No real dog in this race, but I'll probably root for the underdog Dutch. There also seems to be a stronger contingent of Dutch fans on here, so be better fun here if you all are happy.
OT: World Cup Final Open Thread
I wish the Dutch could call up Patrick Kluivert and Edgar Davids just for the final. My all time favorite Dutch/Suriname players ever.
VIVA ESPANA!!! I hope the Spaniards win. I've always liked their style of play and they have some great colors. Talk about a story too, from losing their first match to the Swiss all the way to World Cup Finals.
I like the Dutch too don't get me wrong. It's win-win for me whoever wins. You can't ask for two better deserving teams in the Finals...
I've always liked Spain, but I'm pulling for the Dutch.
Found this interesting article as well gives you a little insite into the history of these 2 countries....basically Hollands national anthem is all about war with spain....pretty interesting.
"And when the Spaniard harms thee
My homeland, sweet and good
The thought of it alarms me
And my noble heart spills blood."
Cheering for the dutch, but expecting another 1-0 spanish victory ... spain just controls the ball so well, they don't let the other team get the chances to socre ... im going out on a limb and saying i see xavi getting the goal but i have nothng to justify that prediction
all and all, should be a great final, both of these teams have been a joy to watch
According to ESPN, the top three players with the most touches on the oppositions half all play for Spain.
we're under way
What is the song they play when the players first enter the stadium at WC games?
I guess you're talking about the FIFA anthem
Kuyt just got owned right there. I think Sergio Ramos pushing up is going to give Kuyt more defensive duties than usual. But the opportunity for the counter is there.
I hear the DC MLS side's fans have brought them in. Yay new fan-ship.
I didn't mean to imply thousands. Just that they're there.
Is offering it's Doublicious sandwich for a vuvuzela mailed to it's company headquarters.
HEY HOLLAND, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TOUCH THE BALL
I hate Robben, but his running style is one of a kind.
[Edit] The Dutch are up to their usual dirty tackles.
So far this seems a little more lively than the first part of most games i have seen - actually had a couple of near-scores.
fuck, de jong straight up kicked alonso straight in the chest kung fu style
The Dutch are a pretty dirty team.
im cheering for the dutch but that was straight ugly ...
cleat to the chest, miles from the ball
the dutch are really lucky their not playing 10 on 11 right now, that would be game over, they would never touch the ball then
De Jong deserved two points for that front kick to the chest. That or a red card.
Sweep the Leg!!!
The Dutch are getting very aggressive.
Fuck that, I'd gone for the score.
soccer is a little like golf...
there are certain things you dont do ...
you dont not give the ball back after an injury just like in golf you self officiate yourself fairly ...
its about honor and respecting the game
This is Amhurica. We're all about the win, baby. Yet another reason the US will never love soccer.
/sarcasm, lots of it.
If A-Rod can't even walk on the mound, this argument is crap.
why did they do that? (holland gave away a corner kick to the goalie)
Showing up the refs for a bad call. Or sportsmanship to the goalie who didn't touch it, maybe?
They were intending to give the Spanish the ball back, but the back pass was a little aggressive so they actually gave it back. Sportsmanship....
wow he fucking fanned on it.
So is time of possession like 75+% Spain in the lead?
65% seemed closer to reality, but man does it seem like the Netherlands can't hold on to the ball for more than 2 passes.
I like the running clock in soccer, but they really need a better way of figuring out the amount of time lost to stoppages than going by the refs' best guess. I bet if someone actually timed all the stoppages in a typical half, it'd end up being like 5-7 minutes.
Things like free kicks, throw-ins, corners, etc. aren't supposed to stop the clock. Just when the ref stops play for things like injuries (why it is so often called injury time) or for substitutions.
But why not? Teams in the lead certainly milk as much time on throw-ins and the like as they can. That shouldn't be an option.
It comes down to the ref, he is supposed to punish time wasting with cards or warnings although they constantly fail. It's part of what drives fans completely mad during a game. Watching your team try to come back on the road when the other team is getting out a towel to dry the ball at every throw in (Stoke) can put one into a fit of rage.
Watching the seconds tick away feels like death.
I didn't invent/endorse the rule, just explaining why the amount of time added seems so short. Something like in basketball where the clock stops in the last two minutes may be preferable, but I doubt things will change anytime soon.
I wouldn't want them to actually stop the clock because that opens the door for TV timeouts. All they need is a "stoppage referee" whose sole job is to take note when play stops and keep track on a separate clock. The regular referee has too much to pay attention to as it is.
This has always been a frustration of mine since childhood. They are calling it much shorter in this World Cup compared to the usual club season / international breaks as well.
That said that was a pretty bad half, only made exciting by a couple moments of violence. Howard Webb usually loves being the center of attention, so I'm sure he loved it.
Thankfully the club season is back in a month and exciting soccer will recommence.
ur not welcome here
He was outed. Candidate for fastest ever. 2 minutes and 39 seconds from registering.
i barely had time to sneak in my insult ... thanks for taking care of him
As usual the players have looked extremely nervous.
