Rocco Spindler trending to ND
With recent crystal balls trending to Notre Dame for Spindler, how is Michigan going to keep up with Ohio State when they can't even keep the best players in Michigan going to Michigan? Notre Dame isn't using bagmen. If Harbaugh misses on Edwards, Michigan will only have 1 of the top 5 recruits in the state.
How is Michigan going to keep up with Ohio State? Well, they're not keeping up with Ohio State. That seems abundantly clear.
OSU's offense could legitimately start a 5 star at every position by 2021. And UM is out here accepting commitments from Casey Phinney, Domick Guidice, TJ Guy, and McBurrows. All 3 stars, two without any power 5 offers, one who we beat out Cuse and Pitt for, and the last one who probably has most of his "offers" because he's Dallas Turner's cousin. Shaun Nua, Bob Shoop, and Mike Zordich are absolutely worthless recruiters unless generic 3 stars are your thing. Then everyone can convince themselves to "trust the coaches" "his film looks better than his ranking" "look at his offer list" and all the other nonsense they tell themselves for 51 weeks out of the year. Then OSU week rolls around, they blast us by 30, we all admit UM needs to recruit on their level to even have a chance, and then we go right back to pretending Harbaugh's recruiting is fine as he signs another class that is half full of 3 stars and not enough legitimate top 100 blue chippers (if any, two of the last three classes haven't had a single top 100 player). But hey, at least we can brag about the team GPA and the fact that we don't pay kids for their labor.
Weird ass fan base.
We know Maizen...
Please.
Just.
Shut.
The.
Fuck.
Up.
Again Maizen, I challenge you to identify all of the kids in the top 100 who Michigan should legitimately have a chance with and then compare Harbaugh’s recruiting with the likes of other schools who work under the same construct.
Well, we’re waiting...
Who's Maizen? Also I have literally no idea what the rest of this post is supposed to mean.
If you think signing zero top 100 recruit two of the last three years is the best UM can do, then uh yikes.
"wHo'S mAiZeN?"
You literally make the same fucking comments with the same annoying complaints in the same annoying manner with every new account you make. Try harder if you don't want people to immediately know who you are
April 26th, 2020 at 11:51 PM ^
Or what was the last one? Daizn?
He's a TRUE BELIEVER that sees dissent from the faith (in recruiting rankings) and won't stop whining until everyone on this blog is converted.
He's dropping "truth bombs" along with his fellow concern trolls on the great unwashed masses of the MGoFanbase who "just don't get it".
The guy is a dumbass just running the same talking points which any of us who hold tickets or any of us who watch/attend the games already know. Thus, continuing to yell about a) recruiting is not equal to M rivals; b) anger about the coaching staff and various recruiters; c ) ongoing posts about recruiting rankings and d) name calling those who either don't agree, allegedly don't care with the same passion (they probably do if they are at MGo but don't post like idiots) or willingly accept status quo.
ProTip: Shouting about the same problems we all see on a fcuking fan blog changes nothing.
Are you guys tired of “boy back in the day we were good”
Uh did we not sign the #1 recruit in the country a few years ago? Now it's unrealistic to expect Harbaugh to land more top 100 guys?
I'm guessing most people on this blog are too young to remember the Bo, Moeller, and Carr years. But in particular the Moeller and Carr eras produced top 5 class after top 5 class. Lloyd wanted to retire in 2006 and the last two years or so his recruiting reflected that, but otherwise he was signing amazing classes. He wanted to leave the next coach a QB and that's why UM put so much effort into Ryan Mallett who was the #3 overall recruit in the country that year. The thing is even after the rich rod debacle Hoke was still able to sign two top 5 classes and he also had the #1 class in the country in the summer of 2014 (Mike Weber, Damien Harris, George Campbell, Darian Roseboro, Chris Clark, etc. all committed). So this idea that UM can't land big time guys is simply not true. It's just what people want you to believe because Harbaugh isn't doing his job well enough.
