Penn State Game Open Thread
help cover up your bad offensive play calling.
Is that what the giant red S in the end zone is for?
How about going jumbo at tailback?
But really just a makeup for UConn. Now let's play.
hey al lets roll out constant unbalanced looks again this half, its ok that touissant gains -2 or 2 yards every down, it will work eventually. just like touissant in this scheme, the student in the 5th row can run for -2 or 2 yards on 10 straight carries and eventually bust one for 10-20 yards.....but it does not mean its a rational idea or effective scheme. i understand al is hamstrung by 4 average to below average OL, a stable of TEs and FBs who fan on 50% of assignments and a turnover prone QB, but gotta do everything possible to set your players up for success. shake it up, get wild, spread them out and run multiple backs out of pistol, just do something other than what has been proven ineffective, repeatedly proven. gardner running and throws down the seam are the only consistently effective plays as of right now - so spread them out and adapt. your iron will and faith in your players and scheme will not offset the lack of talent on the field.....keep pounding against that brick wall attempting to will the desired result, maybe im wrong, maybe touissant and this OL / TEs / FBs will miraculously pull a 180 and dominate the LOS for 4-5 yards per carry. but i dont see it, not right now. only down 11, certainly a winnable game. shake it up on O and effectively use your playmakers. and bring occasional pressure on D and turn this thing around
How long did it take you to type that?
Holy fuck Frank Clark almost had that too
almost the literal best start we could have
Michigan is playing well as long as I'm chugging beers. This could get expensive...
- sometimes you win b/c of your defense. we might need that
- Frank Clark, for all the shit we've said based on unreached expectations, is freakishly athletic (if not a great DE)
- we can win this, even with 3 TOs and horrible horrible Oline play and O playcalling in the 1st half
- TOs for TDs can make me far less pessimistic
Holds on every play.
Every single play it's obiv
Good ole frank "can I borrow your laptop" Clark"
savin our butts today
I'll give credit where it's due - having the D line up like that was a great answer to the late adjustments
5. our defense is good when we get pressure - especially against this QB
So pressure on a freshman QB works. Who would have thought...
Scoop n score then a 3 n out
now how bout a hitch n go for 6?
what is this thing where we bring more than 4 down linemen called again?
Great start to the 2nd half! Let's see what adjustments Borges makes and if Devin can solve his cranial rectal sublimation.
2nd half team boys!
Sorry if already posted or if it's a dumb question, but what does the Big Red S stand for in the crowd?
I think it's just the breast cancer tribute PSU "S"
and kick some ass!
I like coming from behind to narrowly escape with victory. Keeps my heart healthy. My liver on the other hand...
call the play that doesn't result in a pick 6 or loss of 4 on first down and we're GOLDEN
Do you think the collective psychic screaming to bring the heat on Hack worked, or did Mattison finally get the game tape of the IU game?
be ok 77!
ok little fire and desire, much needed, solid start, 6 from D def helps. get ahead of the chains, spread them out and keep the D guessing
Has anyone else noticed that we can't run the ball?
Why still No green?
better against a wall of defenders? Doesn't matter who is carrying the ball, there is nothing there.
that could quite literally cost us the game. lost all momentum
F'n Kalis. It's bad enough you're getting your butt kicked
Devin needs to run the ball with abandon and score a touchdown... right here
as another turnover
Maturity from Gardner in a tough situation. Glad to see him eat the sack.
No sack, no loss of yards.
after the whistle, not a good move
Fitz is now averaging 0.5yds/carry. Obviously some of that is due to our Oline getting blown backwards
only time we can actually block someone is after the whistle when other team stops playing
Lets get another stop D!
I feel like I am rooting for the other team to mistakes more than I am for Michigan to do things well because I have given up on the latter.
When does Borges figure out that PSU's only freaking plan on D is to blitz? WHEN!!!!!!!!!?????????
and all the scantily-clad ample-chested virgins within it for a behemoth, unstoppable offensive line.
Isn't it abso-fucking-lutely amazing that Fitz cannot gain ONE FUCKING YARD. I realize the blocking is poor, but he fucking dances immediately and it seems to let the opposing DL crash in on him, instead of just going FORWARD!