Spain looked very dangerous the first 10 minutes but haven't done much since (despite continuing to own the ball). Hopefully the Dutch can get a sniff of the ball in the second half or Spain can do a little more with their possession, otherwise we're probably looking at a fourth straight grinding 1-0 win for Spain.
This has been a pretty boring half of soccer as much as I hate that. Germany-Uruguay was a MUCH more entertaining game.
In a game like Uru-Germany with so little on the line teams aren't afraid to open themselves up and attack. Cup finals typically are very nervy affairs, and in my experience miserably nervous events if you happen to support one of the two teams
I wish they would just play better and attack then...else its PK's or bust. And I like PK's, but I'd rather get PK's with 3-3 than 0-0. Heck, I'd take 1-1 over 0-0.
I'd rather the game gets decided by a bad ref decision. I hate PKs more then anything.
Yeah, I'm not that surprised how this is going. I couldn't believe Lalas picked a 3-2 final score.
Then again...has anyone heard of Frank's Red Hot Sauce?
I put that **** on everything!
BBQ sauce, it's the new salad dressing.
Sneijder missed a great chance to send Van Persie in on goal and Spain have pounced right back. Hopefully the rest of the 90 goes like this.
Does Robben do anything other than cut left and then hit with his left foot?
Two more on the Netherlands and Spain will enter the 1-and-1.
Some one is going to see a red card for all of this.
this Cup, this is certainly the worst.
I'd still have to give it to Brazil-Portugal. In this game they're at least trying to score.
picking up a bit. All the fouls have just been ruining any flow though.
what a miss, that may haunt him forever.
should of finished that, the dutch might never get a better chance
Great save from Casillas. Robben is going to be haunted by that one if they lose.
Think Robben should have tried to dribble around Casillas first? It was close. The defender might've recovered in time.
david villa came real close there
I love Jesus Navas. He has extreme homesickness, so has never left Sevilla, and has admitted to disliking overnight trips for european cup ties. It's amazing to see he's made it through 40 days in South Africa.
has had at least 3 solid chances in the last 10 minutes ...
ramos should have finished that header...
spain looks like they r about to finish on one
I really hate Von Bommel.
robben really should have gone down there ...
it would have been a red ...
that is why players flop ...
the contact stopped a goal, but not going down removed the foul
Robben screaming at Webb is great.
What a header from Van Persie to set him up there.
"even by spanish time it's getting late"
I wish American announcers were equally witty
But I could swear the guy on Univision just said Robben was trying to turn his legs into motorcycles (unsuccessfully). Hilarious.
please PLEASE dont let this game go to penalties
Both keepers are on their game today.
Everybody's got to be a hero.
No cramps today though... everyone appears to have limbered up.
More then previous years we've seen some unbelievable players choke in front of goal. Maybe it's that neither country has won it before and the pressure is a notch higher then usual?
Use the left foot. You are a pro
what is this, basketball?
Good luck to the Dutch and Spanish fans. Try to remain calm, this will be wild!
they must have had 5 good chances ...
combo of great keeping/shitty finishing/ and lack of a left foot has kept this game scoreless
Fabregas has seemed to make a huge difference ... thats spains huge advantage ... pulling top line players in the world off their bench fresh in late games because they are so deep
...who has the goaltending advantage in that situation?
I'd guess Spain. Casillas has a ton of experience. But shootouts are just weird. The most unexpected players end up missing.
id say spain. casillas is an animal.
their keeper is considered one of the best in the world after brazil's ...
the dutch keeper wouldnt even be starting if van da sar (sic?) from man u wasnt retired from international competition
Game just changed
10 on 11 now ...
the dutch have to pray to survive to pks now
Netherlands, now down to ten men.
smart time wasting by Robben. I really do hate him but he's doing a job.
Everytime I hear the announcer say "Piqué" I keep thinking he's talking about a penalty shootout.
they really deserve it to be honest
robben will be thinking about that miss forever
Wow, extra time that's about as close as it gets.
Never doubt the octopus
how much time the ref spends telling players to stop complaining but almost never really puts any weight behind it.
why spain got the goal kick to lead to that break out and goal...
should have been a corner to holland .... free kick clearly went off spains wall
Awful officiating down the stretch. Missed the ridiculous dive by Iniesta and the obvious corner to Holland. Spain pretty much immediately came down and scored after that.
He could only pull that off with an English accent. Brent Musberger saying that exact line would sound awful.
saying anything but "Michigan wins." And even then I'd rather hear the news from somebody else.
and the only undefeated team of the 2010 world cup ... your New Zealand Kiwis
congrats to spain i dont like em but they have been the best for a long time and deserved to win
No blow jobs I guess
Guess that's all you can hope for, in the tight nature of soccer.
Now please don't let this jinx Michigan football like their 2008 win did.
Spain controlled play in the second period after an uneventful first half, but the refs have a lot to answer for. Robbens was so clearly held, and one must assume Holland would have scored on the penalty. Fun to watch, but. . . ouch--get a replay, soccer.
I'm all for replay, and was rooting for the Dutch, but they should have been a man down after the Kung-Fu kick to the chest.
of non-calls as the ref struggled to keep enough men on the field in the second half. . .
