NCAA to be more lenient on OSU than SC?
Normally I wouldn't forward a link to a Drew sharp piece, or even read it, but in this case, in a piece for everyone's favorite paper, he argues that the NCAA will be more lenient on OSU than they were for SC, despite seemingly worse infractions. His reasoning? That SC stalled and equivocated, while OSU did the "we screwed up and are punishing ourselves and we're sorry" thing. Which is what the NCAA cares most about given their limited enforcement staff, and the need for schools to sort of be on a kind of honor system of self-policing. While it is true that SC definitely seemed arrogant in their response, I would doubt that given the unfolding story at OSU, and the potential for even greater things coming out, Tressel lying, etc, that this would be a determining factor for the NCAA.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110529/COL08/105290546/Drew-Sharp-NCAA-w…
Drew Sharp is a jackass
OSU's violations are worse then USC's by a long shot, there was never any proof that Caroll (sp?) knew what was going on, but there is clear cut proof that Tressel knew exactly what was going on and covered it up.
This is Drew Sharp to a fucking T http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog/2011/05/25/another-day-with-drew-sharp/
Im not going to bother reading his trash, but what argument does he make that OSU is punishing themselves??? Some contrived suspensions for the Tat 5 and a after the fact one for Tre$$el???
Give me a break!! Asshat Sharp at it again
In one respect, I agree with him, since USC basically gave the NCAA the finger and dared them to bring down the hammer. OSU has a reputation for self-reporting minor infractions (loads of 'em) that USC didn't have. That said, the sheer magnitude of the OSU violations, should all of this anecdotal stuff with the cars, etc. bear out, absolutely trumps that of USC and will be penalized accordingly. I think Drew Sharp just isn't smart enough to understand that though the NCAAs initial notice of infractions didn't include lack of institutional control, that can easily get slapped on there should supporting evidence be uncovered.
So far, all of the other "stuff" is largely unsubstantiated by the NCAA. None of it is in the Notice of Allegations, which means that, while it may come up during the hearing, it isn't the basis for the charges at hand.
If the NCAA were run by Inspector Kemp he might say, "I thingk, before we go around killing a marquis program, ve had better make DAMN SURE of our evidensh, undt ... Ve had better confeerm ze fect that Coach Tressel has, indeed, been vollowing in Pete Carroll's vootshtops!"
sharp's line of logic MIGHT fly IF ohio had fired tressel. but by keeping the coach and standing by his side, they are supporting his actions and behavior.
cant really claim the high road unless they were to clean house. hopefully their wrist-slap to tressel only serves to make things worse in the eyes of the ncaa.
Well, nothing. Flimsy counterpoiint article, nothing more. Essentially this garbage article states that if you try hard and lie, you will be forgiven. If you think about it may be a subconcious personal memoir by drew sharp.
The logic actually makes sense. USC did give the NCAA a serious f-you. However, Drew Sharp is a terrible, terrible sports writer who has written that he HATES SPORTS and OSU has been unequivocally supportive of its coach even as the coverup and scope of infractions become more apparent.
Just read that article on the Freep website. He is such a tool. How is there no similarities to the USC case, Drew? He's probably a closet Buckeye fan anyways.
The Drew Sharp article makes the assertion that OSU is self-reporting while not giving any examples. The fact is; OSU is actively spinning the known facts while reporting as little as possible. Here’s two examples of the school down south’s NOT reporting:
The primary violation is the coach lying on the compliance form. People forget that OSU’s internal “investigation” (whose purpose was to appeal the 5 game suspension of the tat-5) that discovered the old emails Tressel received and sent, was only reported AFTER the story was broken by Yahoo Sports. They had this, Yahoo reported it, THEN they “self-reported” it.
Currently they say they are going to look into the car issue AFTER the state’s motor vehicle department provides its findings. Why? They can investigate this just fine. They have the 50 transactions. Interview the players. The only reason to wait is that they want to tailor their findings to match the provable facts that come out.
* Lie about what is not public
* Admit and express remorse over what is already known
Not exactly the behavior that the NCAA should be incentivizing
about Tressel's coverup in January, and interviewedTressel about it in February, before the Yahoo news story came out. Tressel should be fired, but Yahoo didn't force OSU to self-report. OSU filed an initial self-report in January and conducted an investigation in conjunction with the NCAA prior to filing the formal self-report. Someone at the NCAA leaked it to Wetzel, and he pushed the report up a couple days.
I was worried when I read the title. Then you said it's what Drew Sharp wrote. Now I feel better, because Drew Sharp is an idiot and wrong more often than not.
And the plot thickens!
God, I'm really wrestling with this. Normally, as a matter of policy, I determine that the truth is always the opposite of what DS says it is. In this case, though, I'm torn.
