This does not have anything to do with the scandal so don't worry. As far as our B1G title hopes go, will it help us if Nebraska wins this game? I know it's a long shot for us to get to the title game, but I tend to have that "anything is possible" mentality.
Nebraska v. PSU. Who to root for?
It would help is if Penn State wins the game so I'll be rooting for them.
how? Nebraska has 2 conference losses already, and we still play them...it doesn't make a difference for us if they go 5-3 or 4-4 in conference. And if they beat us, our (already small) chances at winning the division are completely gone anyways
Yep. Enjoy the circus. This game does not matter to us at all.
While this game might mean little to us directly it means a lot to our fanbase and they don't know it. If Penn State loses this game...Ohio is prime shape to make it to the B1G Championship. Seriously.
Picture this: PSU loses this week and then gets beat next week by Ohio. Ohio holds the Wisky and PSU tie breaker going into the The Game....it pisses me off that this is even plausible after how bad they looked at the beginning of the season and the fact that they throw the ball all of 10 times a game.
Woody and Bo would love Ohio State's offense.
From the "things you wouldn't have heard me say--let alone think--in 2005 department ": I wish our current gameplan only involved 10 passes a game.
Denard's Legs uber alles.
Who has a better chance of beating MSU?
I'd be down with Iowa-PSU, but that's not happening.
After reading the boards on PSU sites, they can all rot in hell.
I will root against the Pedophile State U as long as I live.
I agree with your take on the situation but ixnay onay the pedophiliay
Chris Grovich (Black Shoe Diaries) has done a great job explaining to the yahoos that they are in fact yahoos. I wouldn't write off the entire school.
Chris is the ONLY voice of reason on that site! Have you seen the board turn on Chris whenever he says anything remotely critical of Paterno? The hatred and vile things that that board is producing is insane.
No wonder the Paterno and administrators thought they can get away with hiding a pedophile. These so called fans will support them no matter what shame they bring to the institution.
Pathetic. How anyone can root for PSU with all this is beyond me.
The thread where they openly cheered the rioting after Joe Pa was fired was particularly disgusting. I'd hoped they're the lunatic fringe until the last couple days, but I'm more and more convinced that they represent the prevailing mindset in Happy Valley.
Actually I found their blogs a hell of a lot more mature than the OSU and MSU fans, with intelligent discussion, no swearing, and no "yes but he wins" type talk. What a refreshing change from "we own you " ," I did your mom" ,"Hoke sucks my d___", etc.
are on par with the chances that the NBA lockout will end within the next week. It's not going to happen. I want Nebraska to win so that when we beat them, it looks better for us.
penn state helps, but its such a long shot now for us to get in its not really worth thinking about.
Best case for us now is to win out, and hope to look good doing it and go to a BCS at Large. which isn't semi likely possible
Being that Nebraska is in our division and PSU is in the other division, PSU winning would be what you would want to root for regarding our chances. However, MSU would have to lose 2 games and us win out for us to go to the BTCG...
...and Iowa would need to lose another game if I'm not mistaken.
I want the game next week to be 2 top 25 teams.
That's why I will be rooting for Nebraska. Our win vs. them needs to be as impressive as possible.
For all you people saying the CCG is such a long shot, what makes you think MSU won't lose to Iowa and NW? Crazier things have happened, and they suck on the road. I think they lose this weekend and play a close one in Evanston. NW seems to be a better team than when we played them.
Exactly. No one would have predicted NW beating Nebraska in Lincoln.
What is the scenario if they lose to Iowa and NW?
If they lose those two games, and assuming they beat Indiana, they would finish the regular season 8-4, with a 5-3 B1G record. If that happens, we absolutely MUST win out to win the division championship. We have to have a better conference record than MSU to win the division, since they would win a tiebreaker with us.
And don't forget Iowa is lurking there. No one *expects* them to win out, but if they do, it doesn't matter who we beat, they'll win it.
Very strange little world, these division races...
Good point. Their fate is in their hands just as much as our fate is in our hands.
Not really, their fate is much more in their hands than our fate is in ours. All they have to do is win out, and we aren't guaranteed a spot if we win out.
I'll root for Nebraska, just because they curbstomped ThugU
Nebraska. I cannot root for Penn State under any circumstances right now. For me anyways all "you just can't blame the players" nonsense went out the window when the fans held a protest in favor of people who protect child molesters.
So go Big Red!
Wait why can we blame the players for child rape again?
coaches. You remember....the leaders of the players? I'm rooting against them.
That makes sense.... doesn't have anything to do with your first post but ok.
Neither Joe or McQueary are going to be on the sidelines so what coaches are you specifically rooting against?
I am rooting against the entire program, not specific coaches. I find it beyond believable that Sandusky's behavior went unnoticed by those around him. Yesterday Barry Switzer (yes that Barry Switzer) made what I thought was an interesting observation. He said coaches are a VERY close knit community and there was no way in Hell that Sandusky could do the things he did without others being aware (I'm paraphrasing). Which means that many coaches on that team had to see and notice "odd" behavior between Sandusky and young boys (like taking them to Bowl games and staying in the same room for example) and nobody spoke up.
So am I being "unfair" to the players? Maybe - but they are playing the game tomorrow "for Joe" so they obviously do not share my outrage at what happened to the children. For that reason I alone I will root against them. Tomorrow and every game they play in for a long, long time.
You find it beyond believable? Why would they not have been summoned to go before the Grand Jury then? Blindly spewing blame doesn't make it true. Until I see evidence of what your claiming like we have with Joe and McQueary and the higher ups in the AD you've got nothing.
There's no quotes here, you are being unfair to players that came to campus more than a decade after this pervert was on the sidelines. The justice you're looking for is in the coutroom not the football field. You're no better than those students in State College protesting at this point.