So we're just going to ignore not giving a red card for the drop kick? If that's properly given, this isn't even a game.
Both sides got robbed at some point or another, i'm just happy the better team won.
Robben was held as he moved to score, and would likely have made the penalty. For me it was the most egregious reffing move of the game. And yeah, Spain is the "better" team talentwise, but it leaves a bad taste. Not a pretty match from MOST angles, and Spain did not play well for much of the match, so being better is kind of different from "deserving," don't you agree?
That was far from egregious, to me it looked like they were jostling for position and Robben won.
Agreed. Holland should've gotten a red card for the drop kick and Van Bommell was lucky not to be sent off as well. The Dutch don't have much to complain about, they played very negatively and Spain deserved the win.
Spain are deserving World Champs. Winning the Euro and the World Cup back to back is a rare feat. Iniesta grabbing the winner is fitting too, he's been amazing. Deserving winners.
Explain to me what is deserving about a team going up 11 guys to 10 on a phantom penalty on a flop that is deserving?
Spain flopped around like fucking pussies all day. Congratulations!
To be fair, The Oranje probably should have been down to 10 way earlier.
What about the breakaway take downs that were only yellows? What about the fouls in the box?
We could play this game all day. Fact of the matter is those last 2 penalties were not fucking penalties. Period. Also Torres needs to check his vagina.
I don't deny that there were missed calls around, but my counter to your counter is that while those missed calls are at least somewhat typical of soccer matches, kicking a guy straight in the chest while the ball is clearly a foot above should net you a red card 99 times out 100. Spain played hard, dominated possession, and made the plays when they needed to. I do think that something should have been called on Robben's run toward the end of regulation.
But Spain won both Euro 2008 and the WC - they are not a fluke, and played well enough to win.
Getting a soft red is hardly unlucky when half or more of your team has been playing with deserved yellows for an entire half.
Would have preferred to see Germany v Brazil.
Was Spain the better team today? Probably not. Were they the best floppers today? You bet your ass. If you want to learn to get good at soccer just learn to flop. Without those flops it's 11-11 and it goes to pks.
Meh, even if it's 11 on 11 that crappy clearance still gets made and Fabregas still puts Iniesta through.
Holland got jobbed.
France didn't seem to have any problems in the '98 WC final. Marcel Desailly (probably their best defender) was sent of pretty early in that match, but France still managed to beat Brazil 3-0.
France were already up 2-0 when he got sent off. And playing at home.
Of course, none of that makes bouje's rant that "Holland got jobbed" any more sane though. When you hit a guy with a flying cross-kick to the chest and you don't get kicked out of the game, then give up a clean goal from the run of play, you lose the right to complain that officiating cost you the game.
I remembered that all wrong. I thought Desailly was red carded while it was still 0-0. In my defense, I was 10 at the time.
holland was asking for red all game....
the kung fu kick was ugly ugly ugly
and beyond that they were fouling all over the place
But you cannot lie that both of those last 2 fouls on holland were not penalties. It doesn't matter what team you root for but neither of those should have been called. And Torres cramping up at the end of the game Jesus someone get him a fucking tampon.
You just sound bitter, man.
haven't seen Holland play in other games. They flopped way more than Spain in the WC.
Dude you are totally out of your mind. The Dutch were real dirty today and were lucky to play down a man for as little time as they did.
Also I never thought Iniesta would top his previous epic winner. Amazing couple of years for him.
iirc barci was down to 10 men against 11 at that point too
Iniesta is just amazingly consistent
...really is a twat, isn't he?
If so, then yes, he is an epic [REDACTED].
Mod edit: There is one word Brian has expressedly forbid us from allowing on the board. This one was it. Just FYI as rampant usage will get you banned.
Mod: Did PurpleStuff call Steve McManaman an epic spartina?
Then I would have like negative a million points and tons more mgoboard street cred.
Sorry about the slip-up. I blame spending too much time on the Tartan Army Message Board during the World Cup where half the threads seem to be titled, "Who is a bigger blankety-blank?" Guess I forgot to tone things down for my American audience.
Promise it won't happen again (assuming there aren't any Jeopardy-style thread topics about Steve McManaman in the future).
More than in their red light district.
We hardly knew ya. See you in 4 years.
FUCKING TIK TOK IS PLAYING?!
Sigh, I wish the style and pace of play from the second half had kept up in the overtime. Things got chippy, floppy, and sloppy and the overall level of play went down significantly.
Also, are people really defending the flop that resulted in the second yellow? Really?
for it. Of course they are saying that if he hadn't flopped and no second yellow was given Spain still would have scored 11-11.
Spain was flopping and diving all fucking game long. It's pathetic and not good for the game of soccer.
Just because Spain controlled possession doesn't mean that they were the better. Honestly quality scoring chances were pretty even and neither team could put the ball in the back of the net.
iniesta definitely dived to exaggerate the foul but he had his man beat with a clear path on goal and heitinga reached out and grabbed his shoulder...it may be a soft yellow but 50-50 it does get called a yellow
just look at heitinga's reaction afterwards, he didn't even try pleading his case, he just turned around and walked off because he knew he committed the foul