MSU DB Julian Barnett entering transfer Portal

Submitted by Gentleman Squirrels on December 10th, 2020 at 10:24 PM

Per mlive article

Barnett was the #57 player and the #8 corner in the 2019 class. He played WR out of necessity in his first year at MSU and switched to CB with Mel Tucker's new staff. 

Harbaugh or whoever the next coach is need to go all in to try to land his commitment because he could bring an excellent combination of length and athleticism to the position.

Gentleman Squirrels

December 10th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^

He would also serve to counteract the Harbaugh not recruiting in state talent and may serve to mend some bridges with Belleville in the long term (though unlikely).

If Barnett wants to play WR instead, I think he could be decent at that position too with a 4.54 40 time. But with his length, I think he could be an outstanding corner prospect. Just needs some coaching. 

LabattBlue

December 11th, 2020 at 1:15 AM ^

Something went down with him this year.

Was definitely a better athlete than either starting corner, or safety this year.

Absolutely limited playing time, a little on special teams. MSU's cb coordinator is plenty capable.

Not going to get the real version for a while, but Barnett & Dobbs fell off the map for some reason besides "coaching".

BluethroughNthrough

December 11th, 2020 at 10:00 AM ^

From my Spartan friends, Mel Tucker was trying extremely hard to keep Barnett from transferring. He even took him under his wing. From my Spartan friends understanding from MSU insiders, Barnett was having troubles learning the new system. Mostly because he was an offensive player last season and they missed some spring all. His athleticism is off the charts. And I know Sparty did not want him to transfer. As for Dobbs, my buddies talked about him and apparently he has been battling an injury all season. They told me this from an interview they saw with the O-line coach at MSU. Word on the street is Dobbs won’t see any playing time this season. Per Sparty friends.

yoyo

December 10th, 2020 at 10:39 PM ^

Tall and pretty fast! He's a perfect cornerback for Michigan's system that's likely getting replaced but still a good in state talent. 

DTOW

December 10th, 2020 at 10:53 PM ^

Tom Vanhaaren, one of ESPN's college football reporters, tweeted out tonight that since December 1st, 146 FBS players have entered the transfer portal.  That seems absurdly high and there's going to be many many more.  I'm starting to get worried that this laissez faire attitude we've all just seemed to accept regarding these transfers is going to have some major unintended consequences.

DTOW

December 11th, 2020 at 12:42 AM ^

Well, you can make the argument that a lot of people get a raw deal when this stuff happens at the rate its currently accelerating at.  Teammates, coaches, coaches families, fans ect.  You could make a very valid argument that some of these players may have taken a spot that another recruit didn't get, especially at elite academic institutions like Michigan.

I'm not saying your position is right or wrong.  You may very well think the tradeoffs are well worth it.  But you can't say that no one is affected by this stuff.

Gulogulo37

December 11th, 2020 at 2:25 AM ^

Coaches families and fans? Come on. Yeah fuck Zach Carpenter. I'm the real victim here.

Also, there are almost surely going to be a lot more transfers this year than usual. You're lumping all transfers together and talking about how teammates and coaches are victims, but a lot (most?) of these guys are transferring because they're buried on a depth chart.

DTOW

December 11th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^

Well, you're taking what I said to the extreme when that's not how I presented it.  I never said anything close to "fuck Zach Carpenter" at all.  And yes, coaches families can be affected by this stuff.  If mass transfers contribute to a coach's termination, whether that be a head coach or an assistant, it without question has an impact on their families.  I guarantee you there's people on this blog that have high paying jobs and if they were to get fired the fact that their positions were high paying isn't much of a comfort to their families. 

It seems to me that many people on this board don't want to give any thought to the fact that there may be ramifications for this stuff.  Nobody is affected.  There are no consequences for any of it.  The important thing is that we pound the table in unequivocal support of the players just before we pat ourselves on the back.  All of the power, none of the responsibility. 

 

Vote_Crisler_1937

December 11th, 2020 at 6:14 AM ^

Fans are not in any way victims in any way connected to transfers. Coached families are also not in any way victims in any of this. 

OBLIGATORY: I have no specific info about any of the 146 reported transfer portal kids. THIS IS MY PERSONAL observations and may or may not be relevant to current transfers today. 

I’ve posted this before but it’s been a while: 

I played a varsity Big Ten sport for 5 seasons and I can tell you during that not-so-long ago time it was pretty common to absolutely HATE your coach. I hated my coaches. I know lots of other guys from around the conference who hated their coaches too. Not at all in a “Bo treats them all the same - like dogs!” way. But in a “coach lied to me and my family about my responsibility here” way. In a “Coach made racist jokes in front of my teammates about me” way. In a “coach called me out in front of the whole team and athletic training staff using gay slurs way” 

all things I have personally witnessed in your average Big Ten practice. I’ve seen 14 different teammates get called c**k sucker in front of the whole team in one season during post game “what went right what went wrong” locker room break downs. We actually kept track as players because it was so frequent to have your masculinity and heterosexuality attacked by our coaches (plural). One of my coaches once pulled me aside to say that even though he wouldn’t have used the word, he needs to defend another coach who used the N-word multiple times in a group of people about one of his own players. My assistant coach thought we, the players, shouldn’t make a big deal out of what that head coach chose to say about a POC on his team. Convoluted reasons and circular arguments ensued. 

