OT - South Korea and ice... I don't get it.

Submitted by 4godkingandwol… on
Honest question. What's up with South Korea and Olympic sports on ice? I mean, the weather seems fairly normal in the country, a few cold months, but nothing like Russia or Eastern Europe. Why are they so good? 7th overall in the medal count -- 11 medals, 6 gold, all in speed skating and now one in figure skating. Any S. Koreans on this board with local knowledge?

rtyler

February 26th, 2010 at 2:32 AM ^

Ice skating is an indoor sport that requires facilities, not consistently cold weather. South Koreans can afford said facilities and they have a sufficiently advanced economy that people pursue Olympic sports. There may also be a cultural aspect too, though. I don't know. Also, athletes don't always train in their country of origin.

4godkingandwol…

February 26th, 2010 at 10:24 AM ^

Really, thanks for the education. The point I was making with the weather was that most countries that excel at the sport are cold weather countries where ice skating has it's roots, in fact, in outdoor activities. I'm more interested in the cultural aspects, why ice skating as opposed to luge, skeleton, bobsled? If they are economically advanced, why not build luge tracks and ski jumps? They absolutely dominate short track speed skating, what happened in the past that created such an interest in this sport in that country?

rtyler

February 26th, 2010 at 10:51 AM ^

"why ice skating as opposed to luge, skeleton, bobsled? If they are economically advanced, why not build luge tracks and ski jumps? " Uh, maybe because those aren't indoor sports? As you stated, they might not have cold enough weather. Ice skating may have its roots in outdoor activities, but that doesn't mean you need cold outdoor areas to train, unlike sliding sports or skiing.

4godkingandwol…

February 26th, 2010 at 12:21 PM ^

... for luge. Tracks are built for year round training... same with ski jumping. But thanks for the expert opinion. My question still stands: From an anthropological point of view, why speed skating? Something must have triggered this. That's all I'm asking. Just because you have money doesn't mean you should have an affinity for going around in circles on ice. Why not volleyball? handball? Jai-alai? bocce ball? synchronized swimming? etc...

M-Wolverine

February 26th, 2010 at 1:08 PM ^

But it's not ideal. Sure, Jamaica has a bobsled team, but they weren't any good. For the cost and expense of keeping an ice surface up, if they were identical in experience, people would always train on the non-ice surfaces. It's not like those aren't prepared to perfection too...and they're not out there saying...whhheeeeee, it's snowing, let's luge right!

rtyler

February 27th, 2010 at 1:18 AM ^

"Why not volleyball? handball? Jai-alai? bocce ball? synchronized swimming?" Well, those (except volleyball) aren't Olympic sports. What makes you think there aren't excellent handballers, jai alai players, booce ballers, or synchronized swimmers in Korea? Just because they excel at speed skating doesn't mean they don't do any of those things, too. I'm just sayin'.

StephenRKass

February 26th, 2010 at 7:09 AM ^

It is cold enough. But indoor ice rinks aren't really linked to outside temps. And notice that the figure skating gold medalist trained in Toronto. I doubt you will see a strong program there in downhill or nordic skiing. Although, I guess stranger things have happened.

Topher

February 26th, 2010 at 10:40 AM ^

Have you checked the latitude? Korea is northeast (mostly east) of Japan, and they held a Winter Olympics in Japan. The Frozen Chosin refers to American (excuse me, "United Nations") troops freezing to death during the Korean War. Never been, but South Korea is plenty cold. It's sort of the Asian version of Finland: very cold, internationally benign, strong in technical fields, most people live in a few dense cities, and sharing a border with a hostile neighbor. The RoK is ridiculously cold...in fact I've heard it speculated that the high performance of South Korean students across the world is partially due to the fact there's nothing much to do in the cold months except study.

