If you read the article, it explains that the "noose" was there in that particular garage since 2019 with photograph proof. Just last week was Bubba Wallace issued that same garage where that same noose was located.
I can't say one way or another that this is some sort of hate crime or an overreaction by bubba's team...
That being said, I'm sure the job could be done with a rope without a loop at the end. But if making a loop at the end makes it easier to grab, why wouldn't you do it the easier way? People make those at the end of ropes all the time, especially to open garage doors.
It just sounds like bad timing for Bubba to be put in that garage.
No one wants to argue with you if you feel guilty about something it’s ok to deal with it in your own time instead of signaling your virtue on the internet.
A noose would tighten under weight. Clearly, this rope did not tighten under weight or else it would just be a big not at the end. Also, if the rope was tied that way for many months, which photographs have shown to be the case, why would someone tie it that way waaayyy before anyone could have known that Bubba would be in that garage if it was meant to be a racist symbol?
It seems to me what you're trying to imply is that someone from 2019 tied that "noose" into the rope in that garage to be a threat or intimidation tactic for Bubba. This seems crazy to me. No way could anyone know back when they tied that knot that Bubba would ever be in that garage in his entire career.
Seems like you're grasping for something that just isn't there. I do feel bad for the driver. In this day and age, there is bound to be one or two triggered idots who might be willing to some stupid stunt like putting a noose in a black person's garage. This does not seem like one of those times though.
The media was giving interviews like 'who would do this sort of thing?!' Do I really need to point out how their coverage on this kind of stuff lacks any integrity and makes things 100X worse?
Yet a majority of people believed it enough that they demeaned those who questioned the story calling them conspiracy nuts etc...
Guilty until proven innocent again by our horiffic media.
I don't blame Bubba at all for any of this. That said racism in this country is nowhere near the major problem that many are trying to make everyone believe.
Because it's not a racist trigger if it's just a straight piece of rope. Or even if it's just a loop.
So obviously It's a racist conspiracy by the white Illuminati that have been planning for a year to have bubba put in that garage with the garage door pull tied into a noose. As a matter of fact they even planned the whole George Floyd thing so bubba would be put into that garage during a time when there was a lot of social unrest with the door pull tied into a noose.
I see on here all the time about logically and the easiest explanation being the most likely, but this is no time for logic.
Racial intimidation is no joke. That said, I can't recall a single highly publicized "noose incident" over the past five years or so that didn't turn out to be a misunderstanding.
I hope Bubba doesn't get flack for this. He never saw the rope in question and was not the one who reported it.
Yep. There's going to be A LOT of blowback on this one, but Bubba didn't see or report it.
And speaking of the blowback - maybe some of that can fall on the media. ESPN on Sunday Night ran with this story like crazy. They treated it on par with Munich 1972 or the OJ Chase. It was an important event, but they jumped to conclusions and didn't really ask questions.
The media hasn’t practiced much responsibility for a few years now in my opinion. Ive concluded its largely due to the major outlets with historical footings trying to keep up with the huff posts, and TMZs of the world. Not to mention the Twitter sphere and facebook where anyone with or without a semblance of credibility can make any claim that they want and if enough people become supportive it becomes a fact regardless of evidence.
Yep. So it sort of falls back on us to think about the critical questions (since the media is abdicating that responsibility).
I'll admit, I wasn't thinking about those questions Sunday night. Those questions here was "given NASCAR garages have very tight security and there is doubtless security video from there 365/24/7, shouldn't we see the video first before making the hate crime conclusion?"
I thought about the security video Sunday night, but I figured they had been using the garage for a few days in practice runs. I assumed this showed up somewhere between Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. I guess they don't do time trials and all that stuff now.
I'm a bit more upset with NASCAR than the media. Wouldn't one tug on the rope indicate why the rope was there?
Sadly he is getting flack for it and getting called "Jussie Smollett" because people are apparently too lazy to read or learn to facts of the situation
Bubba should catch flack for some of the bull shit he spewed here. Calling people simple minded for their comments about this incident. Seems to me he is simple minded about this.
