To Refresh Your Memory About Tate
I know this has been posted before, but I figured some may not have seen it yet. For others who have, and are still discouraged about losing out on Beaver, Newsome, & co., take another look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOJlXa2JK64
Pay particular attention to 2:30 in. This kid has serious potential.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:08 PM ^
most kids with 4*s do
January 29th, 2009 at 7:34 PM ^
A lot of people like to bag on Tate for his height, but he looks pretty tall in the video.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:37 PM ^
I'd say Brees is pretty successful...
http://qbforce.com/tate/home_pics/work_out.jpg
January 29th, 2009 at 8:06 PM ^
Right, because every undersized QB turns out to be Drew Brees, Chase Daniel, or Troy Smith. Seriously, don't you think that its just a tad bit unfair to both Tate AND Brees to try and make a comparison between the two? Drew Brees is one of the best QBs to have played in the Big Ten in the last decade. You could be setting yourself up for alot of dissappointment if you think that Tate will ever reach that level of success.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:28 PM ^
Well, I'd say that I'm taking the more level-headed, realistic view of what Tate Forcier will be as a collegiate QB. I just find it rather ridiculous to comapre the kid to one of the great QBs in Big Ten history.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 PM ^
I would not classify Jay hesitating to anoint Forcier as the next Drew Brees - one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL - as "doom and gloom". It is actually pretty fucking reasonable.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:27 PM ^
about comparing the two qb's HEIGHT?
And who gives a shit if he actually thought he might be the next Drew Brees anyway? What's so terrible about that?
The negativity from Jay gets fucking OLD.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:30 PM ^
I think you're reacting more to the poster than the post. People are really sensitive when people disagree with them. You're right - it's his opinion, and he's entitled to it. Jay is entitled to disagree.
I find nothing wrong with saying Forcier is the same size as Brees. But stating, basically "QB height doesn't matter because Drew Brees" is reductive and silly. It's like saying "Recruiting rankings don't matter because David Harris" - there are exceptions to every rule. Being short, or being a 2-star isn't a certain condemnation. But a much smaller percentage of 2-stars succeed than higher ranked players, and fewer "short" QB's succeed than tall ones.
Note: I'm not saying Forcier won't be a successful QB.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 PM ^
But I never said "short QBs are successful because Drew Brees."
January 29th, 2009 at 10:37 PM ^
Yeah, I re-worded my initial post to "QB height doesn't matter because Drew Brees". Maybe your point was merely that being "short" isn't a damnation - which is true. But it is an obstacle.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:58 PM ^
It's such a predictable pattern that it's hard not to.
I mean c'mon, was this even remotely necessary? "Right, because every undersized QB turns out to be Drew Brees, Chase Daniel, or Troy Smith." As if everyone that thinks Forcier will be successful MUST think this.
And FTR, he didn't say "short QB's are successful because Drew Brees". He was merely providing an EXAMPLE.
It would be like if someone on here was talking about Vincent Smith, and had an issue with his height. So, he might bring up Mike Hart, and say "Hey, we just a had a shorter tailback come through here in Mike Hart, and he turned out OK." That doesn't mean that he necessarily thinks that EVERY short tailback is going to turn into Mike Hart, or Jacquizz Rogers, etc. He's just providing an example that says: hey, don't discount this kid just because of his height.
Also, I have no idea whether this kid will be successful at this level. And yes, they are obviously both welcome to their opinions. But like I said, the negativity from Jay gets old.
Truth be told, I should have replied to his post, not yours! That's my fault.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:38 PM ^
was simply that Tate is not too short to succeed. There was nothing in there about Tate being the next Brees unless you read it into his statement. And I think a jump to conclusions mat is needed for that one.
Believe me, I hate anecdotal evidence more than anyone here - I made a post on it. I just don't think there was any in his post. And of course, if you post anything positive or that could be construed as positive, Jay is there to complain. Sorry, that gets old.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:30 PM ^
you're right that Brees is the one of the two QB recently who has found success both in college and NFL. Though Brady would certainly be the other.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:21 PM ^
The only comparison I made between Tate and Drew was his height, nothing more. The previous blogger stated that people had been knocking Tate because of his height. My comparison was to debunk their criticism based upon Brees being successful despite his average height...
Notice how in my original post I stated that he has "potential." I did NOT say anything expecting him to become a superstar a la Brees, Daniel, etc.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 PM ^
If you express anything positive about a recruit or say anything hopeful, Jay will be right there to scold you.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:44 AM ^
Well, this is an absurd accusation. I comment on like 3 or 4 threads on any given day, so, I'd say that its impossible that I "scold" people anytime they say something positive about a given recruit. Do you see me complaining everytime you or someone else is right there like stink on shit to comment on a post of mine and complain that I'm "too negative?" That seems to happen quite often around here even though this whole "Jay is always negative" stuff is a pretty fucking subjective opinion.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:49 AM ^
OK, I'll amend my statement - you don't post that much, but whenever you do (~99% of the time) it is to express negativity, complain about people's optimism, or to tell people to lower their expectations.
And of course an opinion is "pretty fucking subjective." In fact, it's 100% subjective. That doesn't change that basically everyone thinks you are super negative. Some think it's funny, others find it annoying.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:56 AM ^
Still untrue, but, you seem to be quite bothered by this, so, I'm just going to let it rest and you can go on believing what you want about me.