Did anyone else notice Lewan block a guy almost over the bench oob earlier? No call there. Kalis stumbles and gives a little shove and they call it. Boo
At the risk of stating the obvious, a stop would be nice.
The defense is laughing now. They know he hates pressure.
Fuck yeah D!
Offense needs to throw a pizza party for the defense.
Sooo many interceptions.... So many
Ramon Taylor!!! My *black man*!!
I just called that to my wife.
Note if we can find a way to do more than punt after a turnover we'll be good
gonna outscore penn state. legooo
Worlds fastest jogger.
I hate long 1st and goal yardage!
Okay. Now for the love of all that is holy, we need a TD here.
take a time out. jeesuz
How many TFLs have we had this year? About infinity?
Awful, aqful call.
On the draw Glasgow and Bryant blocked 0 total people
Obvious play calling is obvious.
to 100% waste a play. it's idiotic. so dumb.
Catch the fucking ball funchess
That helmet rule is total bullshit. The PSU guy pretty clearly grabbed Devin's helmet, and we pay the price for it?
Continued wasted opportunities. Gardner hasn't played well tonight, but he put that ball right where it needed to be. Funchess needed to come down with that.
Alright, 2 PSU possessions, 1 for Michigan in the 2nd half...10-0 Michigan. Aside from a TD, couldn't ask for much more. Another TO or 3 and out! C'mon Defense!
count to two and throw. probably would have scored, and it would have crushed penn state. blindingly obvious call and result.
They never would have seen it comong
This is such an ugly game.
Defense is up !
These refs REFUSE to call hold on the edge on PSU. FUCKING HORSE SHIT!
Lol frank Clark on a TE
Frank Clark and Chris Wormley shouldn't be in pass coverage against tight ends. That is all.
back in effect
Wow. This looks so easy.
Nice sack by Black. But watch the hold on JMFR!
A FUCKING ARM ACROSS THE CHEST IS A HOLD!
to the success of a defense
again, why have we abandoned the pass rush?
held every play. Fucking bullshit.
there we go!!
Go back and look at that shit! JMFR screaming in from the edge, 77 on PSU's right arm across his chest HOLDING HIM. Would have pushed them out of FG range. HORSE SHIT!
I want Derrick green. I want him.
He can't run through holes that aren't there.
What's the scoop with Dileo on o? Is he just not getting open? You would think he would be a nice choice for gardner when he is in trouble.
But we hold too
Pass to set up the run.
Millen shut the fuck up
they are totally holding our receivers after they catch the ball.
i'll take it
Does Gardner look hurt? Please let it be just me.
If Gallon is triple covered every time Devin throws to him then somebody else has to be open.
remember that fake read option pass play we ran at the end of the first half? that was a really good play. why'd we waste that?
The line has played well without Lewan. Better than I expected.
Why Borges!!!!! ????
Run into the 2 gap. No more 6 gap stretch bullshit.
calling pass plays with no intention of throwing. effective but not exactly exciting
Borges keep on calling those stretches? Is he clinically insane?
This may be the greatest comment ever.
this game is crazy
I want to hear a candid assessment of Michigan's OL from the coaches. I know we'll never get it, but I want to know what's wrong -- besides, "they're young."
I don't have any idea what's happening any more
When Gardner uses proper mechanics he throws a good ball.
run in the second quarter.
I'm really pulling for him this season.
they knew it was coming. Fitz has a crappy line trying to open a hole against the entire defense. I'm no fan of Fitz's running this season, but he had no chance. None.
is that you can play horribly and predictably... and still get your act together to come back. It's not fun to watch, though, and of course Penn State has a great chance of winning this miserable game, still.
GO BLUE! LET'S DO THIS!
to be winning a game. well, except maybe against uconn and akron
Nice! 17-3 in the 2nd half!
sporting the maize warm-up!
I just want to be 6-0 so we don't have to worry about bowl eligibility.
It's like when we try to run the opposition just totally blows our OL up, every time, against every team. How can the OL be THAT BAD?!? I just don't understand.
