August 9th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^
Just long enough to spread the shit around a bit more, and negate any potential progress we have made. Lather, rinse, repeat for the next year. I hate these dumb fucking people more than anything.
Everyone; VOTE
August 9th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
If this happens, I hope all the sports networks rerun games on Saturdays. Even though we know outcomes, fall Saturdays without any football will feel very wrong. I can delude myself at least for a little while. They could come up with themes, like a day of games that decided conference championships or games with QB's that went on to play in the NFL, or whatever. I know that a lot of people on this board go to the games but there are just as many of us who watch on TV.
August 9th, 2020 at 11:52 AM ^
My sources are telling me that there will be an announcement in one week about how the league will proceed with things. During that announcement, we will be told that a week from then, another announcement will be made around further defining the first announcement. A final announcement will be made at the end of the month deciding if another announcement needs to be made about canceling the season.
August 9th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^
link?
August 9th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
I honestly thought this thread was going to be camp news.
Like how Charbonnet is faster, which should make him RB#1 with no OR.
Or how Milton and McCaffrey seem to be deadlocked right now.
Heard Erick All is the clear #2 TE over Schoonmaker.
Or how people are saying Paye/Hutchinson could be better and have a better year than Winovich/Gary.
It sucks that we're probably not going to play...I actually think this team could make the CFP depending in the McCaffrey/Milton situation. I honestly believe everything else (except CB) is in place to be as good or better than last year.
Unfortunately the QB is the #1 thing that separates you from all of the other teams who recruit at a high level.
August 9th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^
Just a thought, but maybe we should just wait to see what happens in the next week or so.
August 9th, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^
You are D1 Athletic Director material, sir.
August 9th, 2020 at 12:54 PM ^
Well, at least Michigan won't lose to Ohio State this year.
August 9th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
I'm far more concerned with basketball than spring football which has so many issues- weather, scheduling, two seasons of full contact in a 9 month period, that I think it is a pipe dream.
Basketball would seem to be in real jeopardy as well.
Not sure waiting to the fall will be that much better. Waiting on a "silver bullet" vaccine is fools gold.
Understand cancellation of fall football. Do NOT understand wish for spring football. How many games in one calendar year will players be expected to play? Composition of teams will not be the same as expected this fall. Any one eligible will be training for the draft.
Geez—This disease has a 99.8% survival rate. For a college-age athlete the risk is essentially zero. There is a safe and effective treatment.
This world has gone mad.
“Researchers say new studies and anecdotal reports suggest kids are more vulnerable to the virus than initially suspected“
So MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, MLS, high school football, PGA, LPGA, NASCAR, WNBA, UFC, horse racing, F1, Indy 500 & tennis can all play, but college football can’t figure this out? That's a shame. Is the risk from Covid really that great to college athletes especially when compared to car accidents, seasonal flu, alcohol on campus or injuries from playing football? Is there really evidence to suggest that college athletes will be safer from Covid away from their programs either on campus or off campus? College athletes are regularly tested and can receive immediate treatment from highly trained medical staff before they may even know there is an issue.
Cancelling college football will be catastrophic for college athletic departments. If there is no college football then it sure seems unlikely there will be college basketball considering basketball is played indoor during winter months vs. football being played outdoors in warmer weather. That means no march madness for the second straight year and then you are looking at almost 18 months of no revenue producing sports. How can universities continue to provide athletic scholarships in this scenario? How can they pay the salaries of the coaches and those working in the athletic departments? How many non-revenue sports will be cancelled? How many people will lose their jobs? Probably many. This cure seems far worse than the disease.
Let's get a couple of things straight. The data does not support that C-19 has the morbidity and mortality that justifies the constant stream of "dire consequences" from the press and even from otherwise reliable public health spokespersons. And that doesn't make and difference anyway.
Some facts: The relative risk of C-19 is stratified. If you are 80 and get the virus, your risk of death is relatively high (read up on the definitions of absolute and relative risk - somewhere in the neighborhood of 25%). If you are under 55 (+/- a few years given the source), your relative risk of serious illness (means you get hospitalized) is also low .... it probably runs in the neighborhood of 4-5%, again, depending on who's doing the number crunching.
I've seen data with a range of 3-10% in this age group and that is serious C-19 illness requiring hospitalization, not death. Risk of death across age groups under 55 can be described by Case Fatality Rate (CFR), better by Infection fatality rate (IFR). Right now CFR across all age groups is thought to be between 2-3%, IFR between 0.5 and 0.8%. It's even lower for healthy under 55s but I've not seen that fleshed out.....probably < 2% but that's a guess.
C-19 accounts for about 9% of total US all-cause excess deaths across all age groups again skewed to the over 80 cohort. Cancer and Cardiovascular disease accounts for 46% of all deaths in the US. That's like saying those two diseases cause 4X more deaths than the excess deaths assigned to C-19. Perspective.
The CDC reports that in the age group 15-24 years old that group accounts for 0.2% of all deaths with COVID. I used some other data to calculate what the absolute risk of a person in this age cohort of getting hospitalized is. Caveat: it is going to vary by region and degree of community spread. It's probably about 2% ..... this is the same risk of getting a serious injury requiring you to go to a hospital for treatment/admission that a person in that age group has of being seriously injured through normal activities of daily living. Perspective. Are we over-reacting?
Now, you may like the math, even some decision makers understand the math. Makes no difference to whether or not college football is going to be played, schools will re-open or under 55s can go back to work in their office spaces. Based on factual data, life and economic activity can return to as normal as is possible in the pandemic circumstance - with handwashing, masking and distancing still required. But it won't. That is because, as has been pointed out here, this thing has gotten political, people are unjustifiably scared and acting irrationally ..... much to the detriment of sound decision making on mitigation measures. Fear, the PR and political risks of a C-19 outbreak in any of the places that you can name that have become flashpoints for reopening are over-riding critical thought that involves typical risk-benefit calculations.
IOW, what is the Public Health (PH) benefit of curtailing generalizeable or specific venue mobility and economic activity given the social and economic costs that entails? I've seen some of these calculations and most of them conclude that PH benefits of stringent mitigation measures to date are small compared to the prodigious social and economic costs of these measures. Even in practical, observable terms, it appears to be pretty obvious how badly certain sectors of the economy - travel and leisure for example - small businesses, gig and low skill workers are doing as new C-19 cases, once snuffed out, return with a vengeance. Rinse, wash, repeat .... See Melbourne Australia. That's not working, folks.... unless you live in North Korea or China where long, brutally enforced government lockdowns where apartment doors in Wuhan Province were rumored to be welded shut.
The virus isn't going away and that is with or without a vaccine and there will be other viruses coming our way down the road. The lesson to be learned from the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is that you must learn to manage outcomes instead of trying to control or eradicate viruses to which there is zero human immunity. The world has already gotten a lot better at that on several different levels. The speed of vaccine development and getting it to scale is unprecedented.
Unfortunately, here in the US, piss-poor planning, muzzling of the experts within the CDC and nasty politics has destroyed rational thinking about COVID. OTH it is still present, if not getting drowned out by a hysterical press, ambiguous and often contradictory messaging and a lack of strong leadership. Vaccines will help but not excuse the malfeasance. The US economy and social fabric are recoverable because of who we are as a nation. Of that I am confident. But the costs will be high and higher still if we don't start critically thinking.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:33 AM ^
Thank you for common sense data. Ive dealt with sick and dying people as a pastor of a church for 33 years. There are more elderly passing from pneumonia and other causes but citizen's are freaked out. Over 5000 died in Maine since feb. and 130 from covid.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:15 AM ^
High School ball is on in my State along with attendance and will include my happy eyes.