More top football recruits drifting away from Michigan
Jalen Brown looks to be headed to Miami and Jacobe Johnson is likely headed to Oklahoma.
Not looking good. I'm starting to wonder what would be better, finishing with a class ranked 15-25 where Michigan brass can say "That's good enough" or finishing with a class ranked outside the top 40 where it would be clear to everyone we must change our strategy.
this is right up there with rooting for us to lose so we can fire a coach, to which i would respond with a hearty “shove it.”
Not at all. One could argue 1 poor class is better than 4 mediocre classes if it changes strategy. 1 poor class won't sink the ship.
One poor class won't sink the ship?
Not if 3 top 10 classes were to follow
If Harbaugh isn't actively trying to change Michigan's NIL approach, then I want him to be fired. If losing is what does that, then I want to lose. It's negligent management of the football program to not be begging the University to fully deploy NIL resources like we see everywhere else.
It's the University that is stubborn on how to apply NIL.
You sure it’s just the University? Remember this is the coach who if a group won their drill got to run sprints to “get better”
Either Harbaugh agrees, in which case... woof.
Or Harbaugh disagrees and should resign on principle, which would at least let the AD hire someone who's okay with not doing everything possible to compete in this environment.
It's Harbaugh/Warde. The university bends over backwards for rich donors. Why is this any different? You're seriously meaning to tell me that the five to seven rich alumni that want to make this happen (not the uber rich ones like Ross that are concerned with social optics, but the $100 million + guys with egos that work in the background) couldn't get this figured out in an afternoon?
It is 100% on Warde. Lets look at the leadership structure to see who is the likely blocker here -
MSC - nope, she's probably just checked out and told the AD - "you guys figure it out".
Warde - /twiddles thumbs, doesn't want to upset Harbaugh.
Harbaugh - has gone on the record publicly stating his dislike of having to shell out money for recruits.
So...whose job is it then to work with those five to seven donors behind the scenes and tell Harbaugh - "this is for your own good, and by the way, I'm your boss".
Yeah, you don't seem to get how U of M works. It's a school that doesn't let its athletic department just do whatever it wants -- ie, all the stickler rules about transfers. It's a top-down school, one that zealously guards its academic and social reputation, sometimes at the expense of sports. Sports are not the school's defining quality; it's not OSU or Alabama. The school is obviously skittish about NIL, for ethical/legal reasons. Whether these concerns ultimately turn out to be valid or silly remains to be seen, but it's pretty clear the school doesn't like what it's seeing in terms of "inducements" by other programs. Maybe it has its reasons. Maybe it's naive. But I assure you competitive zealots like Harbaugh will seize any potential advantage.
awesome. please post your ticket locations so i can actively avoid those sections.
Section 3 Row 23. You can’t afford them anyways my man
weird, i've been in that section several times, i'm surprised i didn't hear you cheering for the visitors, what with the whole "i'm rooting for us to lose so i can get a coach i like" thing.
I'm all in on being upset and questioning things if we lose Moore to Oregon, but find it hard to be angry with the staff for potentially losing a WR from Miami, FL to Miami and an athlete from Oklahoma to Oklahoma.
Yeah. It could be where they are from. The problem is we have fewer options than in the past because no one wants to play for the Block M without getting some NIL money. Notre Dame, OSU, and MSU are all within 200 miles of Ann Arbor and have functioning NIL programs.
People downvoting you because they don’t like the truth.
That is NOT true. Evidently you've never experienced a Goblin's vibe. There are two spirits on this planet and there are no in between.. Just check this humans posting record. He's a hoot, of a man. He really loves to hate. He can't hide his feelings.
Hell! A legacy recruit in our own backyard won’t even come to Michigan because he wanted to “get away”.
Are there any state of Florida recruits who are looking to “get away “?
13 of the top 20 recruits in the state of Florida in last year’s class left the state. And that’s with Florida having three major D1 programs.
Freaking out about recruits wanting to “get away” for college is silly. It happens everywhere. For whatever reason it makes Michigan fans think the sky is falling.
This is not news.
Miami has been leading for Brown since Gattis (his primary M recruiter) left Michigan and I haven’t seen anything on the free sites on the other kid in months.
People can be unhappy without manufacturing “reasons”. How about the 3 star DE (Thompson?) who is now getting CBs from our 247 guys to UNC? Should we be unhappy to lose this kid or take it as a sign that M is looking good for higher ranked Edge prospects?
we've had our heads up our collective asses since Carr decided to go to ND.
