NCAA delays decision on football / fall sports
A decision postponement for holding NCAA fall championships is likely a tipping point for season's ultimate viability. The first domino. .
This seems kind of like an SIAP situation. There was already a thread about the decision on "fall championships", although this MLive piece tries to spin it to be about "all fall sports"
Either way, I blame Sparty and rutger.
In related news... Keith Jackson has died.
(This topic has been up on the board since Friday night.)
I really hope the NCAA decision on fall sports doesnt affect the annual MGOBOARD camping trip.
....nor the MGOBOARD Annual Naked Mile Run.
As someone else has stated , first domino to fall , well , its going to get worse , these young kids/players cannot stay at home , or stay in a domne , the season WILL be cancelled in the next two weeks.
What is the measuring stick for normal operations? Seriously, what is it?
No one has defined what that looks like. they’re basically saying “nope, too many cases. Shut it down.” without defining what is an acceptable environment.
Is it zero cases? Then forget running any sports for several years.
Why does a team have to go into quarantine after a couple positive cases pop up and what does quarantine even mean/look like?
South Korea had 58 new cases and zero deaths yesterday. Maybe we focus on getting to something in that order of magnitude before throwing up our hands, saying it's impossible without a vaccine, and resigning ourselves to another couple hundred thousand deaths.
So a vague “like South Korea” standard. I get that we have a lot more cases. But where is the line? By failing to put a requirement then we’ve set ourselves up for never going back.
We have to stay like this until we reach Korea’s “something in that order of magnitude” level? Is it double digits/day? What is it?
my point is there is no defined standard. Not defining it is incompetent and lazy so they can avoid responsibility.
Zero cases on an active football team/staff seems like a reasonable number to me...
Something on the order of magnitude of South Korea would be ~350 cases/day for all of the US. Call it 500 or 1,000 if you want to be a little more lax. We're hovering at 60,000+ cases/day.
The right answer is definitively not "if you can't give me a specific number you're OK with, then we should do whatever we want."
I’m not saying we should do whatever we want either. I’m not asking you to define it. I’m saying that without a standard, which should be defined by the NCAA, they are abdicating their leadership. Someone needs to define it. Without the NCAA doing so, the conferences need to get together and just make one. Something, anything would be better than no idea at all.
Asking the NCAA to define a standard is like having the fox guarding the hen house. You need someone without a huge vested interest in the dollar side of the equation to make the decisions.
Speaking of standards, it seems that the B1G has no standard on player testing in terms of frequency and actions to take when players test positive. Assuming that is correct it is equally ridiculous.
"Zero cases on an active football team/staff seems like a reasonable number to me..."
It does? What happens when you can't reach that goal even without football being played? They're put on double secret probation?
Keep working on reducing the spread until you can keep the numbers at zero for the teams and staff. We screwed up our first go at this, it's looking like we'll need to take another, more serious crack at it.
I don't find potentially never playing football again to be a viable long term strategy.
...? That's why you get the situation under control.
If zero cases is your stated goal we may never get there.
According to worldometers.info, South Korea has conducted 30,000 tests per million. USA has done 161,000 tests per million. So the simple solution to be like South Korea would be to stop testing.
By the logic of "test, contact trace, mask" the South Koreans would have no fucking clue how many cases they have in that country because they are doing less than 1/5 of the testing USA is. But, you know, Orange Man Bad is all that matters.
You can do fewer tests with precise contact tracing. Even the more vigilant states are doing nothing close to SK's tracing methodology.
You were fine til you injected trump for no reason. There was a salient point to be made and you ruined it. We are testing way more, and it’s a valid point. We could then discuss how much of a factor that would have regarding our numbers vs South Korea. But you nuked your own argument With your last sentence because it implies that anyone who disagrees or counterpoints your statement is doing so because they hate trump. You shut down the debate with that statement, and you had a point that could be reasonably debated until then. I would’ve liked to discuss it, but you have made that impossible. I don’t subscribe to the all anti-trump all the time crowd either.
South Korea also has a test positivity rate of 00.9% but I guess you choose to ignore that.
That’s difficult to parse because we know, for certain, there are a lot of testing sites only reporting positives. We know this because in Florida on July 4th, 400 sites reported 100% positivity rates. That’s impossible. We don’t know how many tests they issued. Comparing positivity rate is problematic for that reason.
So compare it to any of the states that report reliable data then. Can't just dismiss it because Florida is a dumpster fire.
EDIT: after reading about the Florida sites this error should have been corrected already. Also one of the main test companies says the positivity there is ~20%.
The only thing delayed is your knowledge of Friday's announcement.
Cases can mean many different things, asymptomatic, no symptoms, moderate symptoms.according to the cdc cases have gone up and so has testing. April we were testing 1 million a week, now 5 million a week.
We are in a much different place then we were in march.we have several therapeutics that are reducing the severity of the symptoms. Reducing the severity of symptoms reduces long term side effects and hospitalizations.
Where you snowflakes in 2018/19 when we had 16,000,000 infected by influenza? And thats with a vaccine for the last 20 years.
Is 4 million infections really that bad for a new human-human corona virus without a vaccine?
You can easily identify, avoid, and treat someone with the flu.
Is 4 million infections really that bad for a new human-human corona virus without a vaccine?
I guess you'd have to ask the 147,000 dead Americans, Karen.
"Is it that bad?"
YES THE ANSWER IS YES.
We aren't even halfway through this outbreak (cases are still rising), and we're already greater than 10x the number of deaths than the entirety of the 2018/19 flu outbreak, and that's with numbers that are almost certainly below the true number given there are still unaccounted for excess deaths beyond the ones labeled by covid.
As to "is it bad for a new corona virus without a vaccine"? Of fucking course it is. When was the last global corona pandemic that caused 16.5 million cases (that we know of) and 650,000+ deaths in it's first 6-8 months? The first SARS was technically more deadly in terms of mortality rate, but it did not transmit/mutate as readily and humanity was able to get it under control before it spread far (there were 8098 cases reported globally. Total.)
The NCAA is abdicating their leadership. Honestly they should just declare the football season to be conference only, no national championships, only conference championships. Each conference chooses their own schedules and attendance plans. And tell bowl games they can choose to be on or off. Just make it final that the conferences have their way this year because the NCAA is showing apathy about its position.
Feels like they want the conferences to make the first move.
I am just amused that the NCAA's announcement was that, at this point, they have nothing to really announce. Admittedly, I've done this at work before, but in the regulated world, it actually is not a bad strategy, believe it or not.
Good to see you back here.
Delay , till you can't delay anymore.
