QB starter vs Illinois
Would there be any help to the offense to start Dylan McCaffrey (if he is healthy) against Illinois? Have Shea on the sidelines helping to send in plays, it might give him some different perspective and help him with the offense. Even if McCaffrey is not healthy, insert Milton this week-
There are obvious problems with the offensive scheme, but a glaring one is Shea’s grasp of it, his vision, rhythm and ability to hit receivers.
It will give McCaffrey and Milton game experience also, and against an opponent these guys should beat.
Thoughts?
October 9th, 2019 at 8:28 AM ^
Stop - please !
October 9th, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
Really. The offense is hitting it's stride. Why would anyone want to fuck with that?
October 9th, 2019 at 8:29 AM ^
Honestly, I’m sick of these opinion based posts about the offense. We don’t have any new news, and when we do get some, I’m sure it’ll be posted within 5 min and we can all discuss it then.
While we are waiting for said news, get some work done, read a book, and for the love of God, stop posting.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:52 AM ^
Then honestly stop commenting if you’re sick of seeing them. Wanted to see what other fans had to say- sorry that you wokeup in the wrong side of your bed today.
Go Blue!
October 9th, 2019 at 8:59 AM ^
I've got no issues with the post but I'm more than a little pissed you stole my QB discussion time slot to create this thread. If you remember from last night the schedule was SUPPOSE to go as follows:
UMBig11 7:00am
MgrowOld 8:00am
EvenyouBrutus 9:00am
GoBlue1969 10am
We've got a lot of posters here OP and everyone wants to post a QB discussion thread which is the exact reason WE CAME UP WITH THE SCHEDULE!!!!!! But the scheduled posts dont work if people dont stay in their assigned day & time slot.
Just a reminder - tomorrow you're off. You're not scheduled to post another QB discussion thread again until Friday.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:02 AM ^
Do I need to speak to a manager to get on the schedule?
October 9th, 2019 at 9:09 AM ^
I'll add you to the waiting list. Unfortunately for the remainder of this week we are full and dont anticipate any openings unless we decide to compress the posting schedule from one QB discussion an hour to one QB discussion every half hour.
Just so you know that change was been discussed (we have over 380 separate posters waiting to create a thread on this subject so everyone knows how they feel about things) but for now we're sticking with just one per hour.
NOTE: The 9:00 am post was a bit late going up but it's there now. Hopefully the 10:00 am slot doesnt post late too and mess the whole day's schedule up.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:13 AM ^
Are there any slots in the schedule to bitch about the Offensive Line play? Because that seems inadequately represented on the Board.
October 9th, 2019 at 10:01 AM ^
O line has improved from game 1...
October 9th, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^
Will let you know when I open up a new blog at MQB24/7Discuss.com.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:15 AM ^
Not the manager, the supervisor.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:12 AM ^
Shea isn't going to be benched for a game against a beatable opponent and then be reinserted as the starter the following week. You might as well just say "I think one of the other guys should finish up the season". You're getting attacked because the argument is disingenuous and you've just prettied it up with a scenario that isn't going to happen and people are over the"bench Shea" conversation. It might be the best option for the team, who the fuck knows at this point. No one expected to have QB as a point of weakness on this team 5 games into the season and no one here has the answer.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:44 AM ^
plus... the offense is hitting its stride
October 9th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^
Your account is several months old and you still have no sense of what MLive / snowflake posts are? You just created one of those.
You're making signal:noise worse.
October 9th, 2019 at 1:11 PM ^
GoBlue1969,
I saw this thread title and assumed it would be one to neg. I was the 41st downvote for you. Put your post in the snowflake thread like 325+ other people did after the Wisconsin game and several hundred more after the Iowa game.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:33 PM ^
Gotcha, except this is Illinois week, and I thought maybe sit Shea during an easy opponent for starters- let him help send plays in, take a breather, get healthy, get a different perspective on the offense from that vantage point- that was it. Not just a general sit Shea because he is not getting things. Also a tough deal to do on the road to start a new guy for his first start. Anyways- I like talking up the next Michigan game, and simply thought it might be a good topic this week for discussion.