Sorry dude. All those players that decommitted from the “#1 class in the country” did so for a reason, and I’m willing to bet that it’s because that team lacked coaching and it showed on the field. Not defending Harbaugh, just saying that listing kids that didn’t sign with Michigan doesn’t help make your point.
Mo brought in talent. Lloyd rode that for awhile. When Bo had a big fish to catch , Mo was in the room with him. And when Mo was the head coach...the talent was brought in from around the country.
You made the point for me. Michigan signed the #1 player once in how many years? How many other years is Michigan even in the running for the top player? How many of those top players consider Alabama, OSU, Clemson, LSU, etc. every year?
Remember, the story is Gary turned down $400K from Clemson at the last minute or Michigan would not have signed the top player and Clemson (see list above) would have. How often is a kid or his family going to turn down $400K? Not sure, but I think we already have a good idea of the answer.
This is the part I would like the “OMG Michigan can’t recruit like OSU, Alabama” crowd to acknowledge. Michigan may pay, but not on the scale the schools listed above will. They also have limits on who they will recruit based on character and grades. And yes, Michigan has had it’s share of problematic players but nothing on the scale of what Urban Meyer had at Florida or Saban has had at Alabama. And don’t be fooled, there are far more issues than what is publicly known at Alabama. Don’t forget the first thing Kirby Smart did at Georgia was have a state law changed to be better able to hide wrongdoing. Think about that. Link for those that don’t remember (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/16/11683758/georgia-uga-records-law-kirby-smart-recruiting)
So yes, I think a large portion of the fan base understands Michigan does not recruit like OSU, the difference is, we are also willing to acknowledge why and not hide from that truth.
There's nothing noble about not paying players for their labor.
Whether college level student-athletes should be paid to play sports or not is a separate discussion. Not surprising, I’ve seldom, if ever, seen your many iterations pop-up in those countless argument threads. Wonder why that is?
Wtf are you talking about? We used to sign classes just like those schools ON THE REGULAR under Carr. We used to get top ten players literally every year.
Again, we got two in back to back years in 2016 and 2017 (Gary and DPJ) and now it's unrealistic?
There is nothing different about college football recruiting in terms of paying players than there was 20 years ago. It's always been dirty.
What’s changed is how dirty Michigan is willing to get thanks to the basketball and football sanctions.
I’d also guess Harbaugh, and probably Warde M., are less inclined to cheat based on their backgrounds. We see the results of that on the field now.
Beilein made it to two Championship games playing clean in a dirty world. The hope is Harbaugh can do the same, and hopefully unlike Beilein, doesn’t get fed up with it and leave.
No, what's changed is Harbaugh has lost a lot of his best recruiters.
Whole 3rd paragraph is bs on the Michigan side. We can’t recruit right now because we don’t win the big games that’s all there is to it.
And he flamed out —just saying
Yes, it is. Michigan is still a big name and has the academics and just enough success that they’ll pull a couple top 100 guys pretty much every year. Michigan isn’t going to recruit like OSU, Bama, LSU, Georgia, etc, until we reach the levels of success that they’ve reached. It’s unrealistic to expect Michigan to do it.
Michigan’s ceiling in recruiting right now is getting a couple top 100 guys. A couple more top 200 guys. And filling the rest of the class with low four star-high three star guys and taking a couple under the radar kids. They’ll get a Rashan Gary, Dax Hill, Chris Hinton every other year or so. They’ll get a couple guys who sneak in the top 100 and get a couple guys who just miss out on the top 100. It is what it is. Whether we want to admit it or not, that’s where Michigan is as a program. We just haven’t had the results it takes to recruit at an elite level.
Hey Bryson, choke to death on a giant cock.
How has a mod not assasinated this acount yet? Do you even care about this blog anymore?
Don't particularly care for Maizen's posts...but can't find any fault in his perspective here.
