Wings open the playoffs vs the Coyotes. FS Detroit at 6:30.
Mike Madano is a healthy scratch.
Modano is a scratch even though zetterberg is injured? I would have thought he'd be playing tonight.
The Wings are exactly healthy, so any available player is a positive. You got to feel for Modano though, its gotta be tough be scratched for a playoff game, especially with his experience.
has proved himself to be pretty much useless. His injury set him back a ton and he hasn't scored enough to stay in the lineup. As of right now, Eaves and Miller have the same kind of production offensively, but are much more better defensively and on the PK. It's definitely the right decision.
Just said hockeytown. I'm going to write a book on parenting
Just said hockeytown. I'm going to write a book on parenting
After watching so much college hockey the past month it seems like the I'm watching the game on fast forward
is uninspiring right off the bat...Gotta play better at JLA.
Is the game streaming online anywhere? Channelsurfing.net is down and I wont have Versus until I move in a few weeks.
Edit: Nevermind I found a link on another thread. atdhe.fm
Terrible start for the wings. They look like a garbage 8 seed right now...not to say I lost faith, because the Red Wings are never out of a game, but let's go!
is that you?
Try atdhenet.tv, they usually have them
I believe we had as many shots on that PK as they did.
And how was that not an elbowing on that hit on Helm??? WTFFFF
There is no way that is a penalty this is crap
There is something wrong with that ref with the huge nose. That slash he just called on Phoenix was even worse than the 'high sticking' he called on Abdelkader
Good Lord, Pheonix's powerplay is absolutely terrible.
"And the fans want a penalty for that cross-check on Holmstrom... none coming." (said sarcastically) I love the FSN Detroit Hockey color commentators.
and utter bullcrap, what teams get away with on Holmstrom in front of the net.
For the majority of his career, Homer has been penalized for looking the goalie the wrong way and teams have literally tackled him with no call. I don't understand why every other player is afforded the benefit of the doubt in that situtation.
It is not fair how effective Holmstrom is in front of the net. Therefore, the refs have to level the playing field someway.
To be fair, anyone who stands in front of the net gets this treatment, not just Holmstrom. Detroit relies on having that big body in front of the net, and so you're going to see it more often in Wings games. But its not any different for players like Holmstrom on any other team.
That was beyond blatant.
Agreed, I just wanted to stick in that plug before we started getting "OMG THE REFS HATE DETROIT, BETTMAN CONSPIRACY" posts. Then again, people posting stuff like that probably don't care for facts, logic, etc. and will post anyway, so it's probably all moot.
Note: NOT referring to you at all, just the hypothetical homer
I heard these refs watched the Michigan-UMD game on TV and thought the refs officated a perfect game.
i doubt even a phoenix fan would think this period has been officiated fairly. clearly crosschecking : hooking :: petting : placing-in-bag-and-drowning-in-river
A hockey fan south of the Mason-Dixon line? Fat chance.
I used to be wary of the "tin foil hat" Wings fans, but I'm with them here.
Absolutely ticky-tack penalties called on the Wings, and blatant roughing calls on the yotes have been ignored. The late hit by Doan on Helm, Jovo punching Homer in the head.
The league wants the Coyotes to advance so that they can justify having an ownerless team in the middle of a fucking desert instead of moving it to a hockey city like Winnipeg or Hamilton.
Just because the calls aren't going the Wings way does NOT mean it is a conspiracy. Sometimes refs make bad calls. Sometimes those calls, in short periods of time (i.e. one period of one hockey game) are mostly against one team. It happens, unfortunately, but does not mean that someone is playing puppet master.
It happened in the two games against Chicago too. Franzen got slashed on the face and was bleeding. No call.
I hate to be this way, but this shit always seems to happen.
But how many times have the Wings been on the other end of things? I think you're focused on when the Wings are wronged by poor officiating (understandably), and don't really consider all the times that the Wings should be headed to the sin-bin.
The refs make bad calls, trust me, but they cut both ways. Sometimes, in one game, bad calls may affect one team more than another. It sucks, but it happens.
But how many times have the Wings been on the other end of things?
I've been a Wings fan all 22 years of my life, and I have a difficult time remembering a significant game where the Wings had more than 2 more power plays than their opponent.
The refs make bad calls, trust me, but they cut both ways.
That's not true in all cases. There's judgment involved; it's not a purely mathematical study where sometimes you land outside of two standard deviations like a dice roll.