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<br>Tressel is going down. That much we can assume. All coaches who violate that bylaw go down. But do the total proven offenses, beyond this incident, amount to a program run wild? Not yet. Not unless the NCAA can include the Clarett/Smith stuff, which I don't think it can (unfortunately). Right now it's Tressel (big) and tatts (not so big), plus a lot of smoke but no fire. That's not quite enough to merit monster sanctions.
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<br>But if there's more to come, well, all bets are off and OSU get screwed by an elephant and all is right in America. Perchance to dream.
Not a Sharp article...anything but that...
It remains to be seen how upfront and helpful OSU was with the investigation. A few people have been quoted that OSU cooperated so they could speed the investigation up so most of the dirt would remain hidden. Which is worse openly stonewalling or faking cooperation.
Sharp is actually making an interesting and probably valid point in his article. He's drawing the distinction between the responses of the two institutions to NCAA charges in terms of acceptance of responsibility, and not talking about how serious the charges are.
Admit your guilt to the NCAA, and you get a reduced sentence. Deny the charges and be proved wrong, and you get stiffer penalties.
This dovetails with thinking in the legal system that has been incorporated into sentencing guidelines since the 1980s - reduced sentencing in cases where the defendant is remorseful and accepts responsibility for the crime under sentencing guidelines.
Under the Federal sentencing guidelines that are employed in all criminal cases in an attempt to make sentencing uniform, "acceptance of responsibility" and "remorse" will reduce a sentence on average by 35% for the very same crime.
In the world of the NCAA, self-reporting and self-punishment are tantamount to "acceptance of responsibility," and predictably should reduce the penalties.
I'm not saying this is the right thing - it's just what is, and it's the approach Michigan took that essentially worked.
What Sharp didn't quite address is the "drip-drip-drip" of additional information, and the half-admissions, that will likely also have an impact as well.
Tell me how USC and Pete Carroll knowingly providing multi-million $ housing for Reggie Bush's janitor parents is worse than OSU players selling their own memoribilia?
Holy Toledo, you must be on drugs. And I thought UM fans hated Drew Sharp? I guess now yous guys and Drew are going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya?
We're not in lockstep behind the every word and whim of Drew Sharp. Moron.
It's not. The difference is your school knew about it, and the NCAA can't prove that USC did. That's why you're about to get hammered worse, even if the cash value of the items is significantly less.
usc didnt pay for housing. people not connected to the program did. you know,like the guys that paid ray isaac, troy smith, santonio holmes, antonio pittman, terelle pryor, etc, etc, etc
actually wait, some of those guys got paid by boosters, which is worse
not sure where you got "multi million," thats a gross exaggeration
I'm not about to read the article, but from hearing the comments it sounds like he thinks there are no parallels to USC. How is that the case?
USC- Star running back receives cash and a rent-free home for his parents (fifty miles off campus?). The NCAA declares that USC "knew or should have known" that this happened, and USC gets hammered for not knowing.
OSU- Five players (1.5-2 stars) are caught receiving cash for memorabilia, OSU claims no knowledge, suspends the five, and then later it's discovered that the person responsible for "creating and maintaining an atmosphere of compliance" who is also a major actor for the school, knew.
The NCAA should look at this as if OSU knew because, well, they did. Tressel, in his capacity as a front-line compliance officer, knew of impermissible benefits and lied about it. Truly, they deserve a hammer in a way that USC didn't.
The only reason that they did the whole "we are sorry" thing, was because they had been caught! How does that justify what they had done. Being the #1 team in the country and having a shot at the national title while knowing they had infractions but not saying anything until after they were caught at the end of the season when they were out of the picture?!?! How does that justify anything!!!!!????
Not gonna read a Sharp article but i think its important a distinction be made between Tressel and the AD/compliance. Tressel is screwed, there is no doubt. but i'm not so sure about "failure to monitor/maintain". The thing you have to realize is, the NCAA KNOWS that kids are going to sell memorabilia and get hookups on cars. This isnt their first rodeo. So they have rules that are SPECIFICALLY directed at these scenarios, even addressing stuff like loaner cars and dealer plates. And from everything I've read, Doug Archie and compliance did their due diligence in following these rules, even employing additional staff to deal with it. Contrast that with USC, which, if i recall correctly had one of the SMALLEST compliance departments in the country. The NCAA knows kids are going to do this stuff. As long as you take the prescribed actions, they are satisfied. And until new info comes out, it appears that they did that, whereas USC did not.
Just watch. OSU's attitude will probably save them from getting WORSE penalties than USC, but the alleged violations are also bigger. Expect something in the same range: a vacated 2010, a 2-3 year bowl ban and reduced scholarships to 15/year for 3 years.
If you believe the NCAA (which you probably shouldn't) that they are going to start getting tough on schools Ohio State right now is the time to do it because their violations merit it.
Ohio State regardless of good attitude has lied about or ignored so many violations while standing by the people who lazily enforced the rules and since the school is a repeat offender it's going to get crushed.
USC will also throw a fit if it doesn't.
I refuse to read the article.