You guys need to lighten up. We're winning! And we stopped running on first down every play, so our coaches aren't completely clueless. It's a good day
I mean, people cry about coaching, others say they're young, or maybe they're just not very good. People complain about play calling, but at some point, shouldn't the OL be able to get their RB 3-5 yards? Is it the RB? I am befuddled.
Still sad about not bringing the heat on Hack in the 1st half...but with a win I'll get over it.
But he's going to forgo his 5th year and go to the NFL!
Why can't we run like that twice in a row? Why? Fitz just dances.
I know, right? Hit the hole GOING FORWARD not sideways. It cannot be ALL on the OL!
My point exactly.
decisively when it is not there 99% of the time. RB can't magically create a hole that is not there. Not to mention Al calling slow developing stretches isn't helping.
Obviously that is true. But, it can't be ALL on the OL. I mean, there seem like times (from my couch at least) where if Fitz would just plunge forward, he'd get something. Instead, he dances and barely get's back to the LOS.
even there on that last gain...skipping and going sideways, not FORWARD!
Jesse James. Refuse.
this freshman needs to feel some pain!
GMat dialing up the pressure, or threat of it! WTG! Nice play by Black again!
Trying to earn the right to rush 4
Think we need one of those Ishtar drives right about now.
That's a shame. Good stop on 3rd down
Fickin Big baby!!!
________________ is just what ___________ defense/offense needed.
20 Goto 10
Odds that Michigan begins the drive with a -2 yard Fitz run?
Edit: Sometimes I absolutely love being wrong.
It's a nice feeling having some breaks go OUR way for once.
Is this how Notre Dame alums feel all the time?
has that play been at
Ohh that what running the ball is like.
yeah but even there, did you notice, that if he just ran FORWARD at the end of the run he'd could have made a few more? He skipped and got stopped.
pass and RAC.
and wherefor art thoust been or some such nonsense
Is something wrong with Gardner's pants?? He keeps adjusting them.
wearing a brace, I think that's what hes adjusting
Fitz hit that hole hard, nice gain
I like the run too...but rewind it and watch the end of the run again. He made the one cut into the hole, then tried to cut again. Just keep churning and pushing forward, and fall forward. he danced sideways at the end. I dunno, I am a fat 40 year old on my couch, but it seems to me that he's very rarely going all out FORWARD.
FUNCHESS! 37 yrd TD. WOW that kid is awesome!
Magnusson has been money!
Fuck "Bunches of Funchess"!!!
I'm talking about Funchmaster Flex!
And I will give Borges some credit. After our OLine sucking so badly, he's gone to a lot of max protection
Huge block by Butt on that play!
No matter what happens this season, damn we got something special with Funchess.
He could have had 2 more touchdowns. He starts making those catches and I say we give a tight end #1
he's already got a Legends Jersey. He's near uncoverable.
Good to see all the negative Nancy's turning around
Varied it up a bit offensively there, always helps. I liked the quick route to Dileo as much as any play there. We need more plays like that to keep a defense from keying on the runs and play actions.
Uh wormley sighting?
A positive outlook was always present with Denard, and Devin has managed to carry the magic with him as well. This team has been down in several games this season, and has fought back, with each player emotionally and physically exhausted at the conclusion.
These are good times.
where not having Pipkins hurts.
One fourth and a foot stop out of 2 isn't bad.
Blitz blitz blitz
have to murder somebody to be called for a hold? They have doing it all game.
NO SHIT! It's amazing! Arms across the chest on every fucking play, and NOT ONE holding flag, IIRC! Shameful!
I guess. Note to refs: PSU's line isn't good enough to keep their QB clean for 8 seconds.
nothing on the broadcast, obvs, but wondering if anyone has heard?
But they're not calling it at all!
Shouldn't that have been intentional grounding? Kick would've nissed
WHY THE HELL WAS THAT NOT GROUNDING?