So, some asshole made a noose out of a pull rope and left it there, likely as a joke, last year. Since then, numerous people have been in that garage and likely saw it, and no one threw it out.
This is almost worse as it suggests NASCAR is full of a number assholes who saw the noose and didn’t do shit
No. I have a 'noose' like that in my garage. Another way to think if it is as a handle. It's also common for garages to have these types of things as a pulley to move heavier equipment.
So you have the rope tied like a noose and not just a loop at the end of it? Look at the picture of the rope... that’s a noose not just a loop at the end of a rope
But it's not tied like a noose because if it were, as several posters have already pointed out, it would tighten the first time it was pulled, as a noose is built to do. Maybe it looks similar to a noose to you (because it's a loop) but that alone doesn't make it inappropriate, just functional.
I’ve never actually watched any nascar event, but I think it’s pretty cool that the industry stepped up to support Bubba even if they didn’t know the exact nature of the circumstances. Personally I look at that as the win in this situation. Douchey to call them all assholes.
we referred to them as the 'fumbling, bumbling idiots'. well trained, but with no street experience. that said, looks like the right call and pretty cool all those NASCAR teams pushing bubba's car to the start line the other day in solidarity.
I never like to get into controversial subjects on this board but I have noticed just scrolling through the first few comments people are making weird and very out of this world excuses for Wallace and his team. They obviously lied about this rope being a noose and should face some consequences. Also I know Bubba was not the one who found the rope but he still should’ve checked with his team about the rope before making a public announcement.
Did they lie? I hadnt read anything suggesting that. I do think it's strange that these people who live in a garage would be unfamiliar with this type of tool.
You're making some "very out of this world" accusations that they lied. I think the most likely situation is that the rope handle, which was tied with the same knot as a noose, was misinterpreted as a noose and reported as such
StrictlyShorts
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:52 PM ^
So how’s that noose just going to be laying around for ohhhh 10 months
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Larry Appleton
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:53 PM ^
It was a rope used to pull the garage door down.
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drjaws
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^
..... that was tied into a noose
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Teeba
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
This link has a photo of the “noose/garage pull” in question. Did you bother to look at it before commenting?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2020/06/23/bubba-wallace-noose-investigation-no-crime-talladega-superspeedway-nascar/
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StrictlyShorts
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:19 PM ^
Yeahhhhh that’s a noose. Couldn’t tie it any other way.... that’s not just a loop tied at the end of a rope. But ok....
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ColeIsCorky
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
If you read the article, it explains that the "noose" was there in that particular garage since 2019 with photograph proof. Just last week was Bubba Wallace issued that same garage where that same noose was located.
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iMBlue2
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:49 PM ^
You sound disappointed.
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Mike Damone
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:26 PM ^
Exactly. Reminds me of the guys on the Weather Channel when a hurricane swings north and misses the eastern seaboard.
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UM Fan from Sydney
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:52 PM ^
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Witz57
June 23rd, 2020 at 9:33 PM ^
A tiny noose for dolls or hands that want to more easily pull down garage doors.
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Khaleke The Freak
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^
Yea...a straight rope is no good, can’t grip it at all with one hand or two...
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Nothing Special
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^
I can't say one way or another that this is some sort of hate crime or an overreaction by bubba's team...
That being said, I'm sure the job could be done with a rope without a loop at the end. But if making a loop at the end makes it easier to grab, why wouldn't you do it the easier way? People make those at the end of ropes all the time, especially to open garage doors.
It just sounds like bad timing for Bubba to be put in that garage.
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StrictlyShorts
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:45 PM ^
Look at the loop. It’s not just a simple loop, it’s a noose.
change my mind.
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StrictlyShorts
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:46 PM ^
And why is this the only rope fashioned like this in alllllll of the garages, cmon...
