Klatt's Interesting Take on Michigan
October 23rd, 2019 at 3:11 PM ^
I can’t say he’s wrong. I agree we need to beat MSU here on out and at some point you gotta beat OSU.
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:04 PM ^
Thought that was a very good take and right on the money. If we fire JH who do we get? Who would want to come here after we fired a UM legend. It can get worse people. I can’t say I’m thrilled with how the team looks in year 5 but I also realize we are not Bama Clemson or OSU
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:50 PM ^
....we used to be!
Now we have permanent bpone as some on this blog hope to beat THEEEEEEEE ohio once and a while. We used to be around or above .500 with them!
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:27 PM ^
Yes we used to be but used to be and where we are today are two very different things. OSU is among the elite teams with Alabama and Clemson and unless we want to cheat or compromise on academics we aren’t getting there. Choices have to be made and I like the choices UM has made to stay true to its principals. There are things more important then winning football games
October 24th, 2019 at 12:42 AM ^
Got proof OSU is cheating? OSU is getting kids like Harry Miller who was valedictorian in high school and turned down Stanford. OSU overall his improved its academic standing and its ACT average. It's not guaranteed admission for in state either. It's not Michigan, but it's not the academic wasteland a lot of you like to think. Meyer actually seemed to care about the players life beyond football and instituted things like the famous Real Life Wednesdays.
October 24th, 2019 at 7:41 AM ^
Yes, Urban Meyer is/was a great guy.
October 24th, 2019 at 12:59 AM ^
Can we end this tired narrative that the reason we lose games is because we
a. Don’t cheat and
b. All our players are super scholars?
It’s an excuse, guys
October 24th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
It’s also all the refs’ fault.
Wait, I was actually starting to come around on that one...
October 24th, 2019 at 1:11 PM ^
Fuckin thank God for common sense and an ounce of humility. We suck not because we field uber-geeks, or young men with morals. We suck because we're not putting in the work, and fighting for it.
And fuck all of you that say we can't be ELITE!
October 24th, 2019 at 1:06 PM ^
Can't NEG-BANG your ass enough.
Stop making excuses... Michigan has the money, the resources, the connections, and acumen to make it happen. Tired of this BS that only Bama, Clemson, and Ohio can do it... BULLSHIT! It's a panzy-ass way of saying "WE"RE FUCKIN LAZY., AND DON'T WANNA PUT IN THE EFFORT"
The other thing we haven't had in a loooong time is a team with grit, that fights on every play. Yeah yeah Shae got poked in the eye and cried about it, so and so got an ass grab... this team and staff needs to get PISSED, and start fighting!
We've sat on our lower posteriors for so long living on the "tradition" that we don't know HOW to fight anymore. We've grown soft... it's become our NEW tradition; and this culture needs to change!
October 25th, 2019 at 7:55 AM ^
Then fucking cheat! Jesus christ are we getting some award I don't know about for being clean but not winning shit??
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:26 PM ^
You don't stay with a partner when the fit isn't right just because you're scared of being alone / trading down.
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:49 PM ^
Football coaches aren't romantic partners and it's rather stupid to use this analogy.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:28 PM ^
Florida coeds disagree with the first half of your statement.
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
Here’s today’s hint: JH is the best football coach and the best fit at Michigan you are going to get. You can whine, bitch, toss darts and grenades, but he’ll decide when and if he leaves here. If you think otherwise, you are extremely ignorant of Michigan history and Michigan’s values.
October 23rd, 2019 at 10:59 PM ^
I thought Michigan's history was the winningest program in CFB history. I thoughts Michigan's values were leaders and best.
Saying one must cheat to win is an excuse. Claiming that Jim Harbaugh and staff are not underperforming is wrong. Thinking this program is trending in the right direction is false. Believing that this is the best you can do is sad.
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^
Who would want to go to Florida after they fired a coach who went 9-3 with 2 SEC East titles 2 years in a row?
Dan Mullen I guess.
October 24th, 2019 at 1:15 PM ^
Dunno... but I'm guessing they've got goals of seeing an NC. If that's the case then maybe a change is necessary.
Do you like to settle for 2nd best, or do you wanna take the prom queen to the big dance and bang her f'ing brains out later that night.
Your choice bruh...
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:55 PM ^
Harbaugh was a UM legend as a player.
As a coach, he's decidedly meh.
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:51 PM ^
Kinda like Bump Elliott?
October 24th, 2019 at 2:04 AM ^
Meh is so oversimplifying harbaugh as a coach. If he were an above average college football coordinator somewhere, maybe his coaching career vs his playing career amounts to a meh. But he's a head football coach. At a top 15ish program that is underachieving by standards that he has created by immediately restoring our program. Which is what we expected. Maybe you think James Franklin is less meh than Jim but he's delivering what he should at a program of Penn States calibur. We'd like to think we are on another level than them but I'd say it's about even. And given Saturday nights performance, and the recruiting rankings, even seeing Wisconsin's game doesn't travel or work as well without a cozy lead, we're looking eye to eye with everyone in the league except OSU. Unfortunately this year will not quiet any doubters and we have another offseason of wishful thinking to look forward to.
