Perspective: Tom Osborne vs OKlahoma

Submitted by HailHail47 on December 1st, 2019 at 2:06 PM

Tom Osborne’s Nebraska started 0-6 against a historically great Oklahoma program. That included a few blowout losses: 

  • 38-7 in 1977
  • 35-10 in 1975
  • 28-14 in 1974
  • 27-0 in 1973

Tom Osborne is regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all time. He never won less than 9 games in a season at Nebraska. He ended up winning three National Championships. 

Harbaugh has proven to be a great coach. If he can overcome OSU in the next few years, Michigan may be primed to enter elite status. Like Osborne’s switch to dual threat QB’s in the 80’s, Harbaugh has shown he is willing to make changes to his philosophy, such as the Gattis hire. 

http://soonerstats.com/football/coaches/opp/details.cfm?oppcoachid=144#.XeQJCiVOmEc

Newton Gimmick

December 1st, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

Yeah it's amazing, Osborne started 0-5, then 1-8, against Oklahoma, and survived long enough to become the kind of legend that makes Nebraska fans dissatisfied with anyone who followed him.

But it was another time, before the days of instant, limitless free porn.

Bo Harbaugh

December 1st, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^

He also realized that to start competing with Oklahoma he needed to pump his players full of steroids.

Unless we start paying recruits or go the MSU "development" route, things won't change.

blueblueblue

December 1st, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^

For every one of these examples there are examples to counter it. There is no underlying reason; there is no underlying logic. Harbaugh will make UM into a powerhouse, or he will not. It could happen, it could not happen. We will only know after the fact.

Although, admittedly, it is not looking good for him. 

AreYouNew

December 1st, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^

Perspective: You had to go back almost a half century to pluck an example that might make someone optimistic.

Navy Wolverine

December 1st, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^

Perspective: You had to go back almost a half century to pluck an example that might make someone optimistic.

Actually, maybe Harbaugh should talk to Army coach Jeff Monken. Navy beat Army 14 years in a row (2002-15)! Which is really an amazing streak considering that Annapolis and West Point are so similar. There were blowouts, nail biters and everything in between. Army was able to turn that rivalry around and has now won the last three in a row - Navy will of course stop that streak in two weeks ;-)

Might be worth getting some perspective on changes Army made to turn the tide in the other great rivalry in college football.

uncle leo

December 1st, 2019 at 2:37 PM ^

You know, since I was a younger man, there was ALWAYS a reason to explain away the reason Michigan would lose a game.

Bad spot. Ran out of time. Bad officiating. Unlucky break. Can't get a punt away. Weather.

There is always, always, SOMETHING.

I have just always wondered why the fans haven't just accepted or looked internally at the program to realize... they are just an above average/good/sometimes great program that has had the good fortune of having an amazing brand. 

When the team goes up against legit competition, they are a paper tiger. And this just isn't recent stuff. 

AverageJoe

December 1st, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^

Those Oklahoma teams were juggernauts like  the current Ohio State teams. 

FWIW  they came close when they had a  top notch D-Line.  They have gotten blown out 3 times under Harbaugh when the DL wasn't up to it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.  Ohio State has been running over Michigan since Meyer took over.

Find the best DL recruiter(s) they can and build around that to compete in the upper echelon in this era of College Football.  I don't think Brown is the problem.  I do think his aggressive style makes the issue more likely to be exploited for big plays.

Eph97

December 1st, 2019 at 2:56 PM ^

So Harbaugh is going to be allowed to stick around with 2 more losses to OSU to push the losing streak to 10 and his own losing streak to 7? What on the recruiting trail gives you optimism as the gap is widening with OSU whose 2021 class is probably going to end up #1?

UMxWolverines

December 1st, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^

So now we have to go back 40 years to find a parallel to JH? That's probably a bad sign. First it was that Dantonio didn't make it to Indy until year 5 and that's down the drain, then it was Dabo didn't win the ACC until year 4 but got blown out in their bowl, except in year 5 he had Deshawn Watson and went 11-2 with a win over OSU in the Orange Bowl. 

greatlakestate

December 1st, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^

Here’s a more recent comparison for you to mull over: Bo Pelini was averaging 9-3, but that wasn’t good enough for Nebraska fans. And look where they are now— 3 years in a row without a bowl game. Constantly changing coaching staff is part of our problem. And while we were doing that, OSU was building a Death Star.  I want to beat  OSU as much as anyone, as I live in Ohio.   But I remember losing to Toledo, Rutgers and Maryland, and believe me that’s worse!

b618

December 1st, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^

Yeah, look at LSU

2015:  3 losses <--- they didn't like this, so they changed to this:
2016:  4 losses (including Alabama)
2017:  4 losses (including Alabama)
2018:  3 losses (including Alabama)

Yes, 2019 is great.  Let's see if that holds up.  If so, good for them, but . . .

For every LSU that changed coaches to do better and it actually worked out, there are many other examples of places with lots of money, football history, fan support, good recruiting pull, and motivation that tried to get an improvement and it didn't work out:  RichRod, Hoke, Texas, Florida State, Tennessee, USC, etc.

cp4three2

December 1st, 2019 at 3:33 PM ^

Our fanbases obsession with coaches who haven't coached in decades really has to end. It's an anchor on the entire program. Yes, that one coach did something a long time ago. Yes, there's a chance our current coach could do that too.

 

I couldn't believe how much the 1969 game was talked up over the last week. Yes, it's the anniversary, but it's something that happened 50 years ago. Bo is gone. His program is gone. College football has changed dramatically. All of this stuff happened multiple decades ago.

MichAtl85

December 1st, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^

Perspective: OSU has been incredibly dominate. They’ve recruited extremely well and are a machine of death. 
 

also perspective: Harbaugh is paid over 7 million dollars a year to figure out how to beat them. 

Zoltanrules

December 1st, 2019 at 7:44 PM ^

How long will Scott Frost last at Nebraska? Anyone see the Iowa kicker blow kisses to the Nebraska bench/crowd after beating them in OT in Lincoln? Wow.. have times changed. Once Osborne's crew got on the secret vitamin cocktails they had a run of dominance featuring size and speed not seen since the Giambi/McGwire/Canseco Oakland A's. The MSU jokes are low hanging fruit.

 

 

scfanblue

December 1st, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^

This is true of Osborne and Nebraska got their ass whipped every year by a Florida team in the Orange Bowl throughout the 1980's. This changed when Osborne began recruiting speed out of Florida by the early to mid 90's. The 1995 Nebraska team in my opinion is the best college football ever assembled with Frazier/Phillips and the 10 guys that were drafted on that defense. That was a ridiculous assembly of talent beating Florida like 65-17 in the bowl game.