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Mike Damone
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^
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iMBlue2
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:02 PM ^
No one wants to argue with you if you feel guilty about something it’s ok to deal with it in your own time instead of signaling your virtue on the internet.
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Nothing Special
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
A noose would tighten under weight. Clearly, this rope did not tighten under weight or else it would just be a big not at the end. Also, if the rope was tied that way for many months, which photographs have shown to be the case, why would someone tie it that way waaayyy before anyone could have known that Bubba would be in that garage if it was meant to be a racist symbol?
It seems to me what you're trying to imply is that someone from 2019 tied that "noose" into the rope in that garage to be a threat or intimidation tactic for Bubba. This seems crazy to me. No way could anyone know back when they tied that knot that Bubba would ever be in that garage in his entire career.
Seems like you're grasping for something that just isn't there. I do feel bad for the driver. In this day and age, there is bound to be one or two triggered idots who might be willing to some stupid stunt like putting a noose in a black person's garage. This does not seem like one of those times though.
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UM Fan from Sydney
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
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Biaka yomama
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^
Looks like Bubba didnt even see/report it. Just a giant media failure for which, again, there will be accountability or expectation for accuracy.
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lilpenny1316
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:23 PM ^
The media didn't report this to the FBI, NASCAR did. The media just reported what NASCAR reported.
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Biaka yomama
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:37 PM ^
The media was giving interviews like 'who would do this sort of thing?!' Do I really need to point out how their coverage on this kind of stuff lacks any integrity and makes things 100X worse?
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LV Sports Bettor
June 23rd, 2020 at 9:15 PM ^
Yet a majority of people believed it enough that they demeaned those who questioned the story calling them conspiracy nuts etc...
Guilty until proven innocent again by our horiffic media.
I don't blame Bubba at all for any of this. That said racism in this country is nowhere near the major problem that many are trying to make everyone believe.
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AlaskanYeti
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:48 PM ^
If the loop did not tighten under a load of weight, it was a handle, not a noose.
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teldar
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:18 PM ^
Because it's not a racist trigger if it's just a straight piece of rope. Or even if it's just a loop.
So obviously It's a racist conspiracy by the white Illuminati that have been planning for a year to have bubba put in that garage with the garage door pull tied into a noose. As a matter of fact they even planned the whole George Floyd thing so bubba would be put into that garage during a time when there was a lot of social unrest with the door pull tied into a noose.
I see on here all the time about logically and the easiest explanation being the most likely, but this is no time for logic.
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Larry Appleton
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:53 PM ^
Racial intimidation is no joke. That said, I can't recall a single highly publicized "noose incident" over the past five years or so that didn't turn out to be a misunderstanding.
I hope Bubba doesn't get flack for this. He never saw the rope in question and was not the one who reported it.
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AlaskanYeti
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:10 PM ^
And what was real, was NASCAR's and its communities' overwhelming support of Bubba Wallace. No question that he's a part of that family.
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NittanyFan
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
Yep. There's going to be A LOT of blowback on this one, but Bubba didn't see or report it.
And speaking of the blowback - maybe some of that can fall on the media. ESPN on Sunday Night ran with this story like crazy. They treated it on par with Munich 1972 or the OJ Chase. It was an important event, but they jumped to conclusions and didn't really ask questions.
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iMBlue2
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
The media hasn’t practiced much responsibility for a few years now in my opinion. Ive concluded its largely due to the major outlets with historical footings trying to keep up with the huff posts, and TMZs of the world. Not to mention the Twitter sphere and facebook where anyone with or without a semblance of credibility can make any claim that they want and if enough people become supportive it becomes a fact regardless of evidence.
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NittanyFan
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^
Yep. So it sort of falls back on us to think about the critical questions (since the media is abdicating that responsibility).
I'll admit, I wasn't thinking about those questions Sunday night. Those questions here was "given NASCAR garages have very tight security and there is doubtless security video from there 365/24/7, shouldn't we see the video first before making the hate crime conclusion?"
