Lorenz Comments on Radio Show Yesterday

Submitted by alum96 on

For those who follow recruiting but haven't listened to the front page replay here is a summary of comments ahead of a big recruiting weekend.

First most imporant - UM has confirmed to Lorenz 27 is the size of the class.  Subtraction and addition will get UM there. (Most of us expected 28). 

EDIT 4 PM - Lorenz and Ace just put in crystal ballz for Elliott to UM.

Mecole Hardman

  • If it was today it would be GA or TN.  Delaying to NSD only helps Michigan which is a dark horse.  Peppers utilization is a draw - not quite the player Peppers is but not too far away.

Terrance Davis

  • Long time leader with UM.  Went to dinner with Drevno and entire family incl Drevno mom.  Loves UM.  With 2 guards already in class, UM would prefer another tackle aka Jean Delance.  If UM gave green light to Davis Lorenz think he would commit but trying for Delance for now.  (Delance rescheduled this weekend's official due to his team advancing in playoffs).  Bottom line: If UM wants him, he is coming.  Of course risk is slow ball and get neither at end.

Dontavious Jackson + Chris Brown (HS teammates)

  • Both had come up here for a 4 day unofficial in spring.  Brown not as highly rated but UM likes his game - could play CB or S.  With Brown it's UM or Texas. 
  • Jackson's recruitment is more national of a battle but Texas vs Michigan might be the battle here too.   Texas struggles have helped UM with these 2 kids as well as others. 

Pie Young, Velus Jones, Dylan Crawford

  • Lorenz expects wr recruiting to play out over time as UM wants Crawford.  (Oregon heavy in mix as Crawford's "dream offer")  Pie Young would commit if green lighted.  Still a tiny chance for Corley but most think MSU. (announces Dec 8th).  McDoom is sort of a backup plan and is basically a Kentucky guy at this point.  All indications are Velus Jones won't sign with USC. 
  • If they feel Crawford is not coming, Pie Young would appear to be the guy but that was my take because Lorenz didnt talk much about McDoom or Jones other than their status with other teams.
  • Crawford is the domino. 

[Edit - per jack daniels below "Sam Webb thinks McDoom is at the top of Michigan's board with Crawford, but that they won't wait on those two if it meant turning away Young or Jones."]

Lavert Hill

  • Hill has been to UM 5x this season, hasnt been to PSU once (?).  "A matter of time...but how much time?" when he picks Michigan.  Lots of head scratching my analysts why it hasn't happened yet.  No idea when.

Keyshon Camp

  • A flip is "very possible".  Not expecting it this weekend.  Lorenz is close to flipping him in crystal ball to UM.   Reuben Jones has been in his ear constantly about how great atmosphere up here.

2017s

  • Terrance Davis teammate Anthony McFarland is an elite elite elite (did I mention elite?) 5 star running back who will be here this weekend; Georgia leads but obviously one UM wants.  This guy would be the "missing piece" for UM - crazy speed AND vision.
  • DT Fred Hansard continues the pipeline of great DTs out of NJ; Lorenz says NJ has 5 legit DTs in 2017 (4 stars).  Pretty wide open - PSU, OSU, UCLA... UM in mix.
  • LB Drew Singleton - Paramus Catholic pipeline, top 150 LB - UM has a "significant" lead.
  • CB Ambry Thomas out of King.  Most "Jourdan Lewis" type player Lorenz has seen of late - Lorenz loves this kid.  UM in "decent shape" because OSU has already taken 4 2017 DBs.  MSU heavy in mix.

Misc

  • Peters, Bredeson, Mitchell are your 3 main "recruiters" in this class to fellow 2016ers. 
  • Jordan Elliott, Bush Jr, Delance will now be here Dec 11th for official due to playoff games for their HS.  Slight disappointment for staff as obviously being in this environment would be great. as staff wants these 3 2.
  • UM's top 3 DL targets are: Gary, Camp, Elliott.
  • Expects a committment this weekend but just saying that because so many players out there who like UM will be here.  He has no inside info with any names - just a probability thing.

Kingston Davis talk

  • Lorenz still thinks he ends up at UM.  Michigan loves him much more than scouting services and wants him bad.  He is a Harbaugh type back through and through.

Magnus

November 24th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^

I'm pretty sure Jordan Elliott's season is done. Houston Westside went 4-7 this year and their last game was on November 13, which was a 77-0 loss in the playoffs.

Minus The Houma

November 24th, 2015 at 3:04 PM ^

Red River Hog, good pig choice, my favorite.

Red River piglets look like little watermelons

Watermelon is a classic BBQ food

A 2016 recruit that was at the BBQ at the Big House is going to commit.