Here's the quote from Switzer. I guess he's no better than the students protesting too - I mean what the hell does HE know about a coaching community?
And you are COMPLETELY missing my point. When the students and the players say they are protesting/playing the game "for Joe" they lose the "you can't blame us" protective mantle as they are taking side themselves. And I disagree strongly with their side.
You mean the coach that spent his entire career with the reputation as being one of the dirtiest coaches ever? That's the opinion you're going to use?
I give up. I'm guessing you guys are still students and not fathers yet so in some ways we are speaking a vastly different language. If you truly believe that Sandusky's behavior was honestly unknown by Paterno and the rest of the coaching staff for the past 17 years (it started in 1994 or sooner) there is nothing I can or anyone else can say that will convince you otherwise. Let's be honest here - Switzer was speaking about a coaching community - something he knows far more about than either of us and yet you choose to reject it.
Let's watch the news developments over the next few weeks and see whose version of reality comes closer to the actual truth here. The old cynic (me) or the youthful humanitarians.
I have 2 children and 4 grandchildren. Deciding whether or not to root for the outcome of a football game has nothing to do with the adult criminals and all to do with the kids on the team who had nothing to do with it. And if you don't like that they want to still play for Joe then maybe you better remember that they are students and don't have the perspective that adults might have.
Ok you've got me beat by 8 years so I will defer to the wisdom of my elders.
Seriously though this situation reminds me in some ways of a Michigan home game several years ago in the Carr era. The first half ended with some of the God-awfullest play calling Mike Debord ever dialed up and when the half ended me and about 85,000 of my closest friends boo'd like hell. Not at the players - at the COACHES and the screwed up playing calling. Yet at the end of the game in the Presser Carr was apalled that we boo'd the team as they were giving it their all and the home crowd should never boo the players. I screamed at my radio - "we were'nt booing the players ...we were booing YOU and your idiot OC."
In some ways I see the game tomorrow like that. I realize the players are "collateral damage" if you will but I can see no possible way to cheer for a program and a coaching staff that allowed what allegedly happen to happen.
One last comment before I get off the board for today. How did the players know who the fans were booing? Were they yelling "boo coaches!!!" or were they just booing.
i cant speak for anyone but myself but I was just booing. And it wasnt the players who were complaining...it was Carr. He obviously thought the fans were booing the players and not the stretch dive right.....stretch dive left....waggle incomplete punt play calling we were being treated to drive and freaking drive.
That's what the boos were for.
One last try. I never said I believe Joe and McQueary didn't know. I said they did because we have heard evidence to support it and I think they should be gone. If I hear evidence implicating other members of the staff I will absolutely proclaim their guilt and say that they should be gone as well. I just can't bear the idea of charging innocent people with child rape based on nothing but someone else's knowledge of what coaching is like.
No matter what development comes in the next few weeks I'll feel fine because I'm weighing the facts we have now to make a decision. I believe Penn State has to wipe the slate clean in order to begin rebuilding their program but I will not hold every coach fired as an accessory to child rape without SOME proof otherwise.
I do agree with that. I honestly don't think every coach is an accessory to this crime but I do believe some knew (or at least had doubts) but I do agree with you that you need proof on some level to do anything else in a court of law.
But it doesnt change my wanting to see them lose tomorrow. And the week after that and the week after that.......
About covering up widespread corruption in a program.
This isn't about coaching this is about child molestation. I don't think Barry Switzer knows shit about child molestation how about that?
Again the players have zero to do with this scandal, they are collateral damage their season and most of their college careers are already ruined by this. What would you like them to say? You're welcome to disagree with what they are saying, in fact I do as well, but to say now you can blame them is just plain stupid.
Two quick points though....
1. I dont' "blame" the students nor the players. I said they cant play the "you can't blame us" card when the protest in favor of something I oppose. Once they take a stand you can claim neutrality on the issue any longer.
2. While he may not be on the sidelines on Saturday McQuery is still very much on the Penn State coaching staff and is still drawing a paycheck from them so you can't act as if he's not part of the organization right now. And i very much am rooting against him. The path he chose in the locker room in 2002 and his turning a blind eye to Sandusky over the past 9 years makes my skin crawl.
Don't forget the interim coach on Saturday said he is completely in support of this great man JoePa and wishes he could be there. That whole coaching staff should be shitcanned just like JoePa. I honestly don't know how anyone on that athletic department can support JoePa. Best case scenario, JoePa told all of hid staff that sick fuck was banned from bringing children to the facilities and they just said ok and didn't think twice about it. Worst case he kept it from every one of them. Either way, JoePa and that coaching staff are a bunch of cowards
You mean the one coach who got fired? Doesn't matter anyway, would you hope for a kid to suffer for a mistake his parents made? We are all digusted by this, but the players had no part in it. If I had a son on the PSU football team, I'd be really pissed at how you keep lumping them up in this mess. Instead I'm just little annoyed.
I also want to Nebraska to win but not because I feel the PSU kids deserve to lose.
I cannot decide which way to go. Part of me wants PSU to win so that the players can enjoy something after such a sh-tty week. However, all the players are stating publicly that they are playing this game for Paterno, which I disagree with for various reasons. Also, part of me wants PSU to lose because I don't want the Athletic Department to enjoy anything right now. But then I feel bad because the players didn't do anything wrong.
Mostly, though, its a game I'm DVRing because its like a train wreck - can't look away but feel bad watching:
Just curious, what is the point in "sh-tty" thing? If you don't want to curse use "horrible" if you do want to curse, let fly. Think about it, would you have gotten in any less trouble as a kid if you're mom or teacher saw you took the "i" out and wrote "sh-tty"?
It's not "blaming the players" to hope the team loses. I'm indifferent to the players, but I want Penn State's fans to suffer.