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lilpenny1316
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:41 PM ^
I thought about the security video Sunday night, but I figured they had been using the garage for a few days in practice runs. I assumed this showed up somewhere between Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. I guess they don't do time trials and all that stuff now.
I'm a bit more upset with NASCAR than the media. Wouldn't one tug on the rope indicate why the rope was there?
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njvictor
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:47 PM ^
Sadly he is getting flack for it and getting called "Jussie Smollett" because people are apparently too lazy to read or learn to facts of the situation
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UM Fan from Sydney
June 23rd, 2020 at 9:00 PM ^
Bubba should catch flack for some of the bull shit he spewed here. Calling people simple minded for their comments about this incident. Seems to me he is simple minded about this.
https://twitter.com/theview/status/1275459668626878466?s=21
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CJW3
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:53 PM ^
Ahh yes, notable defender of civil rights, the FBI.
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drjaws
June 23rd, 2020 at 6:56 PM ^
So, some asshole made a noose out of a pull rope and left it there, likely as a joke, last year. Since then, numerous people have been in that garage and likely saw it, and no one threw it out.
This is almost worse as it suggests NASCAR is full of a number assholes who saw the noose and didn’t do shit
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Biaka yomama
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:05 PM ^
No. I have a 'noose' like that in my garage. Another way to think if it is as a handle. It's also common for garages to have these types of things as a pulley to move heavier equipment.
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StrictlyShorts
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:21 PM ^
So you have the rope tied like a noose and not just a loop at the end of it? Look at the picture of the rope... that’s a noose not just a loop at the end of a rope
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WolvinLA2
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:13 PM ^
But it's not tied like a noose because if it were, as several posters have already pointed out, it would tighten the first time it was pulled, as a noose is built to do. Maybe it looks similar to a noose to you (because it's a loop) but that alone doesn't make it inappropriate, just functional.
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UM Fan from Sydney
June 23rd, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^
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M Go Cue
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:40 PM ^
No offense Dr. Jaws, but You seem really fired up about a conclusion that you completely made up.
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iMBlue2
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:12 PM ^
I’ve never actually watched any nascar event, but I think it’s pretty cool that the industry stepped up to support Bubba even if they didn’t know the exact nature of the circumstances. Personally I look at that as the win in this situation. Douchey to call them all assholes.
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GoBlueGoWings
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:02 PM ^
I'm going to guess that the investigators had on this shirt
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MgoHillbilly
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:06 PM ^
Sounds like a gyno with a gun.
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xtramelanin
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:13 PM ^
we referred to them as the 'fumbling, bumbling idiots'. well trained, but with no street experience. that said, looks like the right call and pretty cool all those NASCAR teams pushing bubba's car to the start line the other day in solidarity.
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Khaleke The Freak
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:08 PM ^
K...
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JoeMama11
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:09 PM ^
I never like to get into controversial subjects on this board but I have noticed just scrolling through the first few comments people are making weird and very out of this world excuses for Wallace and his team. They obviously lied about this rope being a noose and should face some consequences. Also I know Bubba was not the one who found the rope but he still should’ve checked with his team about the rope before making a public announcement.
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Biaka yomama
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:12 PM ^
Did they lie? I hadnt read anything suggesting that. I do think it's strange that these people who live in a garage would be unfamiliar with this type of tool.
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njvictor
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
You're making some "very out of this world" accusations that they lied. I think the most likely situation is that the rope handle, which was tied with the same knot as a noose, was misinterpreted as a noose and reported as such
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uofmchris1
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:15 PM ^
Rumor has it (out of Dick Trickel's camp) that French race car driver Juicy Smooyay was in that same garage 10 months ago.
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B-Nut-GoBlue
June 23rd, 2020 at 7:22 PM ^
lulz...well done
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The Pope
June 23rd, 2020 at 8:14 PM ^
MAGA hats!?!?
Still one of the funniest stand up specials I’ve ever seen.
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