OT: Urban Meyer calls out
the NCAA and other coaches. Two articles. He basically speaks on why he quit, the pressure to compete and other coaches that want to do whats right but cannot because of the competative disadvantages of doing it the right way.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/urban-meyer-outlaw-coaches-not-afraid-of-ncaa-29493
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/meyer-critical-of-coaches-and-the-n-c-a-a/?src=twrhp
February 14th, 2011 at 10:19 PM ^
I can't remember. Didn't Meyer campaign against Michigan to play OSU in the BCS championship while Carr stood silent?
February 14th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
Then proceeded to beat the piss out of OSU in the MNC. They deserved to be there.
February 14th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
But I still say USC was the best team in the country that year. OSU played terribly, and Tressel was thoroughly outcoached (yay Mattison!).
<br>I think the Trojans would have beaten either team
February 15th, 2011 at 1:34 AM ^
USC was the best team for most years while Carroll was coach, but they always managed to blow one game during the season.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:38 AM ^
After the '06 Rose Bowl, USC decided to start mailing it in for one or two Pac-10 games per year.
February 15th, 2011 at 11:40 AM ^
Although, in retrospect, it is karmic justice that USC didn't get a NC that we now would be arguing should be stripped away for their flagrant cheating.
February 15th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
Hey 20 cal -
You been under a rock or something? 2005 Orange Bowl against OU. I thought I had brain damage when I read your post. Thanks.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:59 PM ^
You are making the rather naïve assumption that every other national champ has played it by the books. College athletics is a lot dirtier than people want to admit. Every program violates the rules. It's just a matter of degree (and sheer luck - the NCAA isn't able to find concrete proof most of the time, because it doesn't have subpoena power).
February 14th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
February 14th, 2011 at 10:59 PM ^
you're saying it is different then?
February 15th, 2011 at 1:29 AM ^
Super ad hominem.
February 14th, 2011 at 10:19 PM ^
This would have been a lot more meaningful and/or effective if he had talked to the media before he retired.
February 14th, 2011 at 10:23 PM ^
If he did this while he was a coach it would just make it look like he was trying to get an advantage over the other teams/coaches. To me, it comes off more genuine now that he is retired.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
If Meyer had said this while coaching, he would have been fined and reprimanded by the NCAA. Also, it would have come off much more like "sour grapes," especially last year.
Meyer is speaking the truth here, and I find those who are criticizing him for it laughable. He pretty much laid it on the line: if you are a coach, you can either cheat or watch those who do have an advantage over you.
There is nothing an active coach can do to change anything, and if he speaks out, it often counts as "insubordination." I think Meyer now has more power as an ESPN employee than as a football coach. His resume is solid; when a coach with two NC's on his resume speaks out, people listen.
I can guarantee that if Meyer was currently coaching at Michigan and made these remarks, absolutely nobody in this forum would have anything negative to say about it. Besides, those here who really hate the SEC should be very happy about these remarks, especially the subtle mention that he had been "insulated" from such behavior before moving to SEC country.
If part of Meyer's reason for quitting was that he didn't want to "roll in the mud with pigs," I admire his decision.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:28 AM ^
Agreed, with the stupidly small quiblle that he would have been fined by the SEC. I'm happy someone with as big a name as he has is stepping up to the plate. His old school will probably be the catalyst for the rest of the SEC to stop the oversigning, Meyer's alright in my book for now.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:32 AM ^
Did he mean "Roll Tide"
February 15th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
I love that he is speaking up. Maybe some things will get changed.
February 14th, 2011 at 10:21 PM ^
Headline: Retired SEC Head Coach finds God and Justification after Retirement
February 14th, 2011 at 10:27 PM ^
Thanks to Tim Tebow
There I fixed it for you
February 14th, 2011 at 10:34 PM ^
and kitten mittens....
February 14th, 2011 at 10:46 PM ^
Good for him to speak about this publicly. Hypocrit or not, its the truth.
February 14th, 2011 at 10:55 PM ^
Good for him, I guess, but considering how many arrests and/or marginal kids he had at Florida while he was there, it rings a little hollow to get on his high horse now and complain. Still, it always helps when a prominent former coach points out how bad it has gotten in the SEC.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
After reading these article's all the negative stuff going on at Fla was part of the reason he got out when he did. He knew what he had to do to win down there and it seems like he didn't like what he needed to do to win. To me that's the win at all costs attitude he didn't like. I could deffinetly see him coming back to the midwest to coach where he doesn't have to look the other way at all the crap you have to put up with as a coach in the SEC. It seems like he always wanted to go back to Notre Damn, but Brian Kelly seems like he has that Job locked down, unless he gets canned for all the off field stuff that has been going on. Or i could see him end up at Penn State when Joe Pa leaves. Those seem like 2 schools where he could recruit well at and the fans want to win, but they also have Standards that the SEC don't.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:02 PM ^
During his reign as coach of the Gators, he single-handedly watched guys get arrested, pick up speeding tickets, get in trouble on campus, tweet about their constant drug usage, etc. Now to suggest that the college game is "too dirty" for him is like the Mob saying that crime just got a bit too bloody. He was part of the problem, he knows all about the "honest coaches" because that's who he ran over and he knows all about "gaining a competitive advantage." UF may not be as dirty as Auburn or the Mississippi schools, but it is up there in my mind. They took risks on guys and they let guys questionable guys play.
