NCAA board of governors to decide today if fall championships will be canceled
Meeting will determine if all NCAA championship games in fall (meaning everything but the FBS "playoff") will be canceled. If yes, many college sports may simply cancel their fall seasons - also creating more pressure to cancel fall football. The optics of football playing despite all other sports closing for safety concerns would be less than ideal.
"May you live in interesting times."
They will attempt to play football. The PAC 12 schedule leaked yesterday. They were least likely and they are going to go.
As long as any power 5 conference is planning to play, the others have to follow suit with plans. No one can cancel their season now without risking losing their players.
The conferences will either announce a decision together or someone like the PAC-12 will cancel or move to spring after it's too late for their players to transfer.
Agree it is very much a prisoner dilemma here, but I look at it from the inverse logic. I think if 1 major conference cancels, they will all follow - even the SEC. The optics for a university willing to put the student/coaches at risk for big $ (this is not meant to be a comment about actual risk levels), if other conferences cancel, would look really bad to families, recruits, the general public.
I think if 1 major domino falls, they all fall. Right now, however, nobody wants to be the first to flinch here.
Given the greater academic emphasis of certain universities in respective conferences (Northwestern, Michigan, Stanford, Cal), I would think the B1G or the PAC would indeed be the first to cancel of the Power 5.
I really don't see how that would work. These conferences are all talking to each other about their plans for the season. If one cancels on their own, that means the others aren't willing to go along at that time. There's certainly no guarantee they would later either..
The PAC-12 was smart to push their season start back. They can see what happens if and when other conferences try to start on time. If just one conference isn't going to play, they seem by far the most likely and want to wait as long as possible before putting themselves in that position.
I think the most likely scenario is a joint statement from all Power-5 conferences to move the season to spring. The least likely is that one conference goes their own way to cancel the season,
I have my doubts they do anything to risk losing a football season and by football season I mean $$$$$$$$$
I'll truly know they have no business being in business if they cancel it. The mortality rate for young people getting covid19 is less than the flu. Just don't let those in their 70s on up come to the game.
It's reckless comments like yours that have us going in the wrong direction. The best way to protect those over 70 is for YOU to not come to the game.
Some people still don't get it, the spread of the virus has to be stopped because unless you do that it will infect vulnerable populations and kill thousands. School children, college athletes, or professional athletes will all pass the virus onto others if they get infected and those are the people who will die. The parents, neighbors, uncles, aunts, and grandparents of those infected will end up paying the ultimate price. You can't have 56 million school children in a bubble so they can go to school, you can't have college athletes in a bubble. Pro athletes is a little more realistic, but we'll see how that works out soon.
"the spread of the virus has to be stopped"
This is an unreachable goal. It shouldn't come as a surprise that people start tuning you out when you start by claiming you're going to accomplish the impossible.
"School children, college athletes, or professional athletes will all pass the virus onto others if they get infected and those are the people who will die."
That's going to happen with or without sports.
And yet, most of the civilized world has done so with NZ achieving 0 infection.
If everyone wore masks from the start we would not be having this discussion right now.
What's the point of responding with a blatant lie? Nowhere in the world other than NZ is even close to 0 and NZ, a sparsely populated island, had a new case yesterday.
Most of Europe and many Asian countries like Korea have low enough transmission rate so that businesses can open back up and their tracing system is keeping small flare up's in check. They have it under control so that not "everyone" has to get infected. Is that really hard to understand?
It's super easy to understand, you just moved the goalposts. Those countries have not stopped the spread.
I am not moving the goalpost. You stop the spread by reducing the R-rate to 1 or below. As long as you keep it below 1, it will eventually die out without infecting rest of the population. The other countries are now below R1 which means they have it under control and have stopped the spread to a point where the majority of the citizens will not contract it. Or are you saying you need to go from thousands of infections to zero in a day, which is in fact impossible, but I am not sure why any sane person would expect such a thing.
You are the one who is moving the goalpost as NZ did achieve zero infection, which you labelled as impossible. They have clearly shown that it is not. Or are you now going to move the goal post to say only of countries of certain size?
Slow and stop do not mean the same thing. New Zealand is one place, that in fact as we speak is not at zero cases, and can't be taken as proof that zero cases is a reasonable and attainable goal.
I do not believe you are trying to engage in a good faith discussion.
If New Zealand with all of its shops open, thousands gathering in sports stadium is not the goal, then yes, you are not engaging in a good faith discussion.
That doesn't in any way relate to anything I said other than mimicking me at the end.