October 24th, 2019 at 1:29 PM ^
I call BS...
and the fact that you're "ok" with M and Ped State football programs being "even" after one of the biggest scandals in collegiate athletic history... boggles the mind. We 'should' be light-years ahead of them, but we've dicked ourselves around for the last 10 years. Keep making excuses, and we'll remain at this level.
October 24th, 2019 at 2:04 AM ^
Meh is so oversimplifying harbaugh as a coach. If he were an above average college football coordinator somewhere, maybe his coaching career vs his playing career amounts to a meh. But he's a head football coach. At a top 15ish program that is underachieving by standards that he has created by immediately restoring our program. Which is what we expected. Maybe you think James Franklin is less meh than Jim but he's delivering what he should at a program of Penn States calibur. We'd like to think we are on another level than them but I'd say it's about even. And given Saturday nights performance, and the recruiting rankings, even seeing Wisconsin's game doesn't travel or work as well without a cozy lead, we're looking eye to eye with everyone in the league except OSU. Unfortunately this year will not quiet any doubters and we have another offseason of wishful thinking to look forward to.
October 23rd, 2019 at 10:22 PM ^
You are dead wrong. You don’t settle for good when you are trying to be great. You don’t take comfort in mediocrity because “it could be worse”. It could be worse true but it could be better too. If OSU had that same thought process they would have never got rid of John Cooper (who did far more at OSU than Harbaugh has done here) and hired Tressel. It was that move and that turned their program into the best program in the Big Ten and a yearly NC contender.
Harbaugh, like every coach Michigan hires, has one goal = winning championships. If you’re not getting it done, then you look for someone else. The only thing worse then not winning championships is not trying to win them. And by embracing the status quo that is exactly what you are doing.
October 24th, 2019 at 3:09 AM ^
Your ignorance is showing....
No ONE expected Tressel to do what he did for OSU...he wasn't their top choice and he wasn't on the national list of top tier coaching prospects. He was something of a local legend...and his programs both before and at OSU were at a min tainted by scandal (he was willing to bend the rules and/or look the other way). Tressel also inherited a program loaded with top tier talent in a state the regularly produces top tier talent.
Harbaugh walked into an absolute mess of a program that had been wandering in the darkness for a decade. A program that did not even have a viable QB on the roster, had terrible Oline development, etc.
People act like getting out from under the mess of back to back coaching mis-hires on the heels of the late Lloyd years back to a top 15 program is easy...
Its such a black and white, simple world for some...
October 24th, 2019 at 7:35 AM ^
Harbaugh walked into such a mess he intereted a team with 10 NFL draft picks and still went 10-3 ?♂️
Why do some of our fans act like Michigan's situation was totally unique to them? What about USC who was bad all throughout the 90s? What about Alabama who only lost less than 3 games five times from when Bear Bryant retired to Saban's second year? What about Oklahoma who had 4 straight losing seasons before Stoops?
Also how can you can they didn't expect Tressel to be so good, but at the same time say Harbaugh is the best we can get? The truth is you don't know that anymore than anyone else, but OSU said enough was enough and it worked out for them.
October 24th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
This is a great point. I've been puzzled by the "Harbaugh inherited a disaster" take based on the number of Hoke recruits that were eventually drafted, some taken quite high. There were several that OSU tried to recruit. Some Ohio kids as well.
I've come to see Hoke as a strong recruiter/poor coach. I think this was emphasized recently when Hoke was at Oregon. His defense there was awful!
As for Tressel, its true he wasn't the first choice. But there was a lot of optimism regarding his hire because of the multiple NC's he won at 1-AA Youngstown St. Once he made the "you will be proud" speech at his OSU basketball game halftime intro, he had all of Buckeye Nation's support.
I believe the upcoming ND, MSU and OSU games are critical for JH. He has to win 1-2 of those so he can regain the UM faithful and stop the negative vibe among the fan base. It's not helping your program. Its not easy but if OSU people like me could continue to support John Cooper thru the 90's, you should be able to do it with JH.
October 24th, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^
Glen Mason, Bob Stoops, Mike Bellotti and Jon Gruden were the other coaching candidates for the job. As I see it, the only one you hire before Tressel was Stoops.
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:15 PM ^
This take is an absolute joke. Harbaugh was hired to compete with OSU. He was hired to elevate Michigan. You're saying it's ridiculous to compete with OSU yet MSU beat them 3 times? And don't compare him to Lloyd when he's 1-10 against top ten teams vs Lloyd at 20-8. My god.
And to compare him to Bo? Bo took his team that lost to OSU 50-14 the year before and beat #1 OSU on a 20 game win streak!!!