October 10th, 2019 at 7:21 AM ^
You still don’t get it. Stop explaining/defending why you made a post. You have over 65 downvotes on this thread because 65 different people are trying to tell you that we don’t care about your special snowflake opinion on which QB should play. We do not want to see this on the board. Snowflake threads were created for all your thoughts and ideas about who should play and why. Don’t make any more threads until you figure this out.
October 10th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^
Shea Patterson has zero percent chance of beating OSU. Milton and McCaffrey have some chance of beating them.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:31 AM ^
Patterson is the QB this season. It may make you want to punch yourself in the face repeated, but that is the state of affairs.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:32 AM ^
Shea is who he is. Great against inferior competition, struggles against better competition. Look at his record at Ole Miss.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:34 AM ^
Bingo. I didn't wanna believe it but at this point it's undeniable.
Thought he was ascending when really he topped off well before The Game last year.
October 9th, 2019 at 12:18 PM ^
He was also a freshman at Ole Miss.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:33 AM ^
If McCaffrey is healthy he should absolutely start. Preferably if he was healthy throughout the week to practice.
Either way in my opinion Shea is the problem with the offense. ?♂️
Missing too many throws, not seeing wide open receivers, not keeping the ball on enough reads, leaving clean pockets, etc.
If the coaching staff is as high on the other QBs as they claimed to be in the offseason (particularly McCaffrey), they should give one of them a shot, a real shot, at running the offense.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:53 AM ^
Is it his ability over the others? Or is it that Harbaugh feels he owes him the starting position because he’s in his senior year?
October 9th, 2019 at 10:20 AM ^
Do yourself a favor and stop responding to your horrible hot take. You had to know this would end badly for you.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:34 AM ^
Downvote these repetitive hawt take starting OPs into a one-way to Bolivia!
October 9th, 2019 at 8:40 AM ^
Agreed.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:39 AM ^
You are three days late and a dollar short.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^
Jim Harbaugh is fine with Shea Patterson as his starter and will continue to give him a long leash. Dylan will most likely come back and play some when he's healthy again, as he was doing prior to the injury. Joe Milton, barring injuries to the other two, will continue to not see the field this year.
It would take a truly terrible performance , particularly another turnover laden performance, at this stage in the season to pull Shea. The coaching staff has made it clear they support Shea and feel he's doing enough, if not doing everything right.
In the history of football, the backup is always the one we're clamoring for as soon as things aren't going ideally on the field. In the history of Michigan football, the number of times a starting QB has been benched for poor play (in my memory at least) are few and far between. You may not like it, I may not like it, but Shea Patterson will be your starter, barring injury or some kind of epically-bad-not-just-pedestrian performance, the rest of this season.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
Not saying to pull him for the season. I would insert McCaffrey or Milton to get them some game experience, and since it’s obvious Shea has struggled in the pass game, it might do some good for him to view things from the sideline and be assistant coach for a game.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:08 AM ^
True. And the number of times that the starting QB has been benched for poor play and the backup has come in and played noticeably better are even fewer.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:43 AM ^
Is this a board or a bored?
Thoughts?
October 9th, 2019 at 8:46 AM ^
Bored then don’t read or comment
October 9th, 2019 at 8:58 AM ^
When the thread title is “QB Starter against Illinois” people think there might actually be info about the QB Starter. Instead it’s the umpteenth opinion thread. Title your threads better and don’t be sensitive when you get called out.
October 9th, 2019 at 11:52 AM ^
But then you took the time to give a negative and also comment, and then comment again. Thank you for the negative. Like I said, Michigan fans are more cannibalistic to their own.
October 9th, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
Michigan fans are more cannibalistic to their own.
