Jabrill's Stock Rising?
But I really doubt anyone is really gonna tell Marcus Ray their plans. I hope it's true, but I have my doubts. He also said that Lano Hill was looking like a 1st round pick, according to scouts.
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
phenomenal athlete, that is a given....dominate? He didnt dominate at Michigan but he was my favorite player to watch, electric, always thought something was going to happen
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:27 AM ^
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March 22nd, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
Both are athletic and natural read & react players. Jabrill is about 30 lbs heavier and a few inches taller. From what I've heard they both probably correlate best to safety/nickel in the NFL. But, my impression was that Matthieu was much better in coverage than Jabrill while he was in college. If I remember correctly Matthiu was a turnover machine, although I think he forced more fumbles than interceptions I still think he was much better in coverage than Jabrill at this point in both their careers.
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^
a great cover guy, he was good in zone though. He had a knack for being in the right place. He is only 5'8 so he couldnt succeed as a corner in the NFL, and he doesn't have elite speed. i think he ran a 4.6 at the combine.
Jabrill is a better athlete, much more mature (remember TM was kicked out of school)..but it's hard to measure if he has the same natural ability to be in the right place, right time...as they played 2 different positions.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
" i think he ran a 4.6 at the combine. "
4.51
I remember it wasn't great for a db, and people knocked him for it at the time. He measurable weren't great though compared to Peppers, and his combine results weren't amazing either. The narrative on him was "he's too small, has maturity issues, didn't stand out physically and no natural position...but he makes plays" Peppers only "knock" is he played out of position and lack of interceptions (while playing lb)
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:40 AM ^
Larry Foote is a coach for the Cardinals. Marcus mentions Foote on the air almost as much as Charles Woodson. They are good friends. If he has any information, it could have come from Foote. Because he can't stop running his mouth, it's obvious who his source would be.
Thank you... that sentence made me literally laugh out loud this morning.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^
The Cardinals are my team! I hope it's true too!!!
Marcus Ray said he was a second round pick not a first round pick.
That would be fun seeing a secondary with Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu, and Peppers. Talk about having playmakers.
They don't even need to sign WRs, they can all play two ways.
A dominant secondary has worked well for the Seahawks over the past 6 years. This would be crazy secondary...allowing Mathieu to roam in the back end a bit more, let Peterson do what he does best (blanket the other team's primary target) and Have Jabrill play the hybrid role and make a bunch of tackles at the LOS instead of getting Mathieu beat up all game.
This would be an amazing fit, and yes, all 3 could be players on offense and special teams too.
I heard they're going to trade Peterson and Mathieu to move up to #1 to get Peppers.
I'm so tired of hearing about his lack of interceptions.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^
No kidding.
Shawn Springs was the Big 10 Defensive player of the year and first-team all-American his last year at Ohio State. He was subsequently picked third in the '97 NFL draft. He had ZERO interceptions his last year at OSU. That was while playing cornerback. Peppers played linebacker. Cripes.
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
I thought McShay said the other day he was likely to fall into the second round.
Damn straight.
The tone among most of the public scouts has signficantly shifted since he ran a good 40 time. The big concern on him at safety was covering half a field, and that seems to be less of a concern when you're blazing a 4.46 40 at the combine, which was faster than Jamaal Adam' 4.56 and suspected to be faster than Malik Hooker (Hooker didn't run at the combine due to recovery from a surgery).
What? So pro scouts were concerned about his speed and ability to cover the field? If they can't see from the film that the guy has plenty of speed then these guys are more in the dark than I thought. If anything, 4.46 was a somewhat disappointing time for Peppers.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^
No doubt, do these morons not watch game film??? The guy was sideline to sideline making plays.
except for that long third down against osu, scottyP can't forget.
It's hard to translate his LB footage to deep safety footage. Chase and tackle is much different skill set than read-and-react.
I think Peppers will be successful as a SS on the next level, but there's not a ton of film for people who want to rely heavily on that since he played out of position for UM.
Yes, it was a common criticism. I'm not saying it's correct, I'm just saying it was very commonly reported, and that was the hot take by scouts pre-combine.
See for example:
MLive with quotes from Mayock talking about exactly that
Steelers Depot preview with a Con as him in space/off coverage
Saturday Tradition quoting McShay on a podcast saying he's not as good in deep half
The reality is that it's hard to envision a guy who was not asked to do a lot deep half coverage and instead was playing a very different role as a deep safety. Again, not saying he can't do it, just that it is difficult for people to overcome because there's not a lot of evidence out there. I think he'll be a very good NFL player from everything I've seen, but I think the public scouts also get a bit of confirmation bias (he doesn't get interceptions, he struggles in backpadel, he's bad in coverage, etc.) when they watch him playing out of position.
