OT: Shooting victim sues 5 Ann Arbor bars

Submitted by The Mad Hatter on

The 26-year-old Chicago man shot at a downtown Ann Arbor dance club is suing every bar at which the gunman drank before the shooting.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/04/rush_street_shooting_victim_su.html#incart_m-rpt-2

I thought this was worth posting as many of us have visited the bars in question.

creelymonk10

April 10th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^

Why would they even bring up the bouncer not patting him down before entering in the lawsuit? Is that something they really expect the bouncer at every bar/club to do? Don't blame the bars, blame the guy who illegally carried his firearm into a bar and then illegally drank alcohol while carrying. Regulating when to cut people off once showing signs of intoxication is an extremely difficult thing to do (unless it's blatantly obvious), especially for places that make most of their income from alcohol sales. Most places just make you leave if you start falling asleep.

Bodogblog

April 10th, 2015 at 11:37 AM ^

But is every bar supposed to pat down its patrons before they enter?  Isn't that going to lead to metal detectors in every social hangout?  And what about any other service venue, a gas station suppose - if this guy walked into a Mobil and picked a fight, shot someone, isn't the gas station responsible for the security of their patrons as well?  Would we expect that everyone going into a gas station would be patted down? 

JamieH

April 10th, 2015 at 2:51 PM ^

If you want to prevent people from illegally (or even legally I guess) carrying guns onto the premises, yeah that's probably your only recourse.  Of course, that probably won't stop a glock.  Dunno if it is possible to get glock ammo past a metal detector. 

Frank Booth

April 10th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

Is it standard procedure for security to frisk people before they enter a club? I think the bigger issue is that security let a belligerent drunk in, then didn't do anything when he was mouthing off to people and started a fight.

WolvinLA2

April 10th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^

We have no evidence that he was beligerent when they let him in.  If he was .17 at the end of the night, it was very possible he was .12 or so when he entered Rush St and acting perfectly normal.  Some people show their drunkeness better than others - I know plenty of people who can be near-black out drunk and seem just fine to a bouncer.  And it's not like anyone entering a place like Rush St is stone cold sober when they come in.

I agree that they should have been better about breaking up the incident before it got out of hand, but I wasn't there to see it so it's hard to really judge that too harshly.  We may be talking about a matter of seconds here.

creelymonk10

April 10th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^

I get that, but it was in the suit, not just something MLive randomly said. It's like the lawyer feels it's the bar's fault for not patting him down, I've never heard of or seen a bouncer patting someone down before endering a bar. If they only sued the last bar for the reason they saw he was belligerent and didn't break up his fight right away, then I can see where they're coming from. Instead, they sue every bar and complain about the bouncer not patting him down? Sounds like they're throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, and I really, really hate that.

wahooverine

April 10th, 2015 at 11:16 AM ^

I don't blame the guy for shaking down the bars. It's a good bet they will settle with him and he gets his expenses covered at a minimum.  That's what our legal sysem allows and even encourages. Who actually deserves culpability is largely irrelevent.

WolvinLA2

April 10th, 2015 at 11:39 AM ^

I blame him.  Sometimes you do the right thing, instead of the thing that nets you the most money.  Sometimes unfortunate things happen to people and not everyone you can think of is to blame.  This is why you get insurance and he wouldn't have to go around blaming everyone.

madmaxweb

April 10th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

Yea I don't think our legal system is built so people can get rich quick off companies by suing them. It's to get justice and that is exactly what he got when the got was sentenced. Now if he sued the guy that shot him and is responsible for his injuries then fine, that's what the legal system is about. But to sue 5 companies just because the guy drank there is truly a get rich quick. Suing the guy that shot you should be more than enough to get your medical bills and other expenses due to the shooting covered.

Julius 1977

April 10th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^

One of my many lawyer friends told me that once.  His point was that judges have crowded dockets and are pre-disposed to dismissing anything they consider not worth their time.  I think this is basically true.

Any time you hear about lawsuits that seem stupid they always start making sense when you learn more about the details.  Like the judges, lawyers generally don't want to waste their time either.

HollywoodHokeHogan

April 10th, 2015 at 2:02 PM ^

    Did anyone else notice how light the shooter's sentence was?  A four year turn round is pretty light, in my limited lawyerly experience.  Judge must've liked something he said.

remdog

April 10th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^

of how insane our civil legal system is.

The ONLY person responsible was the shooter.  Period.

I feel bad for the bar owners who are now being legally assaulted and lose no matter what the legal outcome.

slimj091

April 10th, 2015 at 7:31 PM ^

I'll never understand why people think that it is a good idea to carry a loaded firearm on their person when going out to get shit faced drunk.