What part of going back to normal do you not understand? Isn't that the goal? Stop the spread so that things can get back to normal? Or are you saying that the goal is to eradicate Coronavirus all together from the planet? Because that is impossible and frankly, does not matter and no one is even trying to do. NZ has zero cases. They have stopped the spread. Why is this controversial in your mind?
"What part of going back to normal do you not understand?"
This is the first time "going back to normal" has made an appearance in this discussion so I don't know how you would evaluate whether I would understand it or not.
"Isn't that the goal?"
I don't know, that's what I'm trying to ascertain. My original reply said only that I don't believe zero cases is a realistic goal for the US and that college athletes will transmit this virus to other people regardless of whether sports are played or not. Then you repeatedly changed the topic and tried to put words in my mouth.
"Why is this controversial in your mind?"
It isn't. I don't believe this is able to be replicated everywhere and not currently relevant to what is going on in the US. And again is only one place with multiple factors that cannot be controlled for.
Would you like to respond to anything I actually said this time? Or will you keep arguing with your imaginary friend?
If you just said, NZ did stop the virus but you are not sure how that can be replicated to rest of the world, that would have been a legitimate discussion. If your definition of "stop" means no one ever getting infected anywhere, which is what you are saying by NZ did not "stop" the virus, then there is nothing to discuss since that is impossible to achieve, and I will happily concede that point since no one cares about that right now. Just let rest of us talk about getting back to normal using masks and social distancing and somehow get to the point where NZ is right now as soon as we can.
That is what I said and I just said it again. Your inability to comprehend what I have written, while likely my fault, is not stopping you from continuing your discussion of the fantasy world you wished we lived in. Which was precisely my point all along.
Edit to add: "If your definition of "stop" means no one ever getting infected anywhere" You're the one who keeps bringing up NZ has 0 cases. Why are you doing that then?
Because NZ has 0 cases and it is not good enough for you. Because you are intellectually dishonest. You are setting the goal so high "no one ever gets infected anywhere" so that you can argue that we should just all give up and do nothing. Because "stopping" the virus is not what you want, you just want things to open back up no matter how many lives that costs.
You yet again brought up 0 cases despite just telling me no one is talking about that and I'm the one being intellectually dishonest?
Can you quote where I said we should just give up and do nothing? How about where I said I don't care about how many lives are lost?
You said stopping the virus is an unreachable goal. NZ had 0 new cases for awhile, which clearly shows that stopping the virus is certainly a reachable goal unless your definition of "stopping" means no virus ever again. If this is a goal, then you are telling everyone to give up and do nothing. I have been clear from beginning on what my definition of "stopping the virus" means. You keep changing your tune though. Why don't you tell me what "stopping the virus" means to you?
We seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the other is trying to say. Have a great Friday evening.
I just do not understand why people on the internet think they know what they are talking about or that they have somehow found something the entire scientific community has missed. It also blows my mind that you can just casually drop bullshit information like it is gospel and carry on with your day. I guarantee you that you have no idea what you are talking about. Your shitty google search and dumb Facebook memes are not a legit source. You want to ignore a mountain of evidence that is contrary to your position go for it. But gut instincts are not a substitute or replacement for facts. Facts are facts, sorry if you do not agree with them but it will not change the fact that you are wrong or worse misinformed and knowingly not care to change.
It's like everyone has forgotten how they have to have references and sources to backup and their arguments. I mean this is shit we supposedly learned about in elementary school and now all these dipshits are running around with a fake Google University degree in bullshiting.
The flu also sucks and is really contagious.
If there were an insane outbreak of a particularly nasty flu strain, they would absolutely shut down the petri dish known as "sports" to contain it.
That would be a great rule to post at stadium entrances:
"No entry for patrons 65 years and older. Present your approved identification papers to stadium officials for verification of personal information prior to entry."
Ticket taker: "Tickets and papers, please"
So what happens if a 66yo lady shows up at the door? You call DHS to have her escorted away because she doesn't have the right papers?
It's almost as though college sports weren't meant to be a business.
Or you let them come at their own peril. In tort law it's call "assumption of the risk." Just add a Covid waiver to the tickets similar to how baseball/hockey tickets claim the arena/team aren't responsible if you get it in the head with a ball/puck.
I don't think older people should be going anyways, but I don't think you should be able to stop someone with a ticket who wants to be there either.
Tell that to the mom of the perfectly healthy 13 year old that just passed away in CA.
