OT-ish: G5 Realignment

Submitted by MgoFunk on October 18th, 2021 at 8:24 PM

Looks like the AAC is taking tv markets over strongest athletics.  Taking applications from UTSA, UAB, Rice, Charlotte, FAU, and…North Texas.  Leaving: WKU (my hometown team), Marshal(?!), MTSU (some recent down years), and La Tech.  As well as liberty and James Madison.

I don’t know that for group of 5 you want markets over sos, thoughts?

MaizeBlueA2

October 18th, 2021 at 8:34 PM ^

Markets if the rest of your league is going to pull the markets up.

You also need markets because you lost some of your bigger markets.

Last, they're playing the long game that one of the "markets" blows up like UCF did.

If Charlotte or North Texas have a "dominant" stretch, they're going to be the new UCF and Cincinnati. Won't happen in the short-term, but those schools have the potential to be something relatively major.

Michfan777

October 18th, 2021 at 8:35 PM ^

UTSA football having its best week ever.

  • Sitting at 7-0 for the first time.
  • Ranked in the AP poll for the first time.
  • Upgrading conferences to the AAC.

So happy to see them succeed.

smwilliams

October 18th, 2021 at 9:14 PM ^

The AAC is already in Dallas so I’d say North Texas probably is out. 
 

UTSA, Charlotte, UAB, and FAU are my picks. Rice just doesn’t care enough about football. 

BlueMk1690

October 18th, 2021 at 9:44 PM ^

I like how people think an AAC record should give people access to the playoffs when that conference is looking to resemble a mix of the pre-realignment CUSA and Sun Belt.

NittanyFan

October 18th, 2021 at 9:58 PM ^

Hmmmmm.  A lot to digest here.  I always like talking about "conference realignment." 

I'm not big on this idea of chasing after markets.  That's what C-USA did, focusing on markets vs. program strength, while the Sun Belt generally did the opposite.  And now the Sun Belt has become the better conference of the two.

Yes, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston were successes for the AAC, teams in markets.  But looking more closely at them, they did have some unique circumstances:

  • Orlando was an underserved market (only 1 pro-sports team), there was an opportunity there.  I think that's a reason they've succeeded whereas USF in Tampa languishes.
  • Houston is absolutely huge.  Top 5 MSA in America.  Chasing markets means more when it's a market THIS big.
  • Cincinnati benefitted from being the clear #2 University in a big state with a lot of talent.  As discussed here before, the city of Cincinnati has a bit of an anti-OSU tilt, which helps the Bearcats.

Looking more specifically at the 6 schools the AAC is supposedly targeting:

  • FAU --- I mean, they're more popular in the Miami/FLL market than FIU.  But that's it!  Seriously, they rank about 10th in the market.
  • Charlotte --- They'll forever rank behind the NC ACC 4, Clemson, and the 2 pro sports teams.  Tough for them to break through.
  • North Texas --- Huge market and technically in the Metroplex but Denton is closer to the Oklahoma border than Downtown Dallas.  This isn't like Houston where the campus is actually in Houston.
  • Rice --- SMU, Tulane and Tulsa will like this add, it's a peer school.  Navy likes it too because it further increases Texas exposure.  But Rice does have an athletic cap, they're simply never going to really have high resonance in Houston as a whole.
  • UAB --- 3rd place in the state but it's a football-crazy state and I do think this is a good add.  New stadium.  A bit under-rated as an academic school: they won't be in the AAU any time soon but their medical school and medical research will be looked on favorably by other AAC Presidents.  In the long-run, they actually benefitted from Tuscaloosa trying to torpedo the program back in 2014.
  • UTSA --- Definitely a good add.

I guess if it was me, I'd add UAB and UTSA --- then add Rice too if it would keep a number of the other AAC schools happy.   I'm not high at all on the other 3.

Solecismic

October 19th, 2021 at 7:42 AM ^

Not sure why they didn't go to 12 rather than 14. Even with the large markets added, there's a cost to diluting the potential for existing rivalries.

I don't see all three of the MAC/Conference USA/Sun Belt surviving, though the MAC seems quite stable with more of a long-term connection between the schools.

Though what we haven't seen is a long-term reckoning over the COVID situation and other changes in the academic world (a huge drop, nationally, in total student numbers over the last decade or so). Will schools start dropping varsity sports at some point soon? There are some schools, like Akron, that are in very serious financial trouble. They dropped three sports, fired about 100 professors and another 100 full-time staffers last year.

Akron studied this issue with an eye toward dropping football, and their conclusion was that it couldn't be considered based on the costs of leaving the conference (MAC schools must field a football team, by rule).

This is interesting reading: https://www.uakron.edu/president/docs/athletics-review-working-group-recommendations.pdf

It shows how athletics are funded in the MAC. When you see how this all works, the bigger picture comes into better focus.

 

jwk899

October 19th, 2021 at 8:19 AM ^

Curious that they wouldn't have pursued Old Dominion.  They're in a Top 40 market (1.8 million people) and in an area that has no professional teams (one of the most populated areas in the country without one) and have no FBS schools to compete with.   The football program is still relatively new and the men's and women's basketball programs have at times been quite successful.

Tshimanga

October 19th, 2021 at 1:58 PM ^

That's a huge stretch insinuating that the residents of Hampton Roads / Tidewater area care about Old Dominion. I've never lived there but have spent a lot of time in and around the area , I could be wrong but I don't think too many people view Old Dominion as the team of 'southern Virginia'. 

Plus that area is full of military transplants and it's one of the most spread out 'metro' areas in the country. 

jwk899

October 19th, 2021 at 6:12 PM ^

I've lived here for 12 years and there's a decent following.  Yes it's a transient area because of the military but all 2 million residents aren't from other areas.  Old Dominion consistently sells out games and they've recently had to expand the (small) stadium due to demand.  

MH20

October 19th, 2021 at 8:28 AM ^

As well as liberty and James Madison.

James Madison is an FCS program and I don't recall hearing that they would be moving up to FBS. That would pretty much exclude their inclusion. As for Liberty, despite their success on the field, I don't think any conference invites will be forthcoming for the foreseeable future.

lhglrkwg

October 19th, 2021 at 11:04 AM ^

I was just trying to figure out if I missed JMU moving up. I guess I'm not crazy

I guess I don't get why Liberty is so anathema to the other smaller leagues in the south and southeast. Like I get why nationally they aren't popular, but I don't see why a bible belt conference wouldn't invite them

MgoFunk

October 19th, 2021 at 12:13 PM ^

True about James Madison.  They are a strong program though, I didn’t think Georgia State would have much success and they’ve held their own.  Liberty…I haven’t looked to see what the hang up is other than Hugh Freeze, I just know they came in swinging last year and haven’t looked bad.

Since the perceived lack of sos is what holds most g5 schools back in the rankings I, personally, would grab the strongest athletic programs.  It appears the AAC is trying to change the g5 perception by becoming more visible.

cincygoblue

October 19th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

Not much to add except that I had a buddy that went to Marshall and have been to two games their. Really great time in Huntington. They feel like a MAC school.