OT - MiG-23 Ejection at the Thunder Over Michigan Airshow 13 August

Submitted by Navy Wolverine on August 14th, 2023 at 8:48 AM

A very close call yesterday as a MiG-23 that was performing at the Thunder Over Michigan airshow had to eject. Both the pilot and passenger ejected safely. The jet crashed next to an apartment complex in Belleville but nobody on the ground was hurt. For those that don't know, the MiG-23 'Flogger' is a cold war era Soviet fighter jet known for it's high speed and turn radius about the size of Florida.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/thunder-over-michigan-plane-crash-what-we-know-about-jet-and-status-of-pilots

Wolverheel

August 14th, 2023 at 10:26 PM ^

I can't really place why, but I struggle to even watch the videos knowing how absurdly lucky it is that people on the ground weren't killed. I cannot believe a thing that big, going that fast, into that populated of an area missed everything besides a few cars. 

Navy Wolverine

August 14th, 2023 at 9:07 AM ^

The Soviet era jets weren't known for their reliability but the MiG-23 has been out of service for so long it's difficult to correlate this to the quality of current day Russian aircraft. These aircraft are about as old as our F-4s. Who knows what kind of maintenance program and access to parts the aircraft owner has. If you watch the Blanolirio video, he explains that these old warbirds that fly at airshows have their own special experimental aircraft category. 

PopeLando

August 14th, 2023 at 9:45 AM ^

I don’t think so. The MiG-23 was pretty poorly designed, and fell out of active service a long time ago.

Among the limitations of this fighter:

- fuel tanks tend to suffer structural failure

- massive acceleration with an under-engineered airframe = pervasive stress fracturing 

- Russian engine companies designed their airplane engines to only last 150 hours before FULL replacement was required

- basic maneuvers could bend the engine shaft, which turns the turbines into shrapnel

- it was a massively unstable aircraft. Any high angle of attack and the pilot was likely to lose control. 

- takeoffs and landings on this were particularly dangerous, because of the tendency of the engines to suck in debris…and then BECOME debris

Soviet “third gen” fighters were obsolete they day they came off the assembly line.

AWAS

August 14th, 2023 at 10:06 AM ^

Good to see and very fortunate that no one was seriously hurt.  

I appreciate the dedication of those who keep these old planes flying so we can see the evolution of flight.  

Blumami

August 14th, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^

‘Good to see and very fortunate that no one was seriously hurt.’

Serious question, to which I honestly don’t know the answer but doesn’t the pilot have some sort of legal, if not moral obligation to safely ditch the plane? (I’m reminded of a scene central to the story in Pat Conroy’s The Great Santini)

ShadowStorm33

August 14th, 2023 at 12:09 PM ^

I was wondering this too. No offense to the pilots, but my first concern when I read the headline wasn't "did the pilots make it out ok", but rather "was anyone on the ground hurt by the crash." 

I don't know the specifics, here or in general. Do pilots typically try to steer to an open area before ejecting? And maybe they did here, although "narrowly missed apartment building" doesn't sound like it. But it seems like the standard needs to be that the pilots should be required to do everything they can to aim for an open area before ejecting, and if that means going down with the ship, so be it. The (hypothetical) concept of them being able to eject while an apartment complex gets taken out seems totally backwards...

Don

August 14th, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^

I was considering attending the Sunday show but was put off by the cost of admission. Earlier in the week it was $129 per car, and since I didn't have anybody to go with I'd have to foot the bill myself.

On Friday I was wavering, and thought maybe I'd fork over the $$ anyhow, but then saw that the marketing geniuses at Yankee were employing "dynamic pricing"—as the number of available tickets decreased, their price escalated to the point that admission was now $199 per car.

I love air shows, but I can think of lots of other things to spend $200 on that will give me many more hours of value than an afternoon watching planes take off, fly overhead, and land.

543Church

August 14th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^

I went with my son on Saturday.  For $100/ person it was a better deal than a UM football game and we were allowed to bring our own food in.  Had a very good time.   

The Mig23 was kind of boring, but luckily they finished with an F22 demo.  I guess the MIG pilot decided to one-up the F22 pilot on Sunday.

Kapitan Howard

August 14th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^

I went to Ypsi from Belleville yesterday afternoon and the number of looky-loos on the service drive north of I-94 was staggering. I get that it's really interesting, but it seems more than a little obnoxious to stop your car for the chance to see some flaming wreckage from across the interstate.