I'd like us to play Green a couple snaps on this series. PSU has only seen him on 1 carry. It'd be a nice mixup
Do you honestly think it'd make much difference? The running game outside of Gardner has gone nowhere all night.
and now Fitz starts runnign well
I'd rather see Deveon but at least someone else for a couple plays
wear 'em down and Fitz will start getting yards
Akron with the upset bid over a ranked NIU? I'll latch onto that like a baby on a teet.
Need a first down. First down > 40 seconds.
The PI call on Morgan was clearly Uncatchable. Sit down obrien.
PSU #4 has been one of the MVPs for UM. Several timely PIs
I understand that might have cost them the game buuuuut that was clearly a penalty. Come on, man.
we got 'em.
O'Brien is underestimating Gallon's vertical. He could've made a play on it
Wouldn't have even needed a vertical.
HUGE! Hold on to that ball now, boys!
Awesome run. He's going to feel that tomorrow, Monday, and Tuesday..
Gardner still showing lots of heart... Gotta give him props for that.
Deveon! Deveon! Deveon! Deveon!
Smiff! Smiff! Smiff! Smiff!
Now that PSU sees it slipping away, they're going to hold onto that call. Probably for 50 years.
Put them away Devin! FINISH HIM!
You guys calling for Borges to try to "win the game," i.e., try to score are idiots! Last thing you want to do is give up a turnover. WTF?!? Work the clock!
Gardner is stupid
Hoke is consistently subpar with end of game management. Headset perhaps?
I disagree, that is on Devin.
Put in Gibbons!
C'mon Devin, that delay of game was a KILLER!
That's absolutely the right call. If you don't think so, I'm right.
Hooray. 3 bad coaching decisions in a row
WTF are you talking about? That's on Devin to not get the snap off. You MUST punt there. WTF would you have done?
1) Hoke needs to call a TO if that situation
2) Running wide instead of straight up
3) Should've then accepted a delay of game to improve the punter's chance
All because of devins idiot delay of game
You're a fucking idiot!
What a terrible timed jump? We don't deserve this.
That was just an incredible catch. Sucks for us but that was just amazing
NO FUCK YOU! You'd be out there throwing the ball and might turn the ball over. Devin get's that snap off and the game is FUCKING OVER. You MUST bleed the clock you fucking idiot!
If Devin can't even manage the clock to compensate for his propensity for turnovers, he HAS to be benched. I haven't had this much contempt for a player since Navarre.
So you're saying that bleeding the clock down so that all you have to do is snap it on 3rd down, and the game is over is NOT playing to win?!? WTF?!? Devin fucked it up. Snap the ball, and they have maybe 10 seconds to move the ball. You're a fucking idiot.
The fucked up thing is jackasses like you would be going APESHIT if Borges came out slinging it around and Devin threw another INT and they came down and scored. You know NOTHING about football.
We decided to no longer put pressure on the qb, not cover the sidelines, and have safeties nowhere to be seen? Interesting strategy cotton.
Come on, guys.. Overtime is fun!
We have the better kicker. But they have the taller WRs.
NOOOO I LIKE OVERTIME
kick it here
Come on! No better way to crush the souls of PSU is to beat them in their house in overtime!!
Hating the game management by Hoke. From the Lloyd ball before the punt, to the prevent D and not bringing at least 5 on PSU's last drive.
You guys are clueless!
Borges needs to get fired..
played to not lose rather than win !
horrible play calling most of the night
he chokes on the road
i've had it with Borges
no wonder why he has bounced around his whole career
we need a dynamic OC
that loss is all on Borges more than anybody else
Countess is due!
Damn conservative play calling. These coaches need some balls.
never played to win.. :(
A Fitz carry is a wasted down.
You guys are nuts. You idiots act like you're riverboat gamblers...fucking pussies would be shitting your pants if you were in that situation.
are such a tool.
Now punch it in!
see what happens when you try something tricky in the clutch! LOL moron!
Fucking Borges. Just QB Kneel if you're going to call shit like that
Are you kidding me?????? Be aggressive!!!!!
My God Fitz is a waste.
Sten - and you see what happens when Borges calls a pass??? We move it.
Hey didpshit, I saw that, but it was SETUP by the plays before. I was talking about PSU idiotic risky play that cost them the game (likely).
