Perspective: Tom Osborne vs OKlahoma
Tom Osborne’s Nebraska started 0-6 against a historically great Oklahoma program. That included a few blowout losses:
- 38-7 in 1977
- 35-10 in 1975
- 28-14 in 1974
- 27-0 in 1973
Tom Osborne is regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all time. He never won less than 9 games in a season at Nebraska. He ended up winning three National Championships.
Harbaugh has proven to be a great coach. If he can overcome OSU in the next few years, Michigan may be primed to enter elite status. Like Osborne’s switch to dual threat QB’s in the 80’s, Harbaugh has shown he is willing to make changes to his philosophy, such as the Gattis hire.
http://soonerstats.com/football/coaches/opp/details.cfm?oppcoachid=144#.XeQJCiVOmEc
December 1st, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^
Bargaining phase here we are!
December 1st, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
You're worse than the guy who said he was a Spartan fan but was decked out in Scarlet and Gray yesterday.
Wait... was that you?
December 1st, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^
Nope. It’s just funny seeing this cycle repeat itself for 10 years running now. All you can do is laugh.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
Enlighten me then with answers.
What’s your set of moves, football genius?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:05 PM ^
He's got a sure-fire system.
1. Want it.
2. Get all 5 stars.
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5. Profit! (I mean, win the Natty!)
December 1st, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
Yeah it's amazing, Osborne started 0-5, then 1-8, against Oklahoma, and survived long enough to become the kind of legend that makes Nebraska fans dissatisfied with anyone who followed him.
But it was another time, before the days of instant, limitless free porn.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:06 PM ^
Porn is a weapon of the Jews
- E Michael Jones
December 1st, 2019 at 2:17 PM ^
He also realized that to start competing with Oklahoma he needed to pump his players full of steroids.
Unless we start paying recruits or go the MSU "development" route, things won't change.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^
Don't know about the second, but the first could be a reality in a couple of years with the new legislation, and I'm curious to see what happens.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^
For every one of these examples there are examples to counter it. There is no underlying reason; there is no underlying logic. Harbaugh will make UM into a powerhouse, or he will not. It could happen, it could not happen. We will only know after the fact.
Although, admittedly, it is not looking good for him.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^
Perspective: You had to go back almost a half century to pluck an example that might make someone optimistic.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^
Dabo's Clemson record was nothing to write home about before he finally got things rolling in a horrible ACC.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^
By rolling you mean
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Rolling money with elastic bands for bagmen. Well, that and getting a water slide and bowling alley.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^
Which makes it even less likely Michigan can get it going in a much tougher conference.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^
Are you inferring that Michigan could not install a water slide? ?
December 1st, 2019 at 6:16 PM ^
You are part of the problem. Clemson became relevant when Bowden retired.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:03 PM ^
Perspective: You had to go back almost a half century to pluck an example that might make someone optimistic.
Actually, maybe Harbaugh should talk to Army coach Jeff Monken. Navy beat Army 14 years in a row (2002-15)! Which is really an amazing streak considering that Annapolis and West Point are so similar. There were blowouts, nail biters and everything in between. Army was able to turn that rivalry around and has now won the last three in a row - Navy will of course stop that streak in two weeks ;-)
Might be worth getting some perspective on changes Army made to turn the tide in the other great rivalry in college football.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:49 PM ^
I know you’re just a troll but that’s actually kinda funny
December 1st, 2019 at 2:37 PM ^
You know, since I was a younger man, there was ALWAYS a reason to explain away the reason Michigan would lose a game.
Bad spot. Ran out of time. Bad officiating. Unlucky break. Can't get a punt away. Weather.
There is always, always, SOMETHING.
I have just always wondered why the fans haven't just accepted or looked internally at the program to realize... they are just an above average/good/sometimes great program that has had the good fortune of having an amazing brand.
When the team goes up against legit competition, they are a paper tiger. And this just isn't recent stuff.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:37 PM ^
Osborne never had more than 3 losses.
Harbaugh has never had fewer than 3 losses.
Maybe next year will be the year....
December 1st, 2019 at 2:57 PM ^
Come on. The Big 8 was garbage and Nebraska always played a weak ooc schedule.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
So Osborne and Harbaugh are a terrible comparison. I'm glad we are aligned on that.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^
Fire Don Brown
December 1st, 2019 at 2:51 PM ^
Those Oklahoma teams were juggernauts like the current Ohio State teams.