Not really. But yours is the 300th identical post that has been made since the Army game. You brought up nothing new, special, unique, previously unknown, interesting etc. Your "opinions and views," one you probably think are unique and special, have already been discussed ad nauseum on this board for 4 weeks.
We're not cannibalizing our own, we're sick of numerous daily posts that provide ZERO new insight and are pure "feelings and opinion" posts on the same subject over and over. It's not OT season.
For whatever reason you thought your OP was somehow unique or cool or insightful and .... for some unknown reason .... thought it was board worthy. And it isn't. I've read the same opinion 3,894 times in other threads.
October 9th, 2019 at 12:41 PM ^
Got it- be original. I'll just be original and comment and neg everyone else. No problem.
October 9th, 2019 at 1:18 PM ^
I mean, I rarely neg anyone but do what you want.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
Yes, this is what 95% of the fan base has indicated a preference for
October 9th, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
Thoughts? Sure I have em.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:46 AM ^
So the coaching staff is starting the right person at 21 of the 22 positions?
It's weird how so many teams over the course of so many seasons start the right person at 21 of 22 positions, but fail to see as clearly as the casual fans who should be starting at quarterback.
Thoughts?
October 9th, 2019 at 8:47 AM ^
Part of me thinks if we have reached Shea's cieling and we can't beat ND, PSU, or OSU with him because he can't read coverage and/or handle a pass rush, we are better off getting next year's likely starter experience. However, the other part of me thinks a win is a win and Shea is likely to get us the wins we need against Ill, Ind, & Maryland to get bowl eligible so lets stick with him as he gives us the best chance to maintain stability and beat the weaker B1G teams. At this point it's a crap shoot. We're in a difficult spot.
October 9th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^
I before e, except after c...
October 9th, 2019 at 8:47 AM ^
Please raise points to 5000 for ability to start a thread.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:47 AM ^
College coaches will always play the guy they think gives them the best chance of winning. Right now, that is Patterson. McCaffrey is injured, and Milton is too green. Patterson, for all his struggles, is a much better QB than Milton right now. You don’t bench a healthy QB to get another one game reps, then go back to the other guy the next game. Patterson needs all the reps he can get.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:48 AM ^
Sigh...
Shea is the starter unless Harbaugh / Gattis determine that McCaffery gives them a better chance at winning. Joe Milton is not ready to start.
And I'd like to add my objection to this constant stream of hot takes about what is to be done about offense. Enough already.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:49 AM ^
I have been wondering for quite sometime when we would discuss this! I’m really surprised that it hasn’t been discussed yet.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:49 AM ^
I'm glad we haven't talked about this yet. Kidding, it's a message board all good. I don't know...maybe the coaches don't either?
If DM is healthy (which we have no idea if he is) who knows man...What I'm having a hard time with is Shea does appear to have the ability to succeed. I'm not saying he's a star but he clearly has the talent to lead this talent to 10+ wins. So...what the hell is going on with him? I guess that's the million dollar question.
It would be so interesting to watch practice.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:51 AM ^
Start Joe Milton. Run 4 verts all go whatever. Basically the "go long" play. Hail mary every play. I guess let him have one check down option. Make it someone fast and shifty, though (i.e., one of our slot WRs, not one of our RBs).
Do this for the entire first half and see where we're at. If we have a big lead, we can practice our real offense with Shea in the 2nd. If we don't have a big lead, we can see if our real offense with Shea will save us.
If we have a big lead and have finished our practice with our real offense with Shea for long enough, then at the end of the 4th quarter, let's practice all of our WR pass and RB pass plays.
I am thinking about starting a thread about this.
October 9th, 2019 at 8:54 AM ^
I know you are kind of kidding but I seriously wonder if it would be helpful for this offense to run a total of about 10 plays in this game to master them. Run plays that you can eventually run more plays off of later but find about 10 base plays you kick ass at and run them over and over and over again.