Four power plays for one team in a single period is too many.
Another example from the regular season finale against Chicago.
The Seabrook goal with Kopecky screening in front of the net, his feet were in the crease, his ass was in Howard's face. Had that been Homer on the other side of the rink, the refs probably disallow that goal.
Small data set.
I'm just providing examples. Some data is better than no data. if you want a detailed analysis, head over to Winging it in Motown or A2Y and ask. You'll have plenty of data.
The Red Wings had 301 PPs on the season and 300 PKs. That's about as even as it gets. There is variation from game to game and the Red Wings certainly do get screwed by the refs every now and then (for instance, tonight), but as fans we tend to only notice if the refs are screwing us rather than our opponents.
it just feels like we fucked over when it counts most. the big games against the "nhl's" teams feel slanted.
I feel the same way when I watch the Wings, Michigan Hockey, or any other team I root for a lot of the time. This feeling is exacerbated in sports like hockey, where penalties are more subjective, as well as when we have home-team announcers who do not even attempt to be objective (which I love, but doesn't help with the whole neutral evaluation thing). And then there's the whole issue of the NHL being run by a bunch of people who are perceived as being stupid and corrupt (and this perception, I feel, is accurate to an extent). However, this doesn't mean that the NHL officials are biased or ref in a biased fashion. More likely, they simply miss calls or make bad ones that favor one team or the other by accident (statistical noise) and we only really notice and remember when it is hurting us. Furthermore, when we can build a narrative as to why the refs are predisposed to favor our opponent, we take every bad goal against us as evidence of the narrative and disregard any bad calls going the other way.
Large data set.
(This post is full of win)
I have all three games up on my TV/computers. I'm in my mid-20s, so you certainly have tenure, but I've played enough hockey and watched enough hockey to have some credibility. Look up my other posts on mgoblog related to hockey.
For what its worth, there are very few games where there is a difference of more than 2 PP opportunities per team. I'm just saying that I don't think its a conspiracy. Do you honestly think the refs get together and say "hey let's make phoenix win and screw detroit"?
My logic: Detroit wins lots of games, and has a very large fan base. Phoenix has about 3 fans. If you got to pull the strings, and your concerns are financial, wouldn't you want Detroit to win to take advantage of huge television ratings and revenue from 2011 Stanley Cup Champions merchandise? What exactly do you gain by having Phoenix win? It would be worse than the last World Series as far as national interest (adjusted for popularity of the sports, of course).
Bad calls happen. I just don't think it's a conspiracy.
EDIT: Read your post wrong, I guess we're about the same age. It doesn't really matter, I just wanted to edit for consistency.
Gary Bettman is a ugly, petty, pimple of a human being who would do this shit just to prove he was right about having a team in Phoenix.
This doesn't mean the NHL doesn't want Phoenix to advance. Professional sports organizations, especially the NHL, want to appear as if they know what they're doing, even when they make boneheaded decisions for the sake of national attention.
The NHL has established a ridiculous number of teams in the south relative to the number of people who care about hockey. This earns them more national TV coverage, but the NHL doesn't want to appear as if money is their only motivation...when teams like Phoenix do well, their decisions appear legitimately good for the sport of hockey and Gary Bettman gets to swing his dick around.
It's really no different than the NHL's desire for Sidney Crosby to win a Stanley Cup...after all, he is the posterboy for professional hockey. This doesn't mean that series was a conspiracy, but it doesn't mean the organization is neutral.
Hockey can be viable in the south. Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, and Tampa have all been relatively successful and have passionate fan bases. They also do fairly well when you compare market size to average attendance (in percentage). Conversely, teams like Florida, Phoenix, and Atlanta have struggled. Hockey can be viable in the south, though it isn't always.
But there was a reason teams left Winnipeg and Hartford. These were extremely small markets with no corporate support. These teams were bleeding money, and though things may be different today, it's certainly no gaurantee.
Do you really think the refs care about what Bettman wants? I just don't buy that the refs want to see Phoenix win and Detroit lose. If Phoenix wins, it wasn't because Bettman made a phone call or sent emails to the refs urging them to consider the importance of having southern hockey markets. Just because events transpired that are beneficial to the marketting of the NHL doesn't mean the NHL is scripting it, even at a low level. Instead, I think they're just capitalizing on it like any smart organization would.
Also, Mike Emrick's voice just makes me angry.
against the wings.
How many damn PP are the Yotes gonna get!? Geez.
shit is unbelievable ...