If any of you believe Michigan's ceiling is 10 wins and can't beat OSU you're an absolute loser.
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:25 PM ^
He was 'hired to beat OSU'? You wrote the job description? To just harp on this in an empty fashion is. . . nothing at all. UMX whatever is not changing the employment picture for Jim Harbaugh one iota.
Some of you people need to get over yourselves. This is the definition of stupid entitlement. None of the rest of the Big Ten, you may have noticed, is beating those cheating swine, either. And they are a SHITTY university. Some of us weirdo alumni care about stuff like that much more than we give a damn that you're still cutting and pasting your sadsack rants into the comment patch day after day.
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:33 PM ^
Last time I checked Purdue beat them last year, Iowa the year before, PSU the year before that, and MSU the year before that.
October 23rd, 2019 at 5:53 PM ^
Sounds like it's our turn at bat!
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^
One common theme people like to bring up is that Michigan doesn't put enough emphasis on the OSU game compared to OSU. So now I'm supposed to believe that OSU puts equal emphasis/effort into Purdue that they do Michigan?
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:39 PM ^
Um, I agree with your overall point, but it's a little ridiculous to even suggest that OSU plays the same game against Purdue as they play against us. Bad teams beat good teams all the time in college football. And I doubt anyone here would want to swap places with any of those programs right now.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^
I wouldn’t mind a handful of those MSU seasons.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:47 PM ^
He didnt say their season. He said their program.
Youd want to be that trash program?
Sorry, ill pass.
October 23rd, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
Obviously I would not.
I just thought it was worth pointing out you don’t have to sneak up on OSU to beat them.
MSU beat two Urban Meyer teams. 2013 was in the Big Ten title game. 2015 was in Columbus and MSU won the conference again that year. Not everyone needed a home night game and the element of surprise.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:52 PM ^
I would swap with Penn State right now...and that goes for Franklin's whole tenure there.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:58 PM ^
You do realize Harbaugh is 3-2 vs Franklin and Franklin's Big Ten title was a fluke right?
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^
No I don't "realize that" because that's an opinion. A dumb opinion, but an opinion.
He also has two 11-win seasons with a Fiesta Bowl win and is now 6-0.
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^
Go ahead...switch programs.
October 24th, 2019 at 6:54 AM ^
Bad take. Does Ohio State play those teams on the final weekend of the season, with a birth to the college football playoff on the line? Stop trying to compare the situations. The “Hate Michigan” culture at Ohio State has been developed to such a point that you can forget about OSU ever looking past Michigan like they do with other lesser Big Ten teams from time to time. Besides, there’s nothing to look past—it’s the final game of the season! Until Michigan gets down in the muck and the mire—like OSU did beginning with the hire of Tressell—Michigan fans need to just get used to only beating OSU once or twice every twenty years.
October 24th, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^
Yes, what Tressel did with TatGate was terrible and unforgivable. And he paid the price. However, he has worked hard to be a positive influence as evidenced by his college administration work particularly as University President at Youngstown St.
I know how much Meyer is hated by many people. And he has left himself open to criticism with some of his decisions to support players and coaches. But I will say one thing. The guy didn't cheat because he didn't have to. Just an incredibly gifted college football coach and one of the all-time great recruiters. Check out his takes with Fox Pregame Show and BTN. You will quickly see his knowledge of the game.
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:17 PM ^
This literally sums up the worst part of our fan base. Harbaugh may be our best option but that doesn’t make Harbaugh a good coach. He was hired to win and win big. Everyone on this blog guaranteed he would beat Ohio state win the big ten and get us into the playoffs at least once in his first 5 years. So far failure
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:30 PM ^
"Everyone on this blog guaranteed he would beat Ohio state win the big ten and get us into the playoffs at least once in his first 5 years." Who is this "Everyone?"
October 23rd, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
Wait hold up. You didn’t think we would do any of those things I listed??? You must have been against the Harbaugh hire in the first place. Either that or you just don’t really watch football...
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:00 PM ^
Let’s stop with the “he isn’t a good coach” crap. At least be rational and I can take you serious. Want to make an argument about him not being a great coach ? Fine. But at least be somewhat grounded.
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
Fine he’s a good coach who isn’t succeeding at Michigan...does that make you feel better? I am giving a grounded argument and I’m not trying to piss off anyone. I’m still a believer that if we beat Ohio state this season is automatically a success. I haven’t lost complete hope despite what I may have said before. Blogging during a game isn’t always the best idea
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:33 PM ^
If that's who you think is the "worst part of our fanbase" then you must not get out much.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^
Actually that's not true and exactly what klatt said is Michigan has never played at these levels and expecting them to get to those levels was unrealistic. College football became extremely top-heavy in the last half-decade andn the Wolverines will never consistently reach the heights that the Buckeyes are currently at right now. Good luck finding someone who'll get this program to that spot as Michigan hasn't been within a touchdown of where these top 5 teams are at today