if you don't laugh, you'll cry.
YAY! Stereotypes are FUN! Can I do Texas next?!
So if I can't stereotype you (or laughs or for real), why do you get to stereotype others?
Just thought the Jersey Shore thing was funny (still think so). Tell ya what, you get one free stereotype at my expense. Even Steven? Damn wish I knew more about Wyoming LOL!
And Rutgers reinforced it when they paid snookie to speak at graduation. You don't like the stereotype? Complain to the state and the university for promoting them.
Toni Morrison also spoke that year and they paid her a smaller fee
Dude, don't get all wrapped up in the justice/fairness angle. "Don't Mess With Texas" is just plain ol' good advice.
I always thought it was funny that slogan came from an anti-littering campaign.
It helps to bring some more Big Ten presence to the East Coast, as much as I hate us deviating too far from what we've been about for so long. The ACC and Big East have traditionally had a very dominant footprint on the East Coast as far as athletics go. Maybe we can add another two schools to get to 16 someday with at least one of them being within a couple hours of I-95. That way we'll be a truly midwestern and northeast/mid-atlantic conference as opposed to being a midwestern one with some east coast sprinkled in.
What's wrong with tapping into BC over Rutgers? I wonder if other ACC schools were on the table, but they couldn't afford that $50m exit fee.
I think NW likes being the only private school in the conference.
Great. I can't fucking wait for the Rutgers game that replaces games against Illinois, Wisconsin, etc.
Or, there is an added big ten game and Rutgers or Maryland replaces a directional Michigan team.
I don't know why 14 teams necessarily means nine conference games. It doesn't for the ACC. We're talking about people who think it's a good idea to add two extremely mediocre non-Midwestern teams to the conference because they think it will make the TV network more lucrative. Competition issues be damned. What makes you think they'll add any conference games?
Because larger conferences are brand new ideas and the details are being worked out as the expansions happen. What makes you think we are stuck forever at 8 games?
Because we tried the 9-game thing and it died on the vine before it even started. Why? Because teams objected to the loss of home games that they could buy from bodybag teams like Eastern Michigan. None of the objections to a 9-game schedule disappear just because of two extra teams in the conference.
Didn't the conference just add two body bag teams in the form of Maryland and Rutgers?
the existing Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Iowa body bag games? It feels strange trading IA and NW on that list.
Well, yes, but we'll be forced to visit them instead of buying a home game.
With the new playoff coming up, snacky cakes will be frowned upon for strength of schedule reasons.
The teams that have legitimate hopes of making a playoff are far outvoted by the teams that are constantly trying to tread water financially and need the snackycakes more than they need an extra non-moneymaking road game. Especially since we just added two more of the latter.
Look on the bright side. The addition of Maryland yesterday and Rutgers today probably does mean the end of the idiotic Legends and Leaders division names.
So there's that at least.
then it is worth it for expansion to happen. Leaders/Legends can't be disposed of soon enough.
Sadly though I think Delany & Co are going to dig in their heels...sigh.
Most of us feel the same way about this movement. We don't want it. But Delany, and the AD's don't care about what we want. They only care about what makes the athletic department, and the conference money, which is their job. Adding RU and Maryland wil allow the Big Ten to renogtioate a television contract, that all of this movement is about. The media markets that RU and Maryland provide have the AD's and the TV netowrk licking their chops.
The crook.. :/
Don't assume all east-coasters are for this. I would rather have to travel for a more legitimate college Saturday experience, than allowing a couple semi-commuter schools into the conference.
How will this get more people watching the B1G Network when these are awful teams we're putting out there?
So the SEC adds a team that knocks off the number 1 team in the country. And we add two teams that get into pillow fights with FCS teams.
It's actually pretty easy - there are actually fans of these teams (believe it or not), and those fans like to watch their team on TV. Before their teams were in the B1G, they watched their teams on whatever network aired their team's game (or didn't at all because the games weren't worthy of any air time). Now, they will watch their teams play on the BTN. This means more viewers for the BTN.