FWIW they came close when they had a top notch D-Line. They have gotten blown out 3 times under Harbaugh when the DL wasn't up to it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Ohio State has been running over Michigan since Meyer took over.
Find the best DL recruiter(s) they can and build around that to compete in the upper echelon in this era of College Football. I don't think Brown is the problem. I do think his aggressive style makes the issue more likely to be exploited for big plays.
December 2nd, 2019 at 1:10 AM ^
Find the best DL recruiter(s) they can
That would be Brady Hoke. For real.
December 1st, 2019 at 2:56 PM ^
So Harbaugh is going to be allowed to stick around with 2 more losses to OSU to push the losing streak to 10 and his own losing streak to 7? What on the recruiting trail gives you optimism as the gap is widening with OSU whose 2021 class is probably going to end up #1?
December 1st, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^
We have a 5 Star QB coming in 2021. That could change things for us.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^
So do they. In fact their QB - Kyle McCord - and his explosive receiver - Marvin Harrison (HOF Marvin Harrison's son) are both already committed to OSU
December 1st, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^
So now we have to go back 40 years to find a parallel to JH? That's probably a bad sign. First it was that Dantonio didn't make it to Indy until year 5 and that's down the drain, then it was Dabo didn't win the ACC until year 4 but got blown out in their bowl, except in year 5 he had Deshawn Watson and went 11-2 with a win over OSU in the Orange Bowl.
December 1st, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^
Here’s a more recent comparison for you to mull over: Bo Pelini was averaging 9-3, but that wasn’t good enough for Nebraska fans. And look where they are now— 3 years in a row without a bowl game. Constantly changing coaching staff is part of our problem. And while we were doing that, OSU was building a Death Star. I want to beat OSU as much as anyone, as I live in Ohio. But I remember losing to Toledo, Rutgers and Maryland, and believe me that’s worse!
December 1st, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^
LSU was losing 3 games every year too and decided to make a change, look where they are now.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^
LSU is also in the $EC and can change faster.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^
Yeah, look at LSU
2015: 3 losses <--- they didn't like this, so they changed to this:
2016: 4 losses (including Alabama)
2017: 4 losses (including Alabama)
2018: 3 losses (including Alabama)
Yes, 2019 is great. Let's see if that holds up. If so, good for them, but . . .
For every LSU that changed coaches to do better and it actually worked out, there are many other examples of places with lots of money, football history, fan support, good recruiting pull, and motivation that tried to get an improvement and it didn't work out: RichRod, Hoke, Texas, Florida State, Tennessee, USC, etc.
December 1st, 2019 at 3:33 PM ^
Our fanbases obsession with coaches who haven't coached in decades really has to end. It's an anchor on the entire program. Yes, that one coach did something a long time ago. Yes, there's a chance our current coach could do that too.
I couldn't believe how much the 1969 game was talked up over the last week. Yes, it's the anniversary, but it's something that happened 50 years ago. Bo is gone. His program is gone. College football has changed dramatically. All of this stuff happened multiple decades ago.
December 1st, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^
Perspective: OSU has been incredibly dominate. They’ve recruited extremely well and are a machine of death.
also perspective: Harbaugh is paid over 7 million dollars a year to figure out how to beat them.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:15 PM ^
Stop defending this shit show. You are part of the problem.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:21 PM ^
You are a shit show.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:44 PM ^
How long will Scott Frost last at Nebraska? Anyone see the Iowa kicker blow kisses to the Nebraska bench/crowd after beating them in OT in Lincoln? Wow.. have times changed. Once Osborne's crew got on the secret vitamin cocktails they had a run of dominance featuring size and speed not seen since the Giambi/McGwire/Canseco Oakland A's. The MSU jokes are low hanging fruit.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:07 PM ^
Searching...
December 1st, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
This is true of Osborne and Nebraska got their ass whipped every year by a Florida team in the Orange Bowl throughout the 1980's. This changed when Osborne began recruiting speed out of Florida by the early to mid 90's. The 1995 Nebraska team in my opinion is the best college football ever assembled with Frazier/Phillips and the 10 guys that were drafted on that defense. That was a ridiculous assembly of talent beating Florida like 65-17 in the bowl game.
December 2nd, 2019 at 1:07 AM ^
And steroids.
Many steroids.
December 2nd, 2019 at 1:06 AM ^
That was 30 years ago. Typically if a coach is going to win championships, he does it in his first 3 years.