Lavert Hill it is, take it to the bank!

Cro-magnon

November 24th, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^

I really like Kingston Davis. Glad to see Lorenz expects him in this class. Good compliment to Walker I think. Worst case scenario; Davis is a great fullback. I think he'll make a great RB.

alum96

November 24th, 2015 at 1:44 PM ^

Based on how Lorenz voice inflection changes I think he is a Michigan rb - the battering ram Harbaugh wants.  Obviously if Falcon had been healthy that would have been the lightning and thunder combo.  Now hopefully its Walker and Davis.  But I mean Lorenz is like Harbaugh LOVES this kid.

alum96

November 24th, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^

Lorenz didnt talk about him but if you read around various peeps and sites and crystal ballz everyone assumes UM now.

17 of last 18 crystal ballz have been to UM incl Lorenz and Wiltfong which are sort of the 2 key ones. Ace too!

Also he wore a UM towel this weekend so thats a near guarantee of course!

http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Kareem-Walker-at-De-Paul-Catholi…

MotownGoBlue

November 24th, 2015 at 2:04 PM ^

We're going to need a FB. It's an essential part of Harbaugh's offense.

If Davis has clearly stated that he will not play FB in college then I missed it. What I'm saying is that a mere 6 months in our conditioning program and he easily adds 10 pounds to that frame and still plays a huge role on offense.

maize-blue

November 24th, 2015 at 3:11 PM ^

I'm not the first to state this, but I think it would be interesting to see Smith transition to the FB position after this season. I guess that would depend on what recruits come in or what current RB on the roster can take off.

I love Smith but the guy just is not fast or quick enough for a prime time RB. I think him at FB could be interesting.

I Like Burgers

November 24th, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

Think it was Brian that said this somewhere, but Smith as an Aaron Shea type FB would be awesome.  If you could put someone like a Kareem Walker and Smith in the backfield at the same time, that would create all sorts of problems for opposing defenses.

DairyQueen

November 25th, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^

Wyatt Shallman may be back.

He's had multiple knee injuries, but fullbacks don't tend to do a lot of open field cutting, so he could fill the position. From memory he's 6'3" 240lbs, he also can catch out of the back field and I remember the scouting saying he was very athletic.

But it's anyone's guess at this point. But a very important position in a Jim Harbaugh offense.

 

MotownGoBlue

November 24th, 2015 at 1:42 PM ^

Michigan + Harbaugh + winning = elite recruiting.

Nothing against Hoke's classes (solid) but Harbaugh will reel in Bama, SoCal, OSU level talent year in and year out.

And QBs going forward? Forget about it.

MEZman

November 24th, 2015 at 1:50 PM ^

I think I interpreted the WR comments differently than you did... to me it sounded like the coaches prefer Crawford, McDoom, or Jones. Pie Young is a backup plan in case none of the other three wants to commit.

Sounds like Crawford is a battle with Oregon, Kentucky leads for McDoom, and Velus Jones is visiting and to be determined at this point.

Anyway that's how I took it.

alum96

November 24th, 2015 at 1:56 PM ^

Could be... but that is not how I heard it.

Basically just said Jones is going to decommit.  McDoom doesnt have many offers its basically UK.  And Pie Young wants in.

And staff wants Crawford as top of their board of this group. 

I could be wrong on how they rank McDoom v Young v Jones but Lorenz didnt say much about those other 2 in relation to UM itself - just what their current recruiting situation was with other schools.  Spoke a lot more about Young and relation with UM vs the other 2.

MEZman

November 24th, 2015 at 2:02 PM ^

I think my interpretation is based on it sounding like he was saying if Pie Young were "allowed" to commit he would have done so already. So the offer to McDoom and the Jones visit implies that they prefer them to Young at this point. Agree on it sounding like Crawford is #1 on the pecking order.

Could be wildly misinterpreting what he said though.

alum96

November 24th, 2015 at 2:10 PM ^

The way I read it was he is not allowed due to waiting on Crawford.  So there is 1 spot left and Crawford is the domino and Young is the sure thing if no Crawford.  If Crawford is yes no spot for the others due to class size.

The other guys seem to be in various spots of transition.  He just didnt go too deep into where they stand in relation to UM like he did  Young so hard to tell any pecking order between the "plan Bs" if you will.

Mr Miggle

November 24th, 2015 at 2:50 PM ^

It may not be as simple as that though. The visit is a chance to meet Jones. Probably that helps determine how much they like him relative to Young and others. I'd also guess they aren't pursuing McDoom. They put out an offer, hoping he'd schedule a visit like Jones did. I can see them waiting a bit for Crawford, I just don't see them holding off taking a commitment from Young for someone who hasn't visited.