Good take.
I'm indifferent in losing Carr, but the preponderance of evidence of our weak NIL stance here is Moore. The prioritization and effort the staff put in with Moore, to lose him to $$$ is devastating and clearly of sign of things to come as long Michigan sticks with this dumb shit strategy.
They didn’t lose Moore to money. He had nd in front of Michigan before they took carr. They lost moore to gattis leaving and Weiss being a shit recruiter and everyone in the world knowing harbaugh is taking the first nfl job he can get.
At this point it is what it is that Michigan is going to have a bad class this year. If they have another good year on the field they can finish ok and if they avoid massive staff turnover can actually do some momentum building. But this year is going to suck and it’s more on harbaugh than it is nil.
For $5 Mil guaranteed I don't care if MeanJoe07 is the OC...that's where I'm going today, tomorrow, & next year.
Absolutely astonishing to see a school and a program destroy their team all for some misplaced sense of "the right way"
Call it what you will, The Michigan Indifference!!!
Is EGJ the Ghost of Drew Sharp?
Drew Sharp? The kid Todd shot in Breaking Bad?
Yeah! "Fuck integrity!!!!" "Values are for pussies!!!!" "Eat the young!!!!"
No thanks. I like my alma mater the way she is. Deeply imperfect, but with at least a compass.
Your excuse for falling off the face of the earth in recruiting is that UM is too morally superior to stop partaking in slave labor for college athletes?
STOP. No one is forcing these kids to play a game while they go to college. They are chasing a dream and putting in the effort for those millions of dollars of rewards once they leave and go to "work". Just because you don't agree with the school's policy, doesn't mean you have to go inflating an issue into the realm of fiction just because your team might not win some games. Grow up.
Mattavious, respectfully Nick has a point. On one extreme we have a group who wants to go back to the days of recruits/players chasing a dream and their rewards being earned once or if they get drafted. Problem is Universities, NCAA, Media make billions off of their labor. Their recompense is room, board and a stipend.
On the other hand, there's the group who supports the S.C. ruling that student athletes should be entitled to earn as much money as the market will bear and the initial reaction to this is high level recruits are being offered millions of dollars in NIL money.
Many schools are using their NIL money as an inducement ie. (signing bonus), while Michigan has publicly stated they are against paying upfront and recruits will have to continue to chase the dream longer to see what we might give you. That essentially equates to cheap labor for a promise that's not guaranteed.
Some highly ranked and generational recruits probably should get guaranteed money, as a free education is simply not worth the risk of injury, if the market is willing to pay them now. Just saying, isn't Charles Woodson, Chris Weber, Magic Johnson or Steph Curry worth more than free college?
Another recompense is no student loan debt
Slave labor? Perhaps they'd be better off making apparel for Phil Knight...
Is the same school that finished strong last year. We are over 5 months and a football season away from signing day. Maybe we should wait and see what happens instead of getting bothered months before anyone can sign. A Florida WR heading to Miami with a new coach and an OK person staying OK what’s the surprise ?
Every other football power is now offering a giant signing bonus and Michigan is an offering an opportunity to have access to a performance based contract. This will not end well for Michigan.
You are correct. And it is obvious. But...many here (and in AD) just want to 'wait and see.'
And in AD??? Boy oh boy... This place is hilarious...
In similar news:
- Steve and Brice flipped ballz for Tyler Thompson away from UM to UNC.
- Ballz for Landon Hatchett to UW
- Ballz for Daniel Harris to UGA
- ballz for John Walker to an OSU
- Sam ballz Charles Jagusah to ND
eek
The Thompson CB could be interpreted as a good thing as we have 3 DE targets deciding next week. We lead for 2 of them and the other looks to be a coinflip with Miami
Why are you, and many others, spinning so hard to turn this obvious train wreck into 'no, thus is actually a good thing'?
How is pointing out that we’re currently expected to get 2 commits at his position within the next week and have a 50/50 shot at another “spinning” anything?
You’re still going to be mad if we pull in two commits at his position next week?
cuz gloom and doom is how some people live their lives....
Jalen Brown was always likely to go to Miami.
It’s remarkable how Michigan recruits like 200 guys and only gets like 20 of them.
It is time to evaluate our approach. Think of the attractive depth chart for 2024 if we get on the bandwagon.
More like 25
The problem is that they're striking out on their top 180 or so.