This should really help the perception that the Big Ten is weak.
NEW CONFERENCE ALIGNMENTS PLEASE!!!
Maryland will help the conference in getting exposure in the east, and they have other sports besides football that will add to the conference. And Rutgers has um, we'll ok I don't have any idea what they bring to the conference besides bad sports and ugly helmets.
I predicted that Delaney was going to come up with some magic, and net FSU instead of Maryland.
I was very, very wrong.
Sorry, but how does FSU at all make sense in the B1G?
It doesn't, but I'm having trouble rationalizing Maryland to the B1G as anything but a cold-hearted cash grab. I was hopeful that if we were going to try to make a move from the ACC, it would be the team that would actually make the conference a bit more relevant, instead of simply a bit bigger.
The era of "making sense" is officially dead.
Sure, but at least Maryland makes a little bit of sense, beyond just the money-making aspect: it's within a reasonable distance of the existing B1G footprint; FSU isn't anywhere close geographically.
Maryland. Delaney is a fraud. This is our big gambit? Fucking Rutgers and fucking Maryland? I hope this blows up in his fat face and not 1 tv set adds the B!G network as a result of this.
fsu doesn't remotely fit in from an academic standpoint, nor does it from a cultural one.
We are going to describe to our grandkids the the glory days of College Football pre-BCS!
I can imagine the stories now.
Can we scrub the ideas of the BCS and the super conferences? Please!
How long do we have to continue the "sky is falling" mentality? Is there a standard or playing it by ear?
The Conference remained virtually unchanged for 40 years. In the past three years we have experienced dramatic changes (Addition of a 12th team, realignment, championship game). The main issue I have along with other fans is the competitive viability of a Rutgers and Maryland. Are these teams going to be the equivolent of another football Indiana? I would prefer to see the competitive balance of the conference remain strong.
Fans were excited about Nebraska because of what they offered athletically; Maryland and Rutgers, not so much.
In order to fully dilute the conference I say we add Utah State, Wyoming Community College -West and Ft. Lauderdale College for the Blind. Their mascot is the flying couldn't-give-a-fuck and he looks mean. Seriously though this is an awful day for the B1G. Probably the dumbest thing I have seen. Let's add two schools that actually bring value to the conference instead of a cash grab?
At least it's not Temple! Amirite?
Ok, can everyone stop saying how Maryland and Rutgers are going to help get MICHIGAN exposure in the East? HOLY COW! It is RUTGERS! No one cares about that glorified commuter school. When was the last time you saw someone with "Rutgers Pride". No one cares about that piece of turd school. I'm glad we're now content to add Minnesota's and Indianas (except without the Midwestern-ness, history, traditional rivalries, college towns, or any benefit other than some bull-shit money grab). "Oh, I live on the East Coast so now I can go to more Michigan games!!!!" Thanks a-hole, you're so selfish you'd rather see the brand dilute itself to Big East levels than drive to Penn State? Rutgers is a JOKE! Did they even have a football team pre-mid200s? Ditto with Maryland, all I know about the football team is they used to have a really fat coach. Hey, at least you can get tickets cheaply, since no one else seems to want to go to Maryland or Rutgers football games.
Hey guy, it's ok. You'll be ok.
It's not your fault
I would like 2 extra wins a year!
This is literally terrible news...not sure if anyone remembers when Michigan played UCONN the army of guidos who showed up in AA. Well folks..Rutgers is like UCONN's big bro with a blow out, crotch rocket motorcycle, and a barbwire tatoo around the naval section...I cant wait!