DJ Durkin’s antics from a year ago didn’t surprise me at all (especially what Peppers said he observed). I don’t know DJ but it didn’t sound any different to me than what other coaches I’ve seen routinely do.  I’ve personally worked out with DJ’s strength coach (in the incident) Rick Court, and who Rick’s players described him to be is very far away from the man Rick presented himself to be when I was being recruited. If, totally hypothetically in Rick’s case, I had gotten on campus and this really chill guy who seemed as much like a friend as a coach was suddenly a threatening bully who made my day worse whenever I was his target, yeah I’d feel lied to and transfer too. 

bronxblue

December 11th, 2020 at 10:18 AM ^

So who is the "victim" here?  Some teams get worse and some get better, but every departure opens up another spot for a player who wants to play at that school and possibly get a starting spot, which feels like a win.  

The biggest victim AFAIK are coaches who now have to deal with changes to their rosters, which considering they're paid million of dollars to do so doesn't feel a particularly heavy burden.

MJ14

December 11th, 2020 at 12:10 AM ^

Michigan State currently has 5 in the portal and its reported a few more will join. Michigan currently has 3 in the portal. Zach Carpenter, Charles Thomas, and Osman Savage. Florida has 3. Georgia has 5 in the portal including Mathis, a highly rated QB. Auburn has 4, Florida State has 7. Including an extremely high rated wide receiver who is coming to IU. Clemson only has 1 this year so far, but had 4 last year. This is just the way college football is now. Used to teams would recruit 30 guys and process 5. Now players find themselves homes when it doesn’t work out and teams don’t over recruit as much. This is how Saban built depth for a long time. Over recruit and then push out. Now the players have some say in getting out before being processed out, so teams less and less are having to process guys out. Instead teams are looking to fill spots with transfer in themselves. 

Magnus

December 11th, 2020 at 7:57 AM ^

I've been saying this for a while, but recruiting in the State of Michigan is very tricky. There are a fair number of 4- and 5-star kids who go on to do very little. As much as we like to talk about the need to land Steve Elmer and Quinn Nordin and Julian Barnett and every in-state prospect, there are a ton of flops or guys who are JAGs. Barnett still has time to succeed, but think about Michigan's recent 1st round picks - New Jersey (Peppers/Gary), Ohio (Charlton), Florida (Bush), the FL/NJ border (Ruiz), etc. 

Michigan's last 1st round pick from the State of Michigan is (IIRC) Brandon Graham.

Pumafb

December 11th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^

Very true Magnus and it's interesting. I have coached high school in Michigan and now coach down in South Carolina. In my short time down here, it seems South Carolina has more players become impactful players at the power 5 level than Michigan. While Michigan has more athletes go D1 than South Carolina when you look at raw numbers, we have a much higher percentage. I can also say that the concentration of players in greater in Michigan. By that I mean there are a handful of schools that seem to have most of the D1 talent. Down here, it seems every team we play has at least a couple of D1 level athletes. These kids play the part and look the part. Now there are schools that have more than others (Dutch Fork, Dillon, Myrtle Beach ect.), but in Michigan you could play an entire season and see maybe 1 D1 kid unless you were in league with one of the big boy teams. 

ldevon1

December 11th, 2020 at 9:46 AM ^

So true, people get caught up in the "protect your state" argument, but sometimes the players aren't worth protecting. I made a diary post showing how the players from the state have fared since 2016. I didn't do the the research, but just a casual look would tell you that 3 stars from Cali, Florida, Louisiana, Texas and other southern states do better than 4 stars from Michigan in college.  

Magnus

December 11th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^

Right. There are a few powerhouses in Michigan on a regular basis (West Bloomfield now though that's a relatively new thing, Belleville, King, Cass Tech, Orchard Lake St. Mary's, etc.), but if you get outside of Metro Detroit, there's not much talent at all.

And you look at some of these Detroit kids who get 40 or 50 offers or whatever (Lavert Hill, Donovan Peoples-Jones, etc.), and they go in the 6th round or go undrafted. We made a big deal about Mike Weber, who had a fine career at Ohio State . . . but they were/would have been just fine without him because they had a 3-star kid from Texas named JK Dobbins.

bronxblue

December 11th, 2020 at 10:21 AM ^

I doubt he comes to Michigan, but people freaking out about guys transferring need to just look around and see that every school has had to deal with it.