Agree, but I don't think we need anecdotal evidence to support what clearly needs to be done now - and what should have been done months ago. It's quite simple - the virus has a much lower mortality rate when the curve is flattened and there is space in hospital to take care of those that get severely ill. The medical community also has a much better grasp of procedures (plasma) and the cocktail of medications that help to boost immunity to the virus, but we are running short on some of these as well in certain states (Remdesivor). The curve gets flattened when people are responsible, avoid large public gatherings, and cover their face when in close contact with others.
Trying to stratify society by age groups and risk cohorts is an exercise in futility, because despite what happens to the individual, this is about not overwhelming healthcare facilities, infrastructure, and access to PPE. Indeed, statistics suggest that very few on a % scale of healthy college athletes would get seriously ill if there were a college football season. However, how this spreads amongst their network of contacts, professors, admins, coaches, the campus if its open, etc is what is scary.
We are all connected and CFB will not be played in a bubble like the NBA - it's a complicated and difficult decision, especially with all the unknowns, including the effects on long-term health (even for young, healthy athletes) for those that contract the virus.
This betrays even the most fundamental understanding of how epidemics grow.
I think football will be a go. I was on a work related call and one of the U of M Regents indicated that while the season going looks like a good bet, the probability of fans in the stands is looking less likely. Or as they said, if you would have asked them two weeks ago, the possibility of fans then was much greater than it looks now.
If everyone is only playing conference games the FBS playoff picture is going to be a shitshow. And if there’s no B1G championship this year the season is really losing its luster quickly.
Even with a truncated season, I'd take the Natty and throw it in Sparty and BuckNuts' faces for all time.
Anyone drinking Natty shouldn't be trying to throw anything in someone's face. That stuff is awful! With such an awesome avatar, drink a better beer, dude!
Hahahahha!
I have a "funny" story about Natty but will save the blog the pain...but good call 1VaBlue1.
Important to note that this is just the NCAA Championships. This doesn't mean there will be no Michigan Volleyball (for example) this season, just that they are discussing cancelling the NCAAs.
If the NCAA does this--and I don't think they will yet, but you never know--I think it's somewhat likely that the Big Ten still has their seasons in the fall sports, but without non-conference games and without a national tournament at the end. The same for football: they might cancel the CFP, but that won't mean every conference cancels regular season football.
I actually hope there are no "playoffs". Just some kind of season for those involved, if we can somehow do it safely and not recklessly.
I really wouldn't mind UM/OSU being the last football game of the year.
There will be no championships and Michigan will go undefeated and would have made the playoff. Peak Michigan BPONE.
Social distancing and mask wearing works.
and this is the best take!
He's clearly sitting with close friends/family, with nobody else around. But please continue to be overly dramatic in your selfishness. It's a free country, maaannnn!!!
Then, why is the other guy wearing the mask? I am sorry, but Fauci is the face of the epidemic, he needs to set the standard. Wear the mask when in public, otherwise he is just another hypocrite.
I dunno... Why do people wear a mask when they're alone in a car, with the windows up? 'Setting the example' does not mean one has to ditch the employment of common sense... To my knowledge, he has never said one must wear a mask every minute of the day. But I'll allow that 'common sense' is different for different people, just like 'morality' can be defined differently by different people.
I've worn a mask in the car. Do it often in fact. It is because I just wore it to go grocery shopping and just forgot to take them off. I suspect many other do it as well. Mystery solved!
Fauci is not just another guy. He is the one who is telling everyone to wear the mask. He needs to set the example and wear it whenever he is in public, just to show the public that it is an easy thing to do, even when he does not necessarily need to since as you can see, the above pictures can be mis-leading. He needs to either step up or get out of the public picture.
I can't disagree with this...
Although I can wonder like hell how anyone could 'forget' about a mask impeding the free and easy breathing we've been used to all our lives! I'm just gonna have to call BS on that reason! LOL!!!
You do it often and long enough, you kinda forget that you have it on...
I get what everyone is saying about wearing masks. I really do. Here is what I don't get. I live in very rural SW Ohio in Brown County. Since this started in March we have had 76 cases total with 1 death. The one death was actually a snow bird who caught it and died in Florida but it somehow counts against our local numbers because they were a legal resident of our county. We haven't had a new case in the entire county in months, however, because people in Cincinnati, Columbus or Cleveland were not wearing masks or social distancing the governor passes a mandate that states if I go into my local convenience store without a mask I could be arrested even though there is virtually 0 percent chance that I will catch it where I live.
Because you never know when/who is infected. Unless you have put a blockade and no one is going in and out of your area, you never know when the infected person will be among you. Wearing a mask now and social distancing will ensure that your community will not end of up massive infections in the future. Seems like a small price to pay for that safety.