The really sad thing is, if I was a Father of a top 10 kid in Michigan and wanted to see him develop / become the best player he could be, I don't know if I would push him toward playing at Michigan. Not if he had offers to other major Power 5 programs.
Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more clear what Michigan Football is / gonna be under Harbaugh. It isn't horrible by any means, just not what we all had hoped for and not what is gonna attract high 4 star / 5 star players consistently.
Michigan literally just had four OL drafted yesterday, including one in the fourth round. One was a top ten recruit from the state of Michigan.
Michigan’s top two years of most players drafted by the NFL were under Harbaugh. This year was #2 and 2017 was #1.
Michigan recruits perennial top ten classes. Could we see improvement? Sure but we have enough talent to break through. The constant hyper criticism is either trolling or just neurotic bull shit. Either way it’s insulting to the players and the team.
We need some better QB play and we need to figure out how to stop Osu’s offense which not many have.
The Harbaugh shine is for sure gone amongst recruits and he's losing fans too. 2016 had a stacked class based on first year results, 2017 ranked higher based on the 2016 season. Now after seeing 5 years of what Michigan is, which is between 8-5 to 10-3 based on the schedule and a guaranteed loss to OSU kids are seeing its not worth going there if you're a top player.
Harbaugh is basically admitting defeat with the whole profile test to get the "best match" of player for the program with a bunch of super low ranked guys. I feel he's lost his touch for the game. Hiring Gattis was big to change the offense, which needed to be done, but Harbaugh doesn't seem like he's made to succeed in this new era of college football.
Harbaugh is a dinosaur, and the meteor already hit.
Urban and those B1G refs were the meteor. I’m not saying that game broke him as a human, but it looks like he’s no longer shooting for national championships with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.
Michigan is much better off than when he got here, but it’s hard to see some sort of jump to elite status happening with Harbaugh as HC.
I feel the same way. Miazen's words are our reality, many just cant accept it. Michigan simply does not recruit/develop well enough to escape the division. I think Warinner is the only coach worth his salary. Give that man a raise...fast
Your premise is lost at you don’t know,”if” the moment you agree with a poster that is possessed at best with prayers from above just shows that you’re similar and miss me with the he has good points. I refuse to go back and quote,”that idiot” but if you read his posts he says,”we” as I’m he’s a Michigan fan and then in the same vein will talk about the Michigan Fanbase. He’s not a Michigan fan. We don’t need an idiot in here to point out bad things about our recruiting and this IDIOT absolutely never shows up at any time when we do land a 4-5 star in football. And lastly, what grown man cares that much about another fanbases recruits anyway? And you agree with him? Whew. Talking about clueless in Seattle.
Dude.. I'm an OSU fan, it makes me smile reading about recruiting fails and Harbaugh being the weird guy he is... but you make me cringe.. for all Michigan fans. Take a deep breath, be thankful you and those you care about (presumably) have their health. It's college football, not world war.
April 26th, 2020 at 11:22 PM ^
Easy to say from your point of view. I'm 34 and the team that I grew up idolizing and, in part, built my life around is essentially gone.
Luckily I got a great degree out of my fandom, but Michigan football was a huge part of my life and it has become one continuous kick in the dick.
I get it.. OSU can't get over the hump against Clemson. It's a kick in the dick whether we get blown out (31-0), or like last year, when we probably had the better team but turnovers and some questionable calls went against us.
I just don't understand what exactly Berns11 wants your fan base to do, rise up and riot in front of Schembechler Hall? Roll Harbaugh's car over? He's probably correct in that the two teams are on different recruiting trajectories, just not sure exactly what yelling at people on the internet is going to do about it?
As for you thinking OSU is getting kicked in the dick by Clemson....even if I wasn't a Michigan fan I'd refuse to feel bad for you. Not that you're asking for sympathy, but OSU is in the midst of a 20 year golden age that still somehow looks like its only just getting started. Ryan Day is somehow out-recruiting Urban Meyer (who the fuck does that?), and while you didn't win it all this year, with the trajectory OSU is on I'd be shocked if they didn't win at least one title in the next five years. Saban is on his way out in the next few years, Orgeron probably caught lightning in a bottle with the Burrow/Brady connection now that both are gone, so that's really going to leave just you and Dabo. And then that whole putting an ass-whipping on your arch-rival every year, or mounting double-digit comebacks.