jmblue

February 26th, 2010 at 1:11 PM ^

I don't know about that analogy. Finland is one of the world's least densely populated countries; South Korea is one of its most crowded. Finland has only a token military force and has sought to be accommodating to foreign powers; South Korea has a huge military, is still technically at war with North Korea, and still has a strained relationship with Japan (which, in fairness, is probably more Japan's fault). And while South Korea has four distinct seasons (including fairly cold winters), Finland's climate on the whole is more severe.

octal9

February 26th, 2010 at 10:58 AM ^

I have no idea. I always thought the whole of South Korea was too busy playing StarCraft to do anything else. On a completely related note, they'll be awful in the next Summer *and* Winter Olympic games.

jmblue

February 26th, 2010 at 12:54 PM ^

I don't think it's any more unusual than the Netherlands (which has milder winters than Korea) being fanatical about speed skating. Winter sports are part of the local culture.

M-Wolverine

February 26th, 2010 at 1:24 PM ^

South Korea is an emerging economic power (the difference between the South and North are drastic) that is trying to make it's splash on the world stage, up to and including trying to get the Olympics in their own country. Other countries don't think of it as we do...not so much a beat their chest we're the best athletes in the world mentality, but a political reflection of their country and perception. Even western countries...look at Canada's disappointment in how they are doing in their home Olympics, and their obsession with their perception. (Americans, of course, don't care about how others see them...they just care about winning and losing). So they have money, and interest, in succeeding. Why those sports? Because they are sports based on speed, skill, and not really size or strength. And say what you will, you're not finding a large number of Korean Offensive Linemen. Heck, even the short track is more based on quickness than out and out speed. In many of the other events, that matters. They call Mancuso a short skier, even though she's a pretty normal 5'5". Size, length, stride matter. There's a reason football players have acted as the drive man in a bobsled run, and can ride along. They're strong, and they weight enough to make you go faster. The greatest Luger of all time, George Hackel, had a body like a stuffed sausage. His weight helped him. It's the same way that 4 of the top 5 figure skaters in the women's competition were Asian (1 Korean, 2 Japanese, and 1 American of Asian decent). Small, quick, skilled matters. Just like Japan. China has more success in the Olympics because a. they have a billion plus people, so you can have Yao Ming type variances more readily available b. say what you will, but a number of their athletes in fields are using steroids (some of their women swimmers have thicker mustaches than I do....and yes, we have track and fielders that are doing the same thing) and c. a lot of these Asian countries don't act like America, and let people say "I really like skiing...I'm going to be a skier"; they say "we've tested you, and you have the body type/skills to be a speed skater...you are a speed skater...go to our training camp when you hit 4". That is wayyyyyyy more so in a less free country like China, but it's a lot more by type and need, rather than personal interest in countries like Japan and Korea (just look at the weight on the figure skater's shoulders...in the US, you fail and man, you don't become America's darling, and you lose a lot of endorsements. In Korea, she was going to let down a WHOLE NATION. You could see her ice queen presence shatter after she had done it...it was like you could physically see the weight lifted off her shoulders). So, in summary, country with money with a desire to exceed and show itself off, picking sports it think it can succeed at (and that it can), guiding them towards that.

mgoblue2008

February 28th, 2010 at 1:24 AM ^

I guess this is another OT. I am really annoyed about the fact that Notre Dame has a connection with Japanese Football Association. Michigan should go to Korea introducing our football (yes, not soccer, true football)

allezbleu

February 28th, 2010 at 4:19 AM ^

its quite cold in the winter. plenty of snow, etc. you will find that koreans are absolutely fanatic about sports especially when it comes to their national teams. for example, they really get behind their soccer team to the extent that europeans do, and their support for olympic athletes is incredible. but weather is only a prerequisite for winter olympic success. they just have good development programs. and the short track skating success has been a snowball effect through the years.

almostkorean

February 28th, 2010 at 8:08 PM ^

I just asked my mom about it and she said it's just part of the culture, everyone loves skating. She said when she was little during winter break, her and her whole family would wake up and go ice skating all day. She said the ice rinks were packed, elbow to elbow, and even the middle would be packed with figure skaters. Kind of suprising that Kim Yuna was their first figure skating medal