January 30th, 2009 at 2:58 PM ^
I think the point was that Drew Brees is undersized and has succeeded. Nothing more, nothing less.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:58 PM ^
I think I'll reserve judgment until after I see him play. Right now, all of this hype surrounding him is only setting him up for disappointment.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:38 PM ^
Amen Brother! The kid has to prove himself and I hope he does.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:27 PM ^
excited
January 29th, 2009 at 8:43 PM ^
i'm a saints fan
and i wish brees would stop throwing a minimum of 2 picks a game, every game. Though he is a wonderful fantasy player.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 PM ^
don't you mean brett fav-ruh
January 29th, 2009 at 8:51 PM ^
First off, thanks for the link because I had not seen the video. One of the big knocks on Tate is that his opposition was pretty average. Well in the clips I saw his O-line crumble almost instantly on several occasions causing him to scramble after merely a second in the pocket. Hopefully with a full returning o-line and red shirts coming into the mix he will get some time. I really liked seeing his touch when hitting receivers in the back of the end zone, it will be a nice change of pace over the sailed passes way over the heads of our receivers. I'm excited to see how things progress.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:38 PM ^
He'll REALLY have to work on not being so careless with the ball when he scrambles. The video of him in his last game showed him drop the ball when he was scrambling. I am sure he'll be working hard to keep control when he's running.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 PM ^
Great video, never gets old. The kid sure has a bunch of talent. I love the 0:20 mark, statue of liberty. Tate shows some nice touch with his passes, especially on the run. I can't wait to see him in RR's offense.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:03 PM ^
Short, fast RBs are a weapon because Darren Sproles.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:05 PM ^
Shhh...don't say that. Jay will "get" you...
January 29th, 2009 at 11:14 PM ^
HE WILL BE THE FIRST FRESHMAN HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER!!! MARK MY WORDS!!! His stat line will read: 81% completion rate, 3566 yards passing, 1212 yards rushing with a 9.2 yd average, 36 passing tds, 7 ints, 25 rushing tds. UM will go on to beat USC 33-19 in the NC game in Pasadena.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:28 AM ^
Sometimes I wish my NCAA 09 Dynasty was real too.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:54 AM ^
While he doesn't have the strong arm of a Henne, he's got much better awareness in the pocket, and senses pressure quite well. Good escapability, and I noticed on some of his scrambles that even when he's giving the appearance of running the ball he's still looking for an open receiver. He also seems to have a pretty quick release.
I wonder if he's big enough to take the pounding he's going to get running the ball in RR's offense, though. McGuffie certainly didn't appear to be big enough at the college level, even though he looked like a Heisman candidate in his Youtube highlights video.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:09 AM ^
Taters is already enrolled and will get some extra conditioning time. Plus he already had a pretty rigorous workout routine so his body should be used to a fair amount of abuse by gametime.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:53 AM ^
fred jackson actually said his arm compares favorably to henne's
January 30th, 2009 at 2:28 PM ^
I agree. The very first highlight in the posted video shows his good arm strength. Off of his back leg, with a defender on him, 20+ yards. Kid's got a damn quick release too.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:03 PM ^
I was surprised to hear this, since it's sort of hard to make out in the highlight videos how strong his arm is. It's a little easier in this video:
http://qbforce.com/tate/tatevideos/TateNBC.wmv
Just from practicing with his HS team. Tight spiral (that's to be expected, though); looks like his arm actually is pretty damn strong.
Also, gotta love the douchey "Penn State" whisper by the anchor at the end there.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:49 PM ^
he doesn't like to tuck the ball when he runs.....ugh, after the year of infinite fumbles, I don't think I can stand any more. other than that, he's awesome.
January 30th, 2009 at 2:04 PM ^
His scrambles freak me out. He immediately takes off backwards, doesn't tuck the ball, etc. I mean, it's good he keeps his eyes downfield and he makes some great plays, but I can't see that translating so smoothly to the Big Ten.
January 30th, 2009 at 2:09 PM ^
BTW, I looked up Scripps Ranch's SOS in the state, and it looks like whoever did those rankings seemed to think that their competition was pretty decent. Maybe not the best in the state, but certainly a lot better than people are giving them credit for.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:21 PM ^
Impressive video - he looks like he'll be a good fit for our offense. I definitely expect him to be a good QB for us down the road. Whether he will be in 2009, it's harder to say. A big concern is that he doesn't get too scramble-happy on pass plays. Some of those great scrambles we see in this video will turn into bad sacks at the college level.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:31 PM ^
he palms the ball at side and takes off backwards in a scramble, the coaches will probably make him run for 2 miles. I'm confident in our coaches to teach him what he can and cant do at this level.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:46 PM ^
Some of these things can only be learned through experience. Terrelle Pryor took his share of bad sacks this past season.
January 31st, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^
I agree that he can get "scramble happy", but I think that it's mostly due to his terrible o-line. No doubt the coaches are going to work with him on staying in the pocket a little bit longer, but I don't think scrambling is a terrible thing. If he can buy more time rolling out, the receivers will have a better chance of becoming more open, and Tate has shown the ability to have great touch on the ball while on the run. I think his scrambling ability will be his greatest asset, especially as a freshman.