Gr1mlock

April 8th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^

It actually hurts them.  Often small school coaches would attend these camps, or partner with the big schools to host them, and would get a chance to pitch to the recruits too.  Not everyone who went to a camp in Orlando could go to Michigan, but it might get them some attention from FIU, USF, Florida A&M and other local schools who might have missed them otherwise.  The only people this benefits is coaches in talent-rich areas who want to reduce the opportunities for local kids to get exposed to non-local coaches.  

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DMack

April 8th, 2016 at 5:57 PM ^

I hear your argument VOR but lets not forget there is an 85 player roster limit so whether those players come from Michigan,  Florida or somewhere in between, I can't see how wealthier schools gain an advantage. The advantage here is for schools like Michigan to be able to compete for the top players without them being in our backyard.

At the end of the day, once all the top schools fill their rosters with the best players, whats left over is what would have been left over for those schools who couldn't compete with the big dogs anyway. 

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VoiceOReason

April 8th, 2016 at 8:53 PM ^

Cool thank you all for the insights! Some more thoughts and questions.  

How much are football programs supposed to represent their own region? For example, I think the incoming classes have players from or near Michigan as the minority, which is a historical shift right? If regional bias is important, are satillite camps bad for this? 

It is a fact that smaller schools could not afford to do satillite camps on the same magnitude. I still wonder if there is some potential drawback to this. Or is this an inevitable result of competition? Is this something that could lead to monopolies? (Or are football monopolies even a bad thing?)

How about incentives instead of disincentives? For example, what if smaller programs were eligible for NCAA grants to host their own satillite camps? Or what if big schools down south were required to host camps in Michigan? Because that would be benficial to players in Michigan, right?

If all talent in the country were distributed equally, would we have this problem in the first place? Does this mean that the real solution is to improve Michigan/midwest football competition and opportunities in K-12? What if NCAA allowed satillite camps for 10 years while increasing funding for K-12 opportities? 

Is this analagous to how the Yankees can basically buy teams? College football can't buy players, but are satillite camps a form of this? 

Regardless, I'm glad Harbaugh is a mover and shaker. 

 

 

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ken725

April 8th, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^

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Perkis-Size Me

April 8th, 2016 at 3:39 PM ^

If these camps were in California the SEC wouldn't have given two flying fucks.

This is not about student athlete well-being and it never was. The SEC and NCAA are insulting our intelligence by saying it is. This is them complaining that Harbaugh legally found a way around their dumb rules and came into their recruiting grounds.

The NCAA is a fucking joke.



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ghostofhoke

April 8th, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^

Would a private combine be different than a "satellite camp"? What defines a satellite camp? Not a camp, not a clinic, a skill and athletic, recruiting evaluation day.



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Trublu62

April 8th, 2016 at 4:31 PM ^

Per 247 Sports, Saban told AL.com on Thursday, “The teams that have done them, what value does it serve? How many players did they get? They had some players commit to them and some of those players decommitted, and I know they even wanted to drop some of those players when they found out they could get better players."

What a douche.  Does anyone know if there is an official reason why the NCAA decided this needed to happen.  I've looked around and haven't found anything.

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kgh10

April 8th, 2016 at 4:57 PM ^

Ya Saban, it was so valueless that you and your fellow coaches lobbied to have them banned...

It was so valueless that Rashad Weaver obtained 7 additional power 5 offers after being offered by Michigan at the satellite camp and ended up at Pitt instead of playing FCS division football. 

Yeah...zero value to anyone.

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gwkrlghl

April 8th, 2016 at 5:09 PM ^

Because you can interpret that 1 of 2 ways:

  1. Must be regularly at existing facilities - if you interepreted it that way (to prohibit Harbaugh from starting a regular camp at a school) then you almost prohibit schools from opening new facilities
  2. Can start regularly at new facility - allows schools to open new facilities to practice at but also allows Harbaugh to say he is opening regular practices anywhere he wants

I imagine if we want to up the ante that this new bylaw will do next to nothing

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DMack

April 8th, 2016 at 5:38 PM ^

The language of this is very confusing, ambiguous and sloppy as written. One could read that since we have played/practiced at IMG, Prattville, U of Maryland, and the Orange Bowl etc.  we can continue to hold camps in those places. How regular is regular? 

Second, doesn't this ruling now allow the ACC and SEC to hold camps in other hotbed recruiting areas of the South that they were banned from before because they were outside of 50 miles????