In my mind, he's gone from the game because he knows that as good a recruiter as he was, there was too much competition chomping at the bit in the SEC when all of his top assistants left to be HCs or top assistants elsewhere. Miss. State, Auburn and others are all coming up, while FLA is finding it is hard to stay on top of the heap in the "dirty dirty."
February 14th, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^
"During his reign as coach of the Gators, he single-handedly watched guys get arrested, pick up speeding tickets,"
Picking up speeding tickets is unforgivable. Good point.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:02 PM ^
February 14th, 2011 at 11:07 PM ^
In my opinion, this should carry a lot of weight. He is no longer coaching, so he no longer has the conflict of interest. He most likely knows far more than most people about the situation college football is in. I hope to see him working with officials to fix this mess.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^
I read his Tweets and talk about disturbing.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill
February 14th, 2011 at 11:51 PM ^
Wow. Just wow.
February 15th, 2011 at 12:02 AM ^
I think those tweets are hilarious.
February 15th, 2011 at 7:44 AM ^
A bit dark, but definitely some degree of "Colombian awesome" ...
February 15th, 2011 at 7:54 AM ^
Could you imagine Bo or Woody recruiting this kid, or better yet him being on UM/OSU during their era. The kid would wind up on the back of a milk carton.
February 14th, 2011 at 11:28 PM ^
I'm glad Meyer said these things. The NCAA needs to at least employ scare tactics forcing some schools to comply.
February 15th, 2011 at 12:19 AM ^
February 15th, 2011 at 1:00 AM ^
causes cognitive dissonance
February 15th, 2011 at 1:32 AM ^
I was hoping this would be about oversigning.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:03 AM ^
I do not have a clue what half those tweets are about. The one where he is in the airport is hillarious though.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:31 AM ^
Oh its a book deal. Tough to decipher the smell given all the crap that Urban's been spitting out to make himself holier than Tebow. Do not be fooled. Urban is very self-serving and will never shy away from the media to fulfill whatever alternative motive that he might have: $$$, revenge, a cushion job,....[ENTER SELECTED VANITY SIN]
I will never forget Urban for his comments against our Program in 2006. Many of you might move on, which is the sensible thing to do as the past should be the past; but unfortunately I am not sensible - I am a fan (ahem...short for fanatic) and if you ever draw blood on our Program I want to see your eventual demise, slowly and painfully.
February 15th, 2011 at 8:58 AM ^
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
"Aye, aye! and I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up!"
February 15th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^
Urban Meyer is one of the last people I want to hear from on this subject. He was one of the dirtiest recruiters in the nation. I guess it's a good thing that somebody is finally saying something, but aside from beating the snot out of an over confident OSU, I can't stand him. The guy hounded Devin Gardner until he signed his name on his LOI.
I can't even imagine all the bullshit he spewed to every recruit in that epic class he signed last year before he left again. Don't get me wrong, I know he supposedly left for health reasons, and I wish no ill will on anyone, but talk about hypocritical. Come out and rip the system that you exploited for personal gain after you get out.
The system is definitely broken, signing day has become disgusting. It's the reason that the game passed up Bob Knight. I love hearing Knight commentate basketball games, just an absolute wealth of knowledge, but the last thing Bob Knight was going to do is kiss the ass of a 17 year old high school kid. He would have punched them in the face before he did that (I'm aware he wasn't the greatest guy in the world, just wanted to make a point).
February 15th, 2011 at 10:05 AM ^
You nailed that. I read when he achieved king status at Indiana after 1976, you could count the number of kids he actively recruited by doing a home visit on one hand. One of his last was Isiah. This visit resulted in him nearly getting into an all out brawl with Zeke's brothers outside his apartment in Chicago. Isiah's mom told her son that this guy is no bs and isn't promising you anything but a degree and some discipline, so go play for him.
His deal was: they either want to be part of what Indiana is about, or they don't. He wasn't about to change or cheat.
You wanna read a great book check out Bob Knight: The Unauthorized Biography. Frank Sinatra probably wrote "My Way" anticipating the fame of Bob Knight.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:01 AM ^
For saying what everyone knows, but no one wants to say/confirm. His stepping down finally makes a little sense and good for him for sticking to his morals, despite what people think about him. He's a likeable guy and had great success wherever he went. Hopefully the dynamics of NCAA football will change for the better and he will come back, as much as that pains me to say.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:48 AM ^
I don't really pay much attention to Meyer, but I'm rather impressed that he said this:
The ultimate mission of college athletics is to develop people for after athletics. The job is not to make money for the university. That’s not the number one objective and I’m anxious to help and give my opinion.”
Unfortunately even the Michigan fanbase would probably run him out of town if Meyer came here and put up a couple of mediocre seasons. No wonder he retired. I'm tempted to let go of the game too and I only have a casual interest. The corruption and win-at-all-costs nature is really a turn off.
February 15th, 2011 at 12:16 PM ^
here in Cbus is always talking about Meyer replacing Tressell (when he retires, supposedly after this season). If Meyer wasn't talking out of his ass here, then he would NEVER work for Ohio State.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^
What exactly did Meyer say that's so controversial? If he thinks the game is overrun with corrput, evil people, then he needs to give specifics instead of talking in vague generalities. If he said, "For example, I watched Coach X do awful thing Y and here's how I'd change it," then he might make a difference. He doesn't need to say anything that isn't already public record. If he talked about Les Miles taking a scholarship from a kid after he enrolled for his Freshman season, called him a turd, and said the NCAA was a weak, spineless organization for allowing that to happen, then there might be results.
That interview is nothing more than BS media fodder.