This is a fucking disaster, and every single AD who votes for this needs to lose his job. So does Delaney. The gullible idiots who think that there's going to be some massive windfall of cable carriage fees are going to be sorely disappointed when the local cable carriers tell the BTN to go fuck themselves, because nobody on the East Coast gives a crap if they miss the Maryland vs Old Dominion football game. The conference once known as the Big Ten is now destroyed. In its place is nothing but a financial and marketing arrangement.
i initially thought that this was a stupid idea, but after thinking about it for a while, i think it has a ton of potential. dc and nyc have no major college football teams in their proximity. delany is bringing big time college football to those areas, and to cities with a ton of big ten alums. he could put a huge monopoly on the nyc and dc markets. are there major programs in those cities? no, but there are a ton of people in those cities that care about college football. i also think this move will help rutgers as a program. they recruit very well, and now with opponents like osu and umich vs usf and cincinatti, recruits will be even more attracted to the program. maryland, we'll see. finally, i think this is a big middle finger to notre dame. if they won't join the big ten, raid the conference that they do join and put pressure on them to rethink their options. this all might be part of a long term plan to get notre dame back in the fold. delany knows that maryland and rutgers football aren't worldbeaters, but this is all part of a bigger plan.
Those people already get tons of college football, including tons of Big Ten football. They get three nationally televised Big Ten games every week on the Disney networks. Satlellite subscribers get the BTN. The only games of interest that this expansion adds are the shitty contests that will be on the Big Ten Network like Maryland vs Rutgers or Rutgers vs Akron. Anyone thinking that the local cable providers in New York, New Jersey, and Maryland are going to have no problem extorting the carriage fees from all of their customers so that the nonexistent fans of these shitty programs can see them play MAC teams and I-AA teams is gullible as hell.
BTN is already standard on one of the two major cable provider in NYC (Verizon), so you don't think this would help get them on Time Warner Cable? And seriously, throwing in a weak OOC game as your rationale? Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska and OSU all play conference games on BTN, so there's just as good a chance that Michigan vs. Rutgers games will be on BTN.
If the BTN is already standard on one cable network than I though, then this is even more retarded than I thought.
Anyone who gives a crap about Michigan vs Rutgers on the BTN already has the BTN, because that person is a Michigan fan. That's why it doesn't matter if Michigan vs Rutgers is on that network. Rutgers vs Michigan is simply replacing Indiana or Northwestern vs Michigan. Nobody in New York City who doesn't care about the BTN is suddenly going to care about it because Rutgers is suddenly on it. If these lucrative new markets are going to make so much money, then the ACC and the Big East should be drowning like crazy in cash, because they have had those markets for years. But they aren't because nobody cares about Rutgers or Maryland football. They are garbage programs with a garbage following, and the shitty revenues generated by their athletic department compared to the Big Ten mean reflect that. That's why this "TV markets" argument is complete bunk. The Big Ten already has a huge presence in these markets, and it makes more money than the programs who are native to these markets. As I said above, the country gets to see three nationally televised games on Disney networks every weekend. People talk about TV markets as if it's the 1950s and there's no such thing as satellite TV or multiple ESPNs.
This is what is known as a "dilutive acquisition'.
I'm not excited by the expansion, but I think the areas/schools chosen at least make sense. I don't think Delaney had ND in mind at all, though. I seriously doubt that he's introducing these sorts of less-than-popular decisions with anything or anyone in mind other than the health of his conference members.
I always considered the Big ten to be the de facto east coast conference and now we make it official - and strengthening recruiting grounds too.
For those who think that this move weakens the conference - think about all the new talent the big ten teams can pull in now. Not so much an issue for UM and OSU, but I expect other schools to get a talent boost in the next few years.
i agree. instead of looking at this all as a negative and tv deals, alums from the original 10 now get to see their teams actually play in the NJ/NYC and DC area.
of course, if the leaked divs are true -- it's more PSU and OSU now than U-M, but cool none the less.
*runs around flapping arms while dodging sky pieces*
In one sense, it is sort of a shame that the Big East let the window of exclusivity on the negotiations for a new television deal pass, because I wonder if that would have made Rutgers think about this longer. I have to believe that the prospect of being relegated to Piscataway Public Access drove some of this for Rutgers, and indeed, the prospect of the NYC/NJ market for the Big Ten, as other have mentioned, driving subscription fees over $1 per subscriber potentially.