While I understand the desire to want to have a higher 40-time, 4.45 would put him as the #13 40 time for a Safety at the combine from 2006-2017. (Link) I do not view it as disappointing.
I mean, he has 1st round talent; his problem is just he never played his NFL spot in college. UM used his talent to their maximal effect for what UM needed and wanted, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing for the NFL. I think there's some NFL talents that don't want that athleticisim to slip past them even if it means a little more coaching. We see that kind of thinking all the time in the NFL.
That said, Marcus Ray has some of the most uninformed takes in the UM radio sphere. It pains me to listen to him 95% of the time. Sometimes he comes through with some great X&O's breakdown, but then parlays that right back into hot take territory.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:41 AM ^
I mean, I think half the hot takes are purely for getting people mad and getting attention. Doesn't make it better. In my mind it actually makes it worse. I can laugh a guy who just doesn't know anything. I get angry with people who rile up the crowd and walk away like that jackass uncle at christmas.
Pretty much every mock draft and evaluation has him out of the first round with almost every national scout saying that just based on tape and not hype they would give Peppers a second or third round grade. Of course surprises happen but when almost every national analyst is saying one thing that thing is probably true. It doesn't look like Peppers is going to be a first round pick while fucking Hooker and Lattimore are both going to go in the top 10. Going to need some top 10 draft picks to compete with osu on the recruiting front soon.
Why? Peppers had more of an impact on his team than did either of those guys. I suppose he got invited to NY just on hype? Some guys are just football players and Peppers is one of them. He is going to be a starter on some defense for a long time.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
The NFL doesn't draft on heisman votes. There are concerns that Peppers doesn't have great hip fluidity to stay with slots in coverage and is slow to diagnose passing plays. He isn't big enough to be a LB in the NFL and doesn't have coverage tape to show he could play outside.
I'm just relaying what mock drafts and scouts are saying, I don't know enough about football scouting to asses if Peppers is slow to read passing plays on tape or seemingly doesn't have fluid hips. I know the Michigan defense was centered around him so his lack of stats in the passing game shouldn't be seen as an issue but beyond that I'm not claiming to be an expert scout.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
All i need to know is what my eyes tell me, and the impact Jabrill has on a football is not measured in stats and measurables. The guy is simply a football player. If he slides to the second round, whatever team gets him is getting a steal. I would take Jabrill over Lattimore or Hooker in a heartbeat. He just makes plays.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
But your statement was "Going to need some top 10 draft picks to compete with osu on the recruiting front soon."
And my point is that draft slotting does not matter for college team performance and for recruiting, I would think that a Heisman invite carries just as much weight as placing someone as a top 10 draft pick. i.e. We are not at a recruiting disadvantage because Peppers ended as a Heisman finalist and likely a lower first round selection.
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:15 AM ^
Yes that was conjecture that when we are going head to head with OSU for a recruit Urban's ability to point to 4 top 10 draft picks to our none over the last two years could be seen as a potential issue. It won't matter until its Harbaughs recruited guys but at that point it could matter to some recruits. One of Michigans pitches on the recruiting trail is that the NFL experience on the coaching staff and the system they run is good for getting kids in the NFL, mutliple recruits have talked about that aspect of the pitch in interviews. That pitch only works if your kids are getting drafted as highly as the people you are recruiting against.
I think that might be overstating how important where you're drafted in a round matters to kids. I mean, if a team is looking for a QB or an OT, they might draft at that position even if there are "better" players elsewhere. It's not a pure vacuum where the best player always gets drafted in a particular position. If you are Harbaugh and you can point to lots of guys getting drafted, I assume most kids won't bat an eye at #5 vs. #10, or even #8 and #28.
HOT TAKE - UM can't compete with OSU unless Harbaugh has Top 10 draft picks!!
Wow, glad that's settled... Makes that OT loss at the Shoe on some horrible officiating so much easier to take because I understand what happened, now.
Thanks, man!!!
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^
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March 22nd, 2017 at 12:36 PM ^
I mean, here are three I literally just found searching "NFL mock drafts" that list Peppers in the bottom part of the 1st round.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/22/nfl-mock-draft-first-round-picks-trade-rumors
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/peter-schragers-post-free-agency-2017-nfl-mock-draft-032117
Yes, Hooker and Lattimore are highly regarded; I also think a couple of those early selections are based on team need as much as overall talent. It's why you see guys like Kizer and Mahomes going really high.
Some scouts are down on him, other are high. It's almost like different people have different appraisals of talent.