You idiots are bitching about the play calling, but Michigan has had 3 changes to win.
God, you know jackshit about football. You just curse like a petulant little boy
I've forgotten more about football than you'll ever know. The game was OVER if Gardner doesn't get a delay of game penalty. It was the right thing to bleed the clock, and it would have worked had DG not fucked up. In OT, when the other team gives you a chance to win with a FG, you play for the FG. Are you fucking daft?
Yep, you really are an idiot. If the other team misses a FG, you still try to score a TD. Only resign yourself to a FG if THEY (not you) stop you
From the 25 with a kicker like Gibbons? Are you serious?
Fire Brady Hoke!!!! Are you kidding me with this bullshit play calling????????
Al (Sten) Borges needs to be fired for his horrendous play calling
Write a sternly worded letter to Dave Brandon, and let me know how that works out for you.
youre also a potty-mouthed internet tough guy.
Sober up & try again next week.
Sober as a judge.
Look, all I am saying is that Michigan had the game WON if Devin doesn't get the delay of game flag. Then, they had it won several times on the (usually) sure footed foot of Gibbons. I have no problem with the way they ended the game, save the delay of game penalty.
Your an idiot
come to FG's again... Man!
There's a coach with balls
Call with their season. It doesn't matter. They had to go for it
set match, unfortunately. Well. We're ust not a very good team
Can't turn the ball over that many times and keep winning. 11 turnovers in 6 games? Is that right?
Cowardly loss. Embarrassing.
too many opportunities to win the game, wasted.
Terrible play calling. Played not to lose. Team didn't deserve this ... Coaches did.
Far as I'm concern that dumbass punt we did cost us. they had no time outs left
Or the dumbass delay of game.
Terrible play calling on offense. Played way too conservatively on offense in OT
Defense was pretty damn good.
This loss is on Borges and on the ST
How were we outcoached? We (again) spotted the opposition 14 points with turnovers. Then, we went "by the book" in bleeding the clock at the end of the game, and it was one snap from working. He snaps that ball, PSU maybe has 10 seconds to go down the field, maybe. I look at this game, again on Gardner. STOP TURNING THE BALL OVER, and you win. Easy enough.
Well for starters they could have called timeout instead of taking a delay of game 1 play before punting from the 35 instead of a FG from 28. And then to do it twice? Poor coaching.
I love Hoke and love what he is doing here but this was on him.
This team is really not very good at all. I am disappointed in Hoke for not gambling more in O.T. The team that gambled won. I rarely say this about Michigan, but they really did not deserve to win. The defense failed when we needed a play with 37 seconds left and Penn State with no timeouts. It was a pathetic effort.
This team is really not very good at all. I am disappointed in Hoke for not gambling more in O.T. The team that gambled won. I rarely say this about Michigan, but they really did not deserve to win. The defense failed when we needed a play with 37 seconds left and Penn State with no timeouts.
coaches gave away OT #1. if it werent for recruiting i might be pretty sour on these coaches.
Sorry triple post
I really don't understand the "gamble more in OT" thing all you guys are throwing around. PSU got the ball first, didn't score, we set up the EASY FG with our top-notch kicker. Blocked. Then back and forth. Yes, the team that gambled won, but that was after they dodged repeated bullets and at that point had nothing to lose. Michigan SHOULD have won the game in regulation and twice in OT.
Fans tend to prefer gambling, I think. But I'm with you: you have a high-percentage kicker, a high-variance quarterback, and your offensive line is Schofield-Burzynski-Glasgow-Kalis-Magnuson.
We can argue back and forth, but if people can't even see the argument for playing for the FG there, I don't know what to say.
devin is good at picking up globs of yards. settling for a 41 yard attempt without any real attempt to improve field position was a stupid decision.
I've seen a lot of bad things. That might be the king of bad things.
Hoke is a hell of a recruiter and a really shitty game coach.
no one needs to get fired.
we made some mistakes, made some hits
never agreed with those situations where it all comes down to the FG kicker. not fair.
THEY cheated like hell, got caught some of the time.
it's not going to be 6/6.
oh yeah GO BLUE!