I agree with an earlier poster. Lets ban together wirh Notre Dame, Ohio State, Baylor, Central Florida Penn State, high school programs, H.S. students who lack the resources to travel and other similarly situated person's to enjoin the NCAA ruling.

We should immediately file a class action lawsuit alleging the NCAA's sanctioning of an unfair advantage for the SEC and ACC schools (Anti Trust). Seek an injunction/temporay restraining order to stay the the NCAA's decision banning camps until a Federal Court has fully adjudicated the issues on their merits.  

WE ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT AND HISTORY.  Litigate this to the Supreme Court if need be and J. Harb is just the guy to lead this. He shines in the spotlight. Since this thing will take years CONTINUE HAVING CAMPS UNTIL THE COURTS DECIDE.

So because the fix is in with the good ol boys down south, did they really think we would just go away with our tails tucked between our legs. Let the NCAA convince a Judge!!!!     

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Squeezebox

April 8th, 2016 at 6:27 PM ^

and free nights in strip clubs. The NCAA botches the enquiry and gives a slap on the wrist to the school.
 
Louisville has stripper parties and more in freshman dorms and gives up 2 schollies.
 
McGary tests positive for marijuana and gets a year's probation.  The Auburn QB gets caught with some in his car and misses the first game of the season.
 
The Ole Miss players fall from their hotel windows after smoking dope and the NCAA looks the other way.
 
Syracuse and North Carolina under investigation for academic fraud. 
 
Maybe be Rashan Gary and his mom have some juicy details about SEC under the table recruiting tactics. 
 
Yeah, Emmerich sure has his priorities in order.
 
Mark Emmerich had his own academic scandals when he was AD at LSU.
 
And all Jim Delany cares about is his money making B1G TV network.
 
Might be time to open up the cupboard and let the skeletons fall where they may.

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Squeezebox

April 8th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^

Against satellite camps:   ACC, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12, MWC, Sun Belt
In favor:  B1G, AAC, C-USA, MAC
 
Just realized that the B1G is the only cold weather power 5 conference.  
 
No surprise how the voting turned out.

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Squeezebox

April 8th, 2016 at 6:58 PM ^

"The Division 1 Council has approved a rule that will require FBS football camps and clinics to be conducted on that school’s campus or in regularly used facilities."
 
EDIT:  Just realized that this ruling contadicts the NCAA 50 mile radius rule, that the SEC follows.  With the new rule, all schools are limited to on campus facilities.  Now we'll get to see which conference has the best law school.

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Heptarch

April 8th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^

Forgive me if this solution is too simplistic or ill-thought out, but is it completely crazy to think that the University of Michigan could afford to build official training facilities (i.e. that are technically part of the University of Michigan) in other states?

Call them something like "University of Michigan Athletic Outreach Program" and either sell time or donate time in the facility to local/state organizations whenever our football team is not using it.

That way it adheres to the letter of the NCAA rules and benefits the entire state/community it's built in.

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UMinSF

April 9th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^

I couldn't agree more, except it shouldn't just be for the football team. We have many sports and athletes that spend a big chunk of time down south during times of inclement weather in Michigan.

I'm actually surprised we haven't done this already. Build an athletic training center, complete with academic support/classrooms, lodging, the whole nine yards.

Hell, you could even take it a step further and build an actual UM mini-campus in Florida. Lots of schools have satellite campuses in other states (at least for some programs), and they've built whole big campuses in the Middle East.

I'm not sure what the implications would be re state funding and being a public university, but it's worth considering.

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UM Flint

UM Dearborn

UM Bradenton

Sounds good to me!

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ska4punkkid

April 9th, 2016 at 12:28 AM ^

The thing that almost annoys me the most about this is actually that half the media and even a lot of you reading this blog think that this is about our trip to IMG. This is about the SATELLITE CAMPS, where Harbaugh would travel with his staff around the country to teach, educate, and evaluate players in places like Alabama, Texas, Cali, etc. this is not about our spring break trip, although those types of trips will certainly be outlawed in the very near future as well.

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ska4punkkid

April 9th, 2016 at 12:28 AM ^

The thing that almost annoys me the most about this is actually that half the media and even a lot of you reading this blog think that this is about our trip to IMG. This is about the SATELLITE CAMPS, where Harbaugh would travel with his staff around the country to teach, educate, and evaluate players in places like Alabama, Texas, Cali, etc. this is not about our spring break trip, although those types of trips will certainly be outlawed in the very near future as well.

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