It could also be part of Connecticuit's master plan to rule the ACC Atlantic Division - after all, their 4-6 record would place them right into Maryland's spot in the division, and they can work their way up from there, right?
Then again, to be fair, Rutgers has devoted quite a bit of time and effort to being, for example, 9-1 in the Big East, and I suppose if they want to attempt a move to "the next level" - as they perceive it apparently - and have their shot somewhere, that makes sense for them. Part of me thinks this is Rutgers making a "career decision" with the invite from the Big Ten, if you will, but also, I think the potential revenue stream helps out a somewhat strapped Rutgers athletic department too, so there is that as well.
Pitt and Syracuse? They said Pitt and Syracuse, yes? No?
My respect for the University of Maryland increased greatly after watching the recent Joe Namath documentary. Apparently Joe applied to that UM, where he would undoubtedly have been a star football player. Despite an almost-certain shot in the arm to its football program, UM concluded Joe's academic credentials were insufficient for admission. Joe then went down to Alabama, where such considerations posed no barrier to his enrollment and, I suggest, no barrier to his continued academic eligibility.
Welcome both that UM and Rutgers.
I get what's in it for Maryland and Rutgers. I'm not sure what's in it for the B1G.
If Maryland and Rutgers are such a strong compelling presence in the DC/Baltimore and JY/NJ markets, why hasn't that helped the ACC or Big East more?
Put it this way, if the ACC and Big East did not already have MD and Rutgers, how much do you think it would help them to add those teams now? Very little.
They are not just adding these teams.
They are adding the left half of the largest TV market in the country; the right half of the fourth largest TV market in the country and top half of the ninth largest TV market in the country to TBN. (The left half of the fourth largest market is already secured by PSU.) They are adding the attention of Metro Washington DC and the Greater New York area, by creating a presence in the Nation's Capital and the World's Financial Center. They are adding the two wealthiest states in the Union to the B1G footprint.
You're Michigan Man, I know you can begin to view these additions from a business standpoint.
Man, I hate to be on the wrong side of the mirror on this.
As much as we try to hold the integrity and academic standards of the Big Ten over the other conferences as the example of "doing it the right way", we are the conference that is most in the wrong on this issue.
We are doing this purley to scrape more $$ off the table, tradition and integrity be damned. We hold NO moral high ground over the SEC anymore. They cheat and we're whores. Welcome to "college" football 2012.
I don't really think we needed to expand at this point, as it seemed like most reasonable options were off the table, and if we were going to, I think we could have done better. However, academically, it's a neutral, as our lowest school academically that isn't a recent addition is MSU at 75 nationally or so, and both Maryland and Rutgers preserve that, as well as having decent research budgets, etc. Athletically, New Jersey actually no longer has any pro teams in the state, and Rutgers is the biggest game in town now (not saying much, I know), but if they get better/play better opponents, maybe they'll make this good. Maryland seems to be on the upswing in basketball again, and who knows with football. With secondary sports like soccer and lacrosse, they'd jump to the top of the conference automatically.
Another hidden benefit is that with Maryland leaving, other schools like FSU and Clemson might want to jump the ACC, which could send it into a tailspin, leaving certain members the B1G might actually want like UNC/Duke/UVA/GT open and unattached, which could be strategic. Then again, it might just stop where it is for now, and it just seems weird.
The Giants and the Jets along the the Devils all still play in New Jersey.
Well, I've had my share of whining for the day. Thanks board I don't know where I'd get incessant whining without you.
A good school joined the conference and everyone knew expansion was coming, that seems worthy of a good 600 cry baby posts. No wonder mods quit.
Maybe this is a reaction to the MooU's move to ACC. :)
MooU out, MD/RU in.... not bad IMO.