You sound like a reasonable OSU fan, which is a nice change of pace, but in all fairness I really don't think you or any OSU fan "gets" what Michigan is going through. We're watching our arch-rival leave us in the dust and we know there's pretty much nothing that can be done about it. Or lets put it this way: there's nothing we fans can do about it.
You really don't think that if the roles were reversed, your internet boards would be up in arms right now talking about how Day needs to go? I guess I understand why you don't understand the arguing because OSU hasn't been able to do a single thing wrong since hiring Tressel.
Our internet boards get lit up when OSU doesn't win by "enough". Unless we're blowing every team out, there is a portion of the fan base unhappy with the talent/coaches/effort, etc, and lord help us when OSU does actually drop a game to someone.
I honestly think every fan base is the same, regardless of W's or L's. There are the "I'll always pull for my team because everything is fine" types. In UM's case.. Harbaugh is not the problem fans.
There are the "I enjoy watching my team, but something seems off and I'd like to discuss it" types... in this case most reasonable fans, for any team.
And then there are the "this team sucks, our players suck, the coaches suck, we need to burn it all down" types. In your case.. Berns11. In our case, basically any OSU fan after the road losses at Iowa and Purdue, or getting clobbered by Clemson.
Not trying to imply I feel your pain, but every fan base experiences pain at some point, it's just relative to what your perspective is.
Love 250 words on recruiting from the THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE section of the fan base.
X guys drafted in Y years! S&P+ top 10! It’s all good.
Say it ain't so Rocco!
I mean Spindler getting a couple of Crystal Balls isn't ideal, but Michigan still has more, and it isn't like any real heavy hitters made the pick. The ND guy, sure, maybe he has a lead on something, but what insight would cell phone Bill have on Spindler that Sam, Lorenz, or Trieu wouldn't have?
No doubt the race is tighter than ideal, but I am not seeing a panic worthy button being pushed.
Michigan is running third in his recruitment currently. Even the UM sites are reporting that.
If by "trending to ND" you mean getting two crystal balls in the last few days, 1 from a random OSU insider and 1 from a random ND insider, then I guess you would be correct. As of now, Michigan insiders have CBs in for Michigan and ND insiders, who are notoriously optimistic (cough Tom Loy cough), have CBs in for Notre Dame. Allen Trieu, the only neutral party has a CB in for Michigan.
I'd hold your horses on freaking out just yet. Similar things happened with Braiden McGregor. And if Spindler ends up at ND, it's not an optimal situation, but our OL class is still going to be one of the best we've ever had
Thad is a troll now. He exists only to run here and whine every time something happens regarding the football program.
Says the guy who's entire posting history is whining in the mod action sticky thread trying to get people banned.
After the last 15 years people are fed up with "wait til next year" "stop trolling" "we'll be fine"
No, we're not. People are genuinely concerned about the football program. If you can't admit there are problems than you're basically admitting you're in a cult. The sooner people start treating this like a business and we're the customers and less like a religion the better.
People are genuinely concerned ... If you can't admit there are problems than you're basically admitting you're in a cult. The sooner people start treating this like a business and we're the customers and less like a religion the better.
Gold. Pure gold.
You can't make this shit up.
Maizen is like those jackasses with the bullhorn and "END TIMES ARE NEAR" message that camp out north of the stadium on game days.
Find something more important in your life than 18-22 year olds playing a game, you miserable fuck.
Crystal balls are single handedly the worst and best thing to happen to recruiting.
edit: not really the best, but sometimes helps fill time
We need him on DL. Not concerned with OG, but DT